Abortion Stopped In Utah

[jgbkab]

I've heard of religions that either do or used to sacrifice children but I don't see and (any) baby killing (after the baby is fully born) in this country's future.

You admit we're killing them before they're fully born. Doesn't that bother you as a human being?

I don't agree with it but I cannot have an abortion so it's not my call.

It's your duty as a human being to speak out. Who will speak for the babies except you? Don't be like the German citizens while their Nazi government was killing the Jews.

Yes, it bothers me but I have to choose my battles. And one battle that I will fight for is for the children that are already here. We, as Americans, need to do better by them now. Quality health care and education are priorities in my opinion.

 

[jillian]

It's your duty as a human being to speak out. Who will speak for the babies except you? Don't be like the German citizens while their Nazi government was killing the Jews.

how can you compare a fully formed human life with a zygote just because that's what your religion dictates? other people's beliefs don't conform to yours.

maybe you should stick to making decisions for yourself and not for others?

 

[Agnapostate]

Ah, and little Jilly steps in to assert her role as the opposing ideologue. How cute.

Never mind that this clownish back-and-forth is one of the most unoriginal and least innovative exchanges in political dialogue; this time someone's going to step up for a woman's "right to choose." But don't worry! We'll have plenty of people still available to protect the "innocent babies."

 

[Cecilie1200]

Sad that the girl thought she had no other options than to ask for a beating 6 months in. If she had appropriate medical care she would've been advised of her options around the 6 week mark.

Oh, you have GOT to be kidding. What, you think she just flew in from Mars? Do you REALLY think you're going to shoehorn your favorite talking point into this by trying to pretend that ANY teenaged girl in the United States is unaware of medical abortions and how to get one? Christ, my 13-year-old SON knows that, just from watching TV. Sell that shit to people who are as gullible as you are.

 

[Agnapostate]

Oh, you have GOT to be kidding. What, you think she just flew in from Mars? Do you REALLY think you're going to shoehorn your favorite talking point into this by trying to pretend that ANY teenaged girl in the United States is unaware of medical abortions and how to get one? Christ, my 13-year-old SON knows that, just from watching TV. Sell that shit to people who are as gullible as you are.

Why bother with that, dear? The reality that Utah requires notification of both parents for a minor's abortion served as a far more effective deterrent for this young woman.

Or am I still on your ignore list?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Sad that the girl thought she had no other options than to ask for a beating 6 months in. If she had appropriate medical care she would've been advised of her options around the 6 week mark.

You might be right, but...

.... she was obviously pretty fucked-up in the head to do something idiotic like that...

Exactly. She's too fucked up to become a mother, so guess who's going to foot the bill for the new kid once it arrives? Me and You.

Just a minute ago, you were bemoaning "lack of proper medical care". NOW you're bitching about having to foot the bill for the kid. Why is it that liberals only become penurious when it involves doing something morally correct, and spend like drunken sailors on shore leave anytime it's immoral and completely useless?

Hey, I know. You're so in favor of this kid dying so that you don't have to pay for him. So how's about we take those apocryphal "45 million without health insurance" you people are always kvetching about out and shoot them? That fits right into this repulsive, vile "fiscal conservation" you're touting.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The message of the pro-abortion movement is that there is nothing wrong with killing an unborn baby, anytime, anywhere, for any reason.

The message from the anti-abortion crowd is we want you to have unwanted kids, because there aren't enough of them on the planet already.....

The message from the anti-abortion crowd (I find it interesting, by the way, that you insist on replacing "pro-life" with "anti-abortion", as though that should be as offensive to us as replacing "pro-choice" with "pro-abortion" is to you) is that people should take responsibility for their actions.

Apparently, the message from the pro-abortion crowd (Why do you suppose it is that a restatement of your position is an insult, but a restatement of mine isn't, even when it's intended to be?) is that we want you to kill babies rather than giving up fucking like crazed monkeys.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes, again, because the already living don't want the inconvenience.

you'll get no argument from me. Also, most righties don't like abortion because of their warped Christian reasonings...

When you're not arguing in favor of killing babies, you can call other people warped without being laughed at . . . maybe.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I think it's more in line with Nazi policy for men to be telling women what to do with their own bodies.

You still refuse to recognize it's not just the woman's body but also the baby's body.

I guess our discussion will terminate here. Have a good day.

Adults have far more rights than children, so it stands to reason that an adult woman has significantly more rights than a couple cells.

ROFL...

This HAS to be some sort of scam... Meaning that this member MUST BE enacting some caricature of what she thinks the most pathetic advocates of infantide as a means of birthcontrol...

"Adults have far more rights than children, so it stands to reason that an adult woman has significantly more rights than a couple cells."

ROFLMNAO... OH GOD! That is HYSTERICAL!

I refuse to accept that ANYONE is THAT ignorant of the immutable principles of nature... or that self absorbed that they would even WANT to believe that THEIR life is somehow worth more, or that they have 'more rights' than the child she conceived through her willful decision to engage in sexual intercourse.

No way... GOTTA BE A SCAM.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The pro-abortion people are the ones who help kids like these feel what they did is o.k.

Well, they sure as hell didn't get this mindset from pro-lifers. Yet Dr. Grump says that WE are the warped ones.

 

[Cecilie1200]

He's not extending a hand to anyone. He just wants you to show up and agree with him.

Don't flatter yourself He doesn't need Republicans for anything, and believe me when I tell you Republicans would just as soon have his fingerprints and his fingerprints only on the disaster he wants to bring on us.

But, to stay on topic, it's the height of bullshit to say you don't like abortion but want it available anytime, anywhere, for any reason.

Not bullshit. That's what adults do. There are things we don't like, but it doesn't mean we have to force our beliefs on others. We respect that other people are autonomous and as such have the right to make their own decisions. Bible beaters on the other hand talk about big game about personal responsibility and individual rights, but they're really full of shit.

Oh, yeah. Pro-abortion people NEVER force their beliefs on others . . . you know, aside from the judicial fiat that forced abortion into legality over the expressed wishes of most of the country, that is. But, you know, after that, they became ALL about keeping their fat mouths shut about their beliefs and respecting other people's . . .

 

[Cecilie1200]

He's not extending a hand to anyone. He just wants you to show up and agree with him.

Don't flatter yourself He doesn't need Republicans for anything, and believe me when I tell you Republicans would just as soon have his fingerprints and his fingerprints only on the disaster he wants to bring on us.

But, to stay on topic, it's the height of bullshit to say you don't like abortion but want it available anytime, anywhere, for any reason.

Not bullshit. That's what adults do. There are things we don't like, but it doesn't mean we have to force our beliefs on others. We respect that other people are autonomous and as such have the right to make their own decisions. Bible beaters on the other hand talk about big game about personal responsibility and individual rights, but they're really full of shit.

There are a lot of beliefs you extend on others, or else you have a lawless society.

Not to mention that the people who champion legalized abortion are usually the same people supporting things like PC speech codes, hate crime laws, radical environmentalism, big government control of every frigging thing . . . Yeah, they aren't about forcing THEIR beliefs on ANYONE.

 

[KittenKoder]

Not bullshit. That's what adults do. There are things we don't like, but it doesn't mean we have to force our beliefs on others. We respect that other people are autonomous and as such have the right to make their own decisions. Bible beaters on the other hand talk about big game about personal responsibility and individual rights, but they're really full of shit.

There are a lot of beliefs you extend on others, or else you have a lawless society.

Not to mention that the people who champion legalized abortion are usually the same people supporting things like PC speech codes, hate crime laws, radical environmentalism, big government control of every frigging thing . . . Yeah, they aren't about forcing THEIR beliefs on ANYONE.

Really ... you like generalizations a bit much.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, it's history. Even the early liberals were, for the most part, spiritual. The civil rights movement owes its ascendance to churches.

America is no less spiritual, just more religions are now appearing. That's why it's a conspiracy nut issue, you seem to think that because more people are choosing other religions there is some huge conspiracy to bring down your beliefs. Well, guess what, the other religions just really don't care what people believe. Civil Rights movement (including gay rights) is not a religious thing, it's about liberty and freedom ... again.

Martin Luther King was a man of God, and he was not an advocate of mosexuality, as most black men of God are not.

Father James Groppi was a Catholic priest who fought for fair housing. Do you know who he is? I met him.

And even as far back as the antebellum abolitionist movement, it was the churches and Christians who spearheaded the drive in the US and in the British Empire against slavery. It was their belief that slavery went against everything Christian people should stand for that led to the general public eventually coming to believe it was evil.

 

[Agnapostate]

Oh, yeah. Pro-abortion people NEVER force their beliefs on others . . . you know, aside from the judicial fiat that forced abortion into legality over the expressed wishes of most of the country, that is. But, you know, after that, they became ALL about keeping their fat mouths shut about their beliefs and respecting other people's . . .

That's a poor example. Reliance on majoritarian approval of abortion rights effectively constitutes tyranny of the majority, considering that the criminalization of abortion brings about a greater imposition upon women who cannot obtain abortions than the legalization of abortion does upon the majority who oppose their legality.

Not to mention that the people who champion legalized abortion are usually the same people supporting things like PC speech codes, hate crime laws, radical environmentalism, big government control of every frigging thing . . . Yeah, they aren't about forcing THEIR beliefs on ANYONE.

Is that so? I support legalized abortion and oppose everything else you've mentioned. It's unfortunate when some choose to deal with misinformed stereotypes instead of reality, isn't it?

 

[Agnapostate]

And even as far back as the antebellum abolitionist movement, it was the churches and Christians who spearheaded the drive in the US and in the British Empire against slavery. It was their belief that slavery went against everything Christian people should stand for that led to the general public eventually coming to believe it was evil.

It's not surprising to see the same fallacy of distribution coming from you. Not only were the abolitionists Christian merely as a virtue of the fact that everyone was a Christian back then, the pro-slavery crowd had a greater theological basis for their beliefs than the abolitionists, considering the numerous endorsements of slavery in the Bible.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You seem to be very passionate with this discussion. But you should take on individual posters one by one as to not confuse us. Not all liberals agree with abortion and some liberals are religious. As far as comfort rooms, they may have them for pets...I have no idea.

No, they don't. When a pet is put to sleep, they put him on the examining room table, have an assistant hold him down, shoot drugs into his vein, and he's dead in less than a minute. After the owner has been escorted out, he's bundled up in a plastic trash bag and put in a freezer for storage until the delivery truck that takes them away makes its weekly stop and takes them to the landfill.

 

[KittenKoder]

I love how this issue has been so over simplified.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Read the article. I posted a link and the text above.

Why not let them die in soiled linen?

Because if they put them in a linen closet, they get in the way of the nurses and force them to think about the morality of what they're doing. If they give them a "comfort room", they can continue to fool themselves that they're not lousy, repugnant excuses for human beings.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Aah, but if the woman dies because of it, then it will die as well regardless.

Not regardless, many a baby has lived as the mom dies.

Many, huh? And you're going to give specifics now, right? How many, what circumstances, etc. ?

Thanks.