ACLU files suit on Arizona law

[bodecea]

As New Mexico hands out driver's licenses without proof that a person is here in the country legally, they are not worth the laminate which encases them. Given the lack of controls, it's perfectly reasonable that states which do require proof of legal residency do not accept ID from states which do not.

So, you are saying that other state drivers' licenses will not be good enough evidence anymore?


I guess citizens had BETTER bring their birth certificates and/or passports to AZ after all.

 

[bodecea]

Nice to see the "conservatives" supporting National ID.

We do not need a national ID. If you live in a state that does not verify citizenship prior to issuing a state ID or Drivers license, you'd better be prepared to carry your passport when traveling through Arizona. What's so hard about that? If you live there legally, you already have ID that proves your citizenship. God forbid we make it inconvenient for illegal aliens......

Nothing is so hard about it. Except I think it may be against the law for the state of Arizona to demand proof of citizenship from me for driving through their state.

It won't be soon.

 

[bodecea]

i love people bashing the aclu as if they would be able to post freely on the internet without the aclu & eff fighting for them

hey Blu....question.....where was the ACLU when the 2nd Amendment was being dragged through the courts the last few years?

Um...the NRA is the advocate group for the 2nd Amendment...the ACLU is the advocate group for the 1st Amendment.

Why do I have to tell you everything....?

 

[bodecea]

Arizona's immigration law: ACLU, civil rights groups file lawsuit - latimes.com


The individual plaintiffs include a 70-year-old U.S. citizen of Spanish and Chinese descent, who says he's been stopped twice by Arizona police asking for "papers"; a Latino citizen studying at Arizona State University, whose New Mexico driver's license would not be accepted as proof of citizenship under the law; and a Jamaican immigrant, who fears police will not believe the photocopy of a judge's order that he be allowed to stay in the country, the only paperwork he has that gives him legal status here.

please ST don't be dumb, how can they sue over a law that has yet to be enacted?

All the time. In this country. Perhaps not on your planet.

 

[bodecea]

I urge Fred Phelps to begin disrupting the furnerals of ACLU members

I'm sure you would.

 

[bodecea]

What's the first thing an officer asks for when you're stopped for a traffic violation ? ...

Because you are driving. What's the first thing an officer asks a passenger?

Hate to break it to you but at a traffic stop an officer can and will ask passengers for ID. It is legal and it is accepted practice in all 50 States.

Sorry, but you will have to prove that passengers in a vehicle HAVE TO provide ID...

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Because you are driving. What's the first thing an officer asks a passenger?

Hate to break it to you but at a traffic stop an officer can and will ask passengers for ID. It is legal and it is accepted practice in all 50 States.

Sorry, but you will have to prove that passengers in a vehicle HAVE TO provide ID...

No one said passengers HAVE to comply with an officers request. What Sarge did say was it was within the officers right to ask passengers for ID. Reading comprehension is something you need to work on.

Can Law Enforcement question Passengers During a Traffic Stop

 

[bodecea]

Hate to break it to you but at a traffic stop an officer can and will ask passengers for ID. It is legal and it is accepted practice in all 50 States.

Sorry, but you will have to prove that passengers in a vehicle HAVE TO provide ID...

No one said passengers HAVE to comply with an officers request. What Sarge did say was it was within the officers right to ask passengers for ID. Reading comprehension is something you need to work on.

Can Law Enforcement question Passengers During a Traffic Stop

How very sad that they can do that.

 

[Truthmatters]

Under this law they can ask for papers of anyone they speak to.

You ask a person walking by if they saw anything to do with a crime they are investigating and boom they are asked for their papers.

That means wittnesses wont hang arround to be questioned because they are not carring their "papers' today and may spend time in the Immigration station if they hang arround.

Crime is going to be harder to solve and people get harrassed for looking brown.

Its a fucked up law period.

 

[Liability]

i love people bashing the aclu as if they would be able to post freely on the internet without the aclu & eff fighting for them

LOL!

That's right.

It is ONLY the ACLU that gives us the ability to speak freely.

That whole First Amendment thingie and the armed services who fought and died for us are a mere piffle.

It is ONLY the ACLU that has preserved our right to do that which is enshrined in our Constitution.

Sorry blu, but what a crock of stupid ass bullshit you just spewed.

The ACLU does occasionally serve to remind us of the importance of our First Amendment. They have done some good. But fighting to undermine a perfectly legitimate AZ law is not gonna make it to the list.

The ACLU leadership are fucking retards.

 

[Liability]

Under this law they can ask for papers of anyone they speak to.

You are full of shit. The law says NO such thing. The contrary in fact is true, you deliberately lying asshole.

Why do you profess in your username to be concerned about truth when you are so dedicated to being such a dishonest little whore?

 

[hboats]

Under this law they can ask for papers of anyone they speak to.

You ask a person walking by if they saw anything to do with a crime they are investigating and boom they are asked for their papers.

That means wittnesses wont hang arround to be questioned because they are not carring their "papers' today and may spend time in the Immigration station if they hang arround.

Crime is going to be harder to solve and people get harrassed for looking brown.

Its a fucked up law period.

That's a flat out lie. Just speaking to someone does not fall under "lawful contact."

You don't really have a clue what you're talking about.

Rick

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Sorry, but you will have to prove that passengers in a vehicle HAVE TO provide ID...

No one said passengers HAVE to comply with an officers request. What Sarge did say was it was within the officers right to ask passengers for ID. Reading comprehension is something you need to work on.

Can Law Enforcement question Passengers During a Traffic Stop

How very sad that they can do that.

Why is it sad? A "Guilford County's most wanted " suspect was apprehended in just that manner. I'd argue a lot of wanted criminals are apprehended in the same way.

GREENSBORO — A man featured in this week's edition of "Guilford County's Most Wanted" was arrested today.

Greensboro police said Ryan Matthew Locklear was inside a vehicle that officers pulled over at Spring Garden Street and Pomona Drive earlier Wednesday.

Locklear, 30, of 4600 Big Tree Way, was charged with assault on a female. He remains in the Guilford County jail without bond.

Police said the charges follow an assault of a woman at 3109 Utah Place on March 7.

Locklear is the 177th of 238 "Most Wanted" suspects to have been arrested or found or have turned themselves in. "Most Wanted" runs each Monday in the News & Record

Traffic stop yields 'Most Wanted' suspect : News-Record.com : Greensboro & the Triad's most trusted source for local news and analysis

A man featured on the television show "America's Most Wanted" in March was captured during a traffic stop south of Troy on Friday.

Terry Davis, a suspected serial burglar wanted for escape out of Citrus County, Fla., was featured on "America's Most Wanted" on March 13.

Man featured on 'America's Most Wanted' captured south of Troy | al.com

HOLYOKE, Mass. (WGGB) -- A man wanted for murder in Connecticut has been arrested Friday on firearms charges after city police officers made a traffic stop because they felt the windows of the vehicle, in which he had been a passenger, were too dark.

Connecticut murder suspect arrested in Holyoke traffic stop

MONTREAL – Police in Kingston, Ont., arrested fugitive Idir Benkhodja – on the lam since last June, and on Quebec’s 10-most-wanted list – in the early evening Tuesday, when police pulled over two men in a car in a routine traffic stop and ran an identity check.

Fugitive arrested during traffic stop

ROYAL OAK -- An uncooperative passenger in a car that police pulled over for making an improper turn Wednesday turned out to be one of the most wanted criminals in Tennessee.

Robert Lee Adams, 36, was arrested for interfering with a police after he gave a false name to police.

One of Tennessee's most wanted arrested in Royal Oak - Daily Tribune: Breaking news coverage for southeastern Oakland County, Michigan

There is literally thousands of examples I could produce, but I think you get the idea.

 

[boedicca]

Under this law they can ask for papers of anyone they speak to.

That is absolute BS. They can only ask for papers when dealing with a justifiable situation, i.e., a traffic stop for speeding. They cannot just walk randomly down a street and ask random people for ID.

 

[Gunny]

Arizona's immigration law: ACLU, civil rights groups file lawsuit - latimes.com


The individual plaintiffs include a 70-year-old U.S. citizen of Spanish and Chinese descent, who says he's been stopped twice by Arizona police asking for "papers"; a Latino citizen studying at Arizona State University, whose New Mexico driver's license would not be accepted as proof of citizenship under the law; and a Jamaican immigrant, who fears police will not believe the photocopy of a judge's order that he be allowed to stay in the country, the only paperwork he has that gives him legal status here.

What do you expect? The ACLU filing suit against the Federal government for not enforcing Federal law?

Oh .. you mean the ACLU is filing suit against the State of Arizona for a law that does what the Federal government won't .....

Leave it to the ACLU to file suit on behalf of criminals.

 

[boedicca]

Well, you gotta give the ACLU 10 Points For Consistency on this one.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

As New Mexico hands out driver's licenses without proof that a person is here in the country legally, they are not worth the laminate which encases them. Given the lack of controls, it's perfectly reasonable that states which do require proof of legal residency do not accept ID from states which do not.

So, you are saying that other state drivers' licenses will not be good enough evidence anymore?


I guess citizens had BETTER bring their birth certificates and/or passports to AZ after all.

That's right, because they are not profiling only Latinos.

 

[boedicca]

As New Mexico hands out driver's licenses without proof that a person is here in the country legally, they are not worth the laminate which encases them. Given the lack of controls, it's perfectly reasonable that states which do require proof of legal residency do not accept ID from states which do not.

So, you are saying that other state drivers' licenses will not be good enough evidence anymore?


I guess citizens had BETTER bring their birth certificates and/or passports to AZ after all.

The one's that don't require proof of Legal Residency are likely to be not honored. If a state doesn't protect the integrity of the documents it issues, they are debased just like counterfeit currency.

Blame those states (I think they number 13) for this - they have created this problem for their legal residents.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

Under this law they can ask for papers of anyone they speak to.

You are full of shit. The law says NO such thing. The contrary in fact is true, you deliberately lying asshole.

Why do you profess in your username to be concerned about truth when you are so dedicated to being such a dishonest little whore?

Couldn't have said it better myself. ~BH

 

[Gunny]

Under this law they can ask for papers of anyone they speak to.

You ask a person walking by if they saw anything to do with a crime they are investigating and boom they are asked for their papers.

That means wittnesses wont hang arround to be questioned because they are not carring their "papers' today and may spend time in the Immigration station if they hang arround.

Crime is going to be harder to solve and people get harrassed for looking brown.

Its a fucked up law period.

Get a clue, huh? "Papers"? You mean like firearm registration? You leftwingnut fuckwits need to get a clue ...

ILLEGAL (note the definition of the word) immigrants are criminals by their presence alone.

End of fucking story to your argument.