Abortion, expanded

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by JBeukema, Jul 28, 2009.

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Abortion

  1. Pro-Choice til conception

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  2. Pro-choice tli a given point of development

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  3. Pro-Choice, but oppose abortion for sex selection

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  4. Anti-abortion, always

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  5. Abortion only for medical emergencies

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  6. Abortion for medical emergencies and extreme defect/disease only

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  7. other

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  1. JBeukema
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    As a mother it is impossible for me to ever think of a situation in which I would personally choose abortion. Honestly I thought of having an abortion with my son. I was in the clinic, waiting for my turn, I got as far as the ultrasound and I lost it. I ran to the phone and called my boyfriend in tears, I just couldn't do it no matter how unready I felt I was to take care of a child I couldn't do it.

    That aside I would never rally against the ability of another woman to make that choice for herself. It is not my place to really say whether abortion should or should not be allowed, but I can't fathom anything more self serving than aborting a child based on sex, then choosing the hair color or eye color of your child. It is one thing if you are a certain race and want a child that is of the same race, but if you want to choose to have a boy or a girl then adopt. If you want a child that has blue eyes and blonde hair or brown eyes and dark hair go to an orphanage or to your local child welfare services and pick your child that way. Don't create a life then refuse it because its not quite what you want. It would be like trying to snuff out a kid because he didn't learn to speak quickly or she didn't score as high on her SATs as you might like.
     
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    Broken, What would you of done had they not shown you the ultrasound? They are not required to show you it. I feel they should be. The woman should make the choice with all of the info in front of her.
     
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    They didn't show me the ultrasound. It is just standard for them to do it. For some reason it just became very VERY real to me in that moment. I thought of all the other options I had if I really couldn't handle raising a child. I could put it up for adoption, my boyfriend said he was perfectly willing to take on the child himself if I didn't feel I could be part of the equation, I could even leave the child at a local firestation or hospital and just walk away if I really wanted to.

    It was something about sitting there and realizing I was about to deny my child the ability to laugh, smile, grow... In light of other options I couldn't bring myself to do it. If I had I think I would have regretted it the rest of my life. Again though, that is just me, everyone has to make that choice for themselves in my opinion.
     
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    Pro-choice until conception, however, I am willing to make exception for the extreme emergency type case. I am even willing to consider that the rape of a young girl might fit into the extreme cases.

    That being said, I realize I have little to no say in the matter except for in promoting right over wrong.

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    I'm sorry, but where did you get the idea that doctors have the legal right to hide medical information about you from you? HIPAA law gives the patient the legal right to demand instant access to any and all medical information pertaining to him/her, and a failure to provide information and instruction pertinent to making medical decisions constitutes medical malpractice.
     
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    Actually when you go to Planned Parenthood they are required to give you an ultrasound before the abortion. They keep the screen turned and keep ear pieces in to hear heart beats. They need to know if they are going in for one or multipul babies. They are NOT required to show you and don't even ask if you would like to see. Angel Heart is dead on with the current practice in abortion clinics. If they forced the mother to see the fetus I'd bet dollar to cents you would have less abortions. Since abortion clinics make money off of the abortions though they keep it as impersonal as possible and as in and out as possible. I don't think they should force someone to see the ultrasound though, because if they really don't want the baby and only get guilted into keeping it, don't make that choice themselves, what kind of mother would they be? Don't just think about getting that life into existence but think about what kind of family you would be forcing that child to have.
     
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    While Planned Parenthood is probably not required to place the ultrasound so that you can see it or to ask you if you wish to see it (because Planned Parenthood gets away with a lot of things regular outpatient medical clinics cannot), I'd say you could probably make a good legal case under HIPAA law for demanding that they share the ultrasound information with you. I don't think they can legally refuse to give you information if you request it, since no other medical practitioner can, and if they can, I'll bet it would make an interesting legal case.

    I don't see any particular reason why women going to Planned Parenthood should necessarily be exempted from the overload of information everyone else is subjected to when they go to the doctor, although I've always believed that every patient should be given the option of stipulating in writing that they waive it. I would certainly have preferred to do so when my doctors felt compelled to share with me in excruciating detail all of the possible genetic defects my son, Quinn, might have . . . right before telling me that it would take two weeks for the genetic test results to come back. I could have done without the two weeks of nailbiting brought on by TMI.

    But if every other patient is forced to hear more info than they want because they're legally entitled to a fully informed medical decision, then women getting abortions ought to get the exact same treatment.
     
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    I believe in retro-active abortion. People like Charles Manson are perfect candidates.
     
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