Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature currently requires accessing the site using the built-in Safari browser.
Abortion is for people who aren't limited by an intellectual straight-jacket of random morality. It's just another human, there are 6 billion+ already and we're heading for 9 billion+ by mid-century. You folks have your heads screwed on wrong, save every last person but who cares how many other species go extinct? Time to get of the human ego trip of being such superior beings. We're a real danger to all the other species out there.
Don't start with us, Eugenics Boy. YOU are "just another human" out of 6 billion+, and you of all people do NOT want to start encouraging anyone to think in terms of "let's do away with the surplus", if you catch my drift.
Immie, if you cared so much about other species, you wouldn't eat them (no, I'm not in PETA but do support pretty much everything they do). By eating them, you force them to endure a grotesque life before being killed early on.
So you're bent out of shape that humans are terminated (of which there is a plentiful and growing supply), but largely unaffected by the fate of other species who are completely either abused or endangered or about to be extinct.
When was the last time you ate a McDonald's? Because you'd be supporting the destruction of the Amazon rain forest so they can raise cattle.
How about shrimp? Because then you'd be supporting either wanton marine destruction with the nets to gather them up, or you're supporting factory farming of them (it's unhealthy) in Thailand or China.
...
wow! looks like Pro CHoice til a certain point is winning by far. Who would of thunk it?
Abortion is for people who aren't limited by an intellectual straight-jacket of random morality. It's just another human, there are 6 billion+ already and we're heading for 9 billion+ by mid-century. You folks have your heads screwed on wrong, save every last person but who cares how many other species go extinct? Time to get of the human ego trip of being such superior beings. We're a real danger to all the other species out there.
Don't start with us, Eugenics Boy. YOU are "just another human" out of 6 billion+, and you of all people do NOT want to start encouraging anyone to think in terms of "let's do away with the surplus", if you catch my drift.
Where did I say that I wanted to do away with the surplus?
Immie, if you cared so much about other species, you wouldn't eat them (no, I'm not in PETA but do support pretty much everything they do). By eating them, you force them to endure a grotesque life before being killed early on.
So you're bent out of shape that humans are terminated (of which there is a plentiful and growing supply), but largely unaffected by the fate of other species who are completely either abused or endangered or about to be extinct.
When was the last time you ate a McDonald's? Because you'd be supporting the destruction of the Amazon rain forest so they can raise cattle.
How about shrimp? Because then you'd be supporting either wanton marine destruction with the nets to gather them up, or you're supporting factory farming of them (it's unhealthy) in Thailand or China.
...
giving the fact that is not the choice I am refering to I would say you are the stupid one.wow! looks like Pro CHoice til a certain point is winning by far. Who would of thunk it?
Anyone who can interpret English, rather than simply battening on the poll creator's misleading use of the word "pro-choice" in most of the selections.
Figures YOU would be stupid enough to view something like "pro-choice until conception" as being "pro-choice".
I'm sorry, but where did you get the idea that doctors have the legal right to hide medical information about you from you? HIPAA law gives the patient the legal right to demand instant access to any and all medical information pertaining to him/her, and a failure to provide information and instruction pertinent to making medical decisions constitutes medical malpractice.
Actually when you go to Planned Parenthood they are required to give you an ultrasound before the abortion. They keep the screen turned and keep ear pieces in to hear heart beats. They need to know if they are going in for one or multipul babies. They are NOT required to show you and don't even ask if you would like to see. Angel Heart is dead on with the current practice in abortion clinics. If they forced the mother to see the fetus I'd bet dollar to cents you would have less abortions. Since abortion clinics make money off of the abortions though they keep it as impersonal as possible and as in and out as possible. I don't think they should force someone to see the ultrasound though, because if they really don't want the baby and only get guilted into keeping it, don't make that choice themselves, what kind of mother would they be? Don't just think about getting that life into existence but think about what kind of family you would be forcing that child to have.
While Planned Parenthood is probably not required to place the ultrasound so that you can see it or to ask you if you wish to see it (because Planned Parenthood gets away with a lot of things regular outpatient medical clinics cannot), I'd say you could probably make a good legal case under HIPAA law for demanding that they share the ultrasound information with you. I don't think they can legally refuse to give you information if you request it, since no other medical practitioner can, and if they can, I'll bet it would make an interesting legal case.
I don't see any particular reason why women going to Planned Parenthood should necessarily be exempted from the overload of information everyone else is subjected to when they go to the doctor, although I've always believed that every patient should be given the option of stipulating in writing that they waive it. I would certainly have preferred to do so when my doctors felt compelled to share with me in excruciating detail all of the possible genetic defects my son, Quinn, might have . . . right before telling me that it would take two weeks for the genetic test results to come back. I could have done without the two weeks of nailbiting brought on by TMI.
But if every other patient is forced to hear more info than they want because they're legally entitled to a fully informed medical decision, then women getting abortions ought to get the exact same treatment.
giving the fact that is not the choice I am refering to I would say you are the stupid one.wow! looks like Pro CHoice til a certain point is winning by far. Who would of thunk it?
Anyone who can interpret English, rather than simply battening on the poll creator's misleading use of the word "pro-choice" in most of the selections.
Figures YOU would be stupid enough to view something like "pro-choice until conception" as being "pro-choice".
Why don't you check on his second option moron. " pro choice until a certain point of developement"
There is a clue for ya!
giving the fact that is not the choice I am refering to I would say you are the stupid one.Anyone who can interpret English, rather than simply battening on the poll creator's misleading use of the word "pro-choice" in most of the selections.
Figures YOU would be stupid enough to view something like "pro-choice until conception" as being "pro-choice".
Why don't you check on his second option moron. " pro choice until a certain point of developement"
There is a clue for ya!
Which is far from the "pro-choice" you and your ilk would like to consider it, and we both know it. Don't think for a second that anyone with a brain larger than a pea (translated: anyone who isn't you) doesn't see you frauds running around claiming that people who actually favor severe restrictions on abortion that you would NEVER agree to or accept are "pro-choice" so that you can disingenuously include their numbers into support for unlimited abortion. I could just as easily - and a hell of a lot more honestly - claim them for the side of "abortion is horrible, and should be virtually nonexistent".
So stuff THAT "clue" in your crack pipe and smoke it.
If you're for choice, do it, if you're against abortion then don't do it. It's pretty simple really. Personally I couldn't give a crap what other people do, and would expect others to respect my right to do what I want.
Plus you're all hypocrites anyways, trying to save humans while eating through the whole animal kingdom
Where did I state that I am for unlimited abortion? Where did I state my opinion on abortion in this thread at all?giving the fact that is not the choice I am refering to I would say you are the stupid one.Anyone who can interpret English, rather than simply battening on the poll creator's misleading use of the word "pro-choice" in most of the selections.
Figures YOU would be stupid enough to view something like "pro-choice until conception" as being "pro-choice".
Why don't you check on his second option moron. " pro choice until a certain point of developement"
There is a clue for ya!
Which is far from the "pro-choice" you and your ilk would like to consider it, and we both know it. Don't think for a second that anyone with a brain larger than a pea (translated: anyone who isn't you) doesn't see you frauds running around claiming that people who actually favor severe restrictions on abortion that you would NEVER agree to or accept are "pro-choice" so that you can disingenuously include their numbers into support for unlimited abortion. I could just as easily - and a hell of a lot more honestly - claim them for the side of "abortion is horrible, and should be virtually nonexistent".
So stuff THAT "clue" in your crack pipe and smoke it.
they also ask you at planned parenthood if you would like to see the ultrasound or not. ANd if you ask them if you can of course they are going to let you, for one they have to.Actually when you go to Planned Parenthood they are required to give you an ultrasound before the abortion. They keep the screen turned and keep ear pieces in to hear heart beats. They need to know if they are going in for one or multipul babies. They are NOT required to show you and don't even ask if you would like to see. Angel Heart is dead on with the current practice in abortion clinics. If they forced the mother to see the fetus I'd bet dollar to cents you would have less abortions. Since abortion clinics make money off of the abortions though they keep it as impersonal as possible and as in and out as possible. I don't think they should force someone to see the ultrasound though, because if they really don't want the baby and only get guilted into keeping it, don't make that choice themselves, what kind of mother would they be? Don't just think about getting that life into existence but think about what kind of family you would be forcing that child to have.
While Planned Parenthood is probably not required to place the ultrasound so that you can see it or to ask you if you wish to see it (because Planned Parenthood gets away with a lot of things regular outpatient medical clinics cannot), I'd say you could probably make a good legal case under HIPAA law for demanding that they share the ultrasound information with you. I don't think they can legally refuse to give you information if you request it, since no other medical practitioner can, and if they can, I'll bet it would make an interesting legal case.
I don't see any particular reason why women going to Planned Parenthood should necessarily be exempted from the overload of information everyone else is subjected to when they go to the doctor, although I've always believed that every patient should be given the option of stipulating in writing that they waive it. I would certainly have preferred to do so when my doctors felt compelled to share with me in excruciating detail all of the possible genetic defects my son, Quinn, might have . . . right before telling me that it would take two weeks for the genetic test results to come back. I could have done without the two weeks of nailbiting brought on by TMI.
But if every other patient is forced to hear more info than they want because they're legally entitled to a fully informed medical decision, then women getting abortions ought to get the exact same treatment.
Planned parenthood only performs a little over 200,000 abortions a year while there are over a million abortions done a year, if we are to believe what is being reported as statistics....
So, knowing this, I guess one would have to presume the rest are done in their personal gyno's office, right? Or are there private clinics, outside of Planned parenthood that perform abortions?
Well, if it is the doctor's office, I am certain they would show you the ultrasound in a nano second and hope it changes your mind, because just on MONEY BASIS, a pregnant patient is much more lucrative than a patient with a one money grab abortion....
I find it remarkable that anyone who claims a fetus or and embryo has a right to life would deny that right to some just because they resulted from a rape.
How is that the fault of the fetus or embryo?
I find it remarkable that anyone who claims a fetus or and embryo has a right to life would deny that right to some just because they resulted from a rape.
How is that the fault of the fetus or embryo?
by stating you are only for abortion if it endangers the mother you are stating the rights of the mother are more important than the unborn child. And by your standards would still be denying the child of it's rights.I find it remarkable that anyone who claims a fetus or and embryo has a right to life would deny that right to some just because they resulted from a rape.
How is that the fault of the fetus or embryo?
If you are addressing me, then for the record, the only circumstances I would agree with abortion is if there is any danger to the mother. Anything else is an extremely difficult decision when the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest that should not be arbitrated in any court of law.
But for that matter, I don't believe abortion should have to regulated by an established precedent in the Constitution. We don't own our children so property rights should not have been asserted in protecting a woman's right to choose. And as far as right to privacy, that in itself does not cover the rights, any expressed rights of that unborn human being.
Abortion constitutionally devalues the value of human life no matter how it's applied under whatever circumstances. It should never have become an expressed right because it challenges a human being's right of procreation, but only if it is desires, which actually undermines the integrity of procreation and the inherent rights of that child.
Anne Marie
Abortion bans devalue the value of female life.Abortion constitutionally devalues the value of human life no matter how it's applied under whatever circumstances. It should never have become an expressed right because it challenges a human being's right of procreation, but only if it is desires, which actually undermines the integrity of procreation and the inherent rights of that child.
Anne Marie