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A man that is involved in the life of his child even unborn SHOULD have a say on NOT aborting said baby.
women who believe that men should have no say in whether a woman get's an abortion but should be required to pay child support if she decided to keep the child against his wishes are clearly in favor of men being nothing more than sperm donors with wallets when convenient.
Why they hate men is anyone's guess.
zzzz, the SCOTUS is full and most Justices are young, so explain to me how electing a Republican President or Congress will affect Roe v Wade?
Ginsburg will be 80 when the new Pres takes office and 3 others are in the 70's. Yes Scalia and Kennedy are 74 so if one passes on Obama can tilt the court to the left. It all depends on the circumstances.
As to Congress, appointees must make be approved and with the highly charged atmosphere that may be difficult. If the Republicans take charge of the Senate and a liberal leaves the court and they see that keeping the seat vacant will play for them they will do it. How long would the American people stand aside and let the seat stay vacant? Depends on Obama's popularity.
But this is all supposition, the future has not been written yet and strange things have occurrred before.
OMG, zzzz, Ruth will be 80? I apologize; I really did think she was much younger. In that case, you could be correct, though an appointment in 2012 would not yield a revision of Roe v Wade for several more years, in all likelihood.
Man, that is amazing.....thankies for correcting me.
women who believe that men should have no say in whether a woman get's an abortion but should be required to pay child support if she decided to keep the child against his wishes are clearly in favor of men being nothing more than sperm donors with wallets when convenient.
Why they hate men is anyone's guess.
When the men willfully engages in intercourse he has obligated himself, at that point, to child support, should a child result.
A man that is involved in the life of his child even unborn SHOULD have a say on NOT aborting said baby.
How would that work?
The man says no abortion, the woman says abortion. It's a tie.
The man says abortion, the woman says no abortion. It's a tie.
If you make them equal participants in the decision, every time there's a disagreement, all you have is an unresolvable deadlock.
Not to mention, in order for the alleged father to be given any power of determination, he'd have to prove he's the father. How do you plan to do that?
How can it be murder to compel her to not commit murder?Dominic Holt-Reid, Man Who Tried to Force Girlfriend to Have an Abortion, Charged With Attempted Murder | Scene and Heard: Scene's News Blog
Now imagine if men could legally compel women to abort or not?
Better contraception is pretty much impossible.It takes one man and one woman to make a baby. Both really need to learn to use protection if they, as an individual, do not want a baby.
Better contraception would doubtless eliminate the need for 99% of US abortions. I agree with you on this -- especially the part about BOTH genders being equally responsible.
An separate organism is not part of her body...Ah, RGS, always the troglodite. Did you even bother to read the linked article? If a man is given "a say" and the couple disagrees, then what?
Time for gunplay? Kidnapping? False imprisonment?
False imprisonment is kidnapping, still you make a valid point, if one believes they would rather suffer death or kidnapping instead of having a beautiful bundle of love that person should be locked up for their own health as well as the fetuses health who most likely would vote no to abortion, at least while still in the womb.
I wonder if you were pro-abortion as a ten week old fetus.
That is a good question when did your position change, it is more than reasonable that before you were born you were pro-life, when did you change your mind.
This is a good point to begin the debate.
Five minutes after I knew that a chick in my freshman high school class suicided over being preggers and unable to face it. These fetuses you're so fond of (and yes, I love babies too) are sometimes female.
Should your daughter not own her own body? Should her boyfriend get to "rent" it for nine months against her will?
Better contraception is pretty much impossible.It takes one man and one woman to make a baby. Both really need to learn to use protection if they, as an individual, do not want a baby.
Better contraception would doubtless eliminate the need for 99% of US abortions. I agree with you on this -- especially the part about BOTH genders being equally responsible.
They .1% of the time that it fails -99% of it is because morons don't use it properly
mdn, you are likely funner than a bag of kittens to debate with, but IME no one ever EVA changes their mind on abortion, and if it's okay I wanted to just explore the narrower question of whether anyone thought it was reasonable for men to override a woman's decision as to her own body?mdn2000 wrote:
Oh, so your making a rational decision based on a tragedy of a friend who committed suicide. Suicide is a whole other issue.
I could see how a girl may commit suicide, it is a shame and tragedy people were not there to support her. I hope she had you at least, to tell her how wonderful and great children, are, at a young age friends are most important.
Maybe you could share some more details, I would be wrong to be to presumptive.
Thirteen, you support abortions in thirteen year olds, with or without parents permission.
As an aside: the pre-Roe v. Wade era contained many tragedies for women with unwanted pregnancies. Outlawing abortion does not end it (and likely does not drop the rate) but it does make life much more dangerous for women who are not rich.
An separate organism is not part of her body...False imprisonment is kidnapping, still you make a valid point, if one believes they would rather suffer death or kidnapping instead of having a beautiful bundle of love that person should be locked up for their own health as well as the fetuses health who most likely would vote no to abortion, at least while still in the womb.
I wonder if you were pro-abortion as a ten week old fetus.
That is a good question when did your position change, it is more than reasonable that before you were born you were pro-life, when did you change your mind.
This is a good point to begin the debate.
Five minutes after I knew that a chick in my freshman high school class suicided over being preggers and unable to face it. These fetuses you're so fond of (and yes, I love babies too) are sometimes female.
Should your daughter not own her own body? Should her boyfriend get to "rent" it for nine months against her will?
Better contraception is pretty much impossible.Better contraception would doubtless eliminate the need for 99% of US abortions. I agree with you on this -- especially the part about BOTH genders being equally responsible.
They .1% of the time that it fails -99% of it is because morons don't use it properly
Wait a minute, isn't one of the big abortion arguments that it isn't used mainly as a form of birth control? well how does that square with Maddie's claim?
If it's her decision, then should a man who makes it clear he wants nothing to do with it be forced to pay for the child for the next 18 years?The fact of the matter is that both men and women are equally responsible for conception.Uh, men are the cause, I am told.
Close your legs
However, for gestation, the woman is solely responsible. Her body, her choice.
Better contraception is pretty much impossible.
They .1% of the time that it fails -99% of it is because morons don't use it properly
Wait a minute, isn't one of the big abortion arguments that it isn't used mainly as a form of birth control? well how does that square with Maddie's claim?
How many of them didn't use contraception [properly] in the first place?
Condoms, the pill, the foam, the rods, female condoms... so many options to choose from and so many of them free from liberal feminist groups and Planned Parenthood...
What ever is a young slut to do?
A man that is involved in the life of his child even unborn SHOULD have a say on NOT aborting said baby.
How would that work?
The man says no abortion, the woman says abortion. It's a tie.
The man says abortion, the woman says no abortion. It's a tie.
If you make them equal participants in the decision, every time there's a disagreement, all you have is an unresolvable deadlock.
Not to mention, in order for the alleged father to be given any power of determination, he'd have to prove he's the father. How do you plan to do that?
a paternity test maybe ?
no--I'm chatting with the women who wish they could fuck like men without getting pregnant. Girls just wanna have fun. There is no legal sex in our country unless the woman consents. That is where their choice is.
Well, you mentioned "a mere 9 months" during which women are "forced to pay for their decision."
Are you saying that after 9 months women are NOT forced to pay?
correct--they can give the child up for adoption
Scientists invent first male contraceptive pill - TelegraphOpt out of what? Parental rights and responsibility once the child is born, or the child being born at all?
Doesn't matter.
A woman can abort a child without the consent of the father. A woman can have a child and abandon it under the protection of safe haven laws without ever notifying the father that the child was born. There are many ways a woman can get out of the responsibility of raising a child but a man has none.
I can think of one, Skull Pilot.
Wait, make that two.....
No, three......
But I will agree lives will be improved when men can control their fertility via a pill, as women can.
I love how a woman can go on Maury 6 times with 37 men and demand one of the guys who was part of a train at a party one night give her money for the next 18 years...
Go, neofeminism...
