Zone1 Abortion Policy Poll

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If you say so, that is a matter of individual belief.

No, it is a scientific reality. Do I really need to post a litany of quotes to back up this claim?

 

[dblack]

No, it is a scientific reality. Do I really need to post a litany of quotes to back up this claim?

God no.

 

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God no.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Yup. And if the doctor says, "folks, there's something wrong we need to do a late term abortion" that should be perfectly legal and the government needs to stay out of the doctors office.

No one walks in to an abortion clinic 7 months pregnant and says I changed my mind.

Are you kidding? Women have carried all nine months, given birth and put the kid in a garbage bag in the dumpster.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

But what about seriously deformed fetuses like Spina Bifida, Brittle Bone Disease, Down Syndrome, Tay-Sachs Syndrome, etc.

Do you force women to give birth to these babies who will require lifetime care, suffer debilitating diseases, and will bankrupt their parents in the only advanced country that doesn't have health care as a right?

Spina bifida is now easily correctable by surgery. Yes surgery in the womb. When was the last time you heard of a child born with spina bifida? Downs Syndrome isn't the catastrophe it once was. Two top models have Downs and several actors.

 

[DudleySmith]

Slavery involves the rights of only one person. Abortion, the competing rights of two. What is similar is that they both involve a fundamental right to body autonomy.

And for the most part pregnancy is 100% avoidable, and the choices to have sex is voluntary, so women are indeed making a choice, and hence the babies have a right to live.

 

[JoeB131]

Spina bifida is now easily correctable by surgery. Yes surgery in the womb. When was the last time you heard of a child born with spina bifida? Downs Syndrome isn't the catastrophe it once was. Two top models have Downs and several actors.

We don't hear about kids being born with Spina Bifida because they are all aborted.
As for Downs, yes, there are some higher functioning ones. I worked with one that the boss hired because he could pay him minimum wage. (He was totally useless unless you kept on him constantly.)

 

[martybegan]

With genetic screening, the whole of humanity is heading towards that. For instance, we can now prevent cystic fibrosis and tay-saches by genetic screening.

Not "prevent", eliminate.

People with CF can live for decades.

 

[JoeB131]

Not "prevent", eliminate.

People with CF can live for decades.

Or we can eliminate the disease completely through genetic screening.

Heck, there might be a time, sometime soon, where all babies are genetically grown to be disease free, and inserted IVF.

But for now, we just need to abort the rejects.

 

[martybegan]

Or we can eliminate the disease completely through genetic screening.

Heck, there might be a time, sometime soon, where all babies are genetically grown to be disease free, and inserted IVF.

But for now, we just need to abort the rejects.

You don't treat the disease, you kill the life with it.

Terrible.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't treat the disease, you kill the life with it.

Terrible.

Fetuses aren't people.

 

[martybegan]

Fetuses aren't people.

They are lives. You can use semantics to ignore you are killing something all you want. It doesn't change that a human fetus is human, is a life, and is a unique organism.

Not a parasite, not a lump of cells, not all the other things people like you use to justify your positions.

 

[JoeB131]

They are lives. You can use semantics to ignore you are killing something all you want. It doesn't change that a human fetus is human, is a life, and is a unique organism.

Not a parasite, not a lump of cells, not all the other things people like you use to justify your positions.

Not viable, so not a person.

Most zygotes never become a person between failing to attach the uterine wall, miscarriages and thankfully legal abortions.

Not people.

Just like IVF popsicles in Alabama aren't people as much as you religious crazies want them to be.

 

[martybegan]

Not viable, so not a person.

Most zygotes never become a person between failing to attach the uterine wall, miscarriages and thankfully legal abortions.

Not people.

Just like IVF popsicles in Alabama aren't people as much as you religious crazies want them to be.

You are fixated on personhood, and ignore that it is a life.

natural processes and processes of man are two different things.

You can Take Joe to Zone 1, but you can't take the Badlands out of Joe.

 

[sealybobo]

Are you kidding? Women have carried all nine months, given birth and put the kid in a garbage bag in the dumpster.

Well that's not an abortion is it? An abortion has a doctor involved. At an abortion clinic. So I'm still right.

 

[JoeB131]

You are fixated on personhood, and ignore that it is a life.

natural processes and processes of man are two different things.

You can Take Joe to Zone 1, but you can't take the Badlands out of Joe.

Fixated on reality, a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant will find a way to not be pregnant.
Not sure how you describe someone who wants to declare popsicles as people as anything other than a religious crazy.

 

[martybegan]

Fixated on reality, a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant will find a way to not be pregnant.
Not sure how you describe someone who wants to declare popsicles as people as anything other than a religious crazy.

A murder who wants to kill will find a way to kill. That line of logic doesn't float.

 

[sealybobo]

A murder who wants to kill will find a way to kill. That line of logic doesn't float.

Abortion isn't murder unless you are a religious nut.

62% of U.S. adults said the practice should be legal in all or most cases, while 36% said it should be illegal in all or most cases.

Nearly one in four women in the United States (23.7%) will have an abortion by age 45

And a lot of them are Republican hypocrites. Or their daughters.

 

[JoeB131]

A murder who wants to kill will find a way to kill. That line of logic doesn't float.

Okay, let's look a that.

First, a murderer would be caught, arrested, tried and prosecuted.

A woman who chooses abortion would probably never be caught, especially in early stages with RU-486.
If she were, the cops wouldn't arrest her, their relationship with the public is bad enough as it is.
No prosecutor in his right mind would put a woman on trial for having an abortion.
And no jury would ever convict. If you put me on a jury, I'll vote to acquit I don't care if you have tape of the provider tossing little globby across the room into the medical waste container and yelling, "THREE POINTS".

 

[JoeB131]

Abortion isn't murder unless you are a religious nut.

62% of U.S. adults said the practice should be legal in all or most cases, while 36% said it should be illegal in all or most cases.

Nearly one in four women in the United States (23.7%) will have an abortion by age 45

And a lot of them are Republican hypocrites. Or their daughters.

Shh... marty gets very upset when you call him a religious nut.