The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
We will actually throw the earth off of its axis, and not one living thing will survive on this earth .
Don't be ridiculous.
ok.
NASA: Japan quake shortened Earths day, shifted axis
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We will actually throw the earth off of its axis, and not one living thing will survive on this earth .
Don't be ridiculous.
NASA: Japan quake shortened Earths day, shifted axis
Soooo..we shouldn't think so highly of humans, and to prove it, we should kill babies.
Wherever Jesus was, the Kingdom accompanied Him.
What it does NOT mean is that it resides in everyone. If you're right, then Christ wouldn't have said, "thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Cloud cuckoo land".
A woman of Indian origin has died after doctors in Ireland refused to perform an abortion, telling her that this is a Catholic country, sparking widespread outrage and renewed calls for immediate reforms to the Irish law to allow termination if the life of the mother is at risk.
Savita Halappanavar (31), who was a dentist, was 17 weeks pregnant when she died from septicaemia, according to an autopsy carried out two days after her death on Oct 28. Her family said she asked several times for her termination as she had severe back pain and was miscarrying but doctors at University Hospital Galway refused on the grounds that abortion was illegal in Ireland.
Her husband Praveen Halappanavar said he was certain that his wife would have still been alive if the termination had been allowed.
It was her first pregnancy, he said, and she was on top of the world before she started suffering back pain. When the pain persisted, she asked her consultant if she could be induced but was told no.
They said unfortunately she cant because its a Catholic country. Savita said to her [consultant] she is not Catholic, she is Hindu, and why impose the law on her. But she said, Im sorry, unfortunately its a Catholic country, and its the law that they cant abort when the foetus is [alive], he said.
The hospital has launched an internal investigation in addition to a separate inquiry ordered by Irelands Health Service Executive.
Mr. Halappanavar recalled that Savita was so happy and everything was going well until she was admitted to hospital with back pain.
On the Saturday [Oct 20] night everything changed. She started experiencing back pain so we called the hospital, the university hospital... I got a call at about half [past] twelve on the Wednesday night that Savitas heart rate had really gone up and that they had moved her to ICU. Things just kept on getting worse and on Friday they told me that she was critically ill. Savita died on Sunday.
Ireland Prime Minister Enda Kenny did not rule out an independent inquiry as pro-choice groups demanded immediate changes to the law.
It would be very appropriate that we dont rule anything out here, but there are two reports and investigations going on at the moment, Mr. Kenny said.
Irelands strict anti-abortion law means that women routinely go abroad for abortion. Earlier this year, the government set up an expert group to make recommendations in response to a judgment of the European Court of Human Rights judgment that Ireland had failed to implement existing rights to lawful abortion where a mothers life was at risk.
Left-wing MPs Clare Daly and Joan Collins, who had introduced a bill in Parliament earlier this year to allow an abortion in specific life-threatening circumstances, said that had their proposals been accepted, Savita would have been alive.
A woman has died because Galway University Hospital refused to perform an abortion needed to prevent serious risk to her life.
This is a situation we were told would never arise. An unviable foetus the woman was having a miscarriage was given priority over the womans life, who unfortunately and predictably developed septicaemia and died, Ms Daly said.
A woman of Indian origin has died after doctors in Ireland refused to perform an abortion, telling her that this is a Catholic country, sparking widespread outrage and renewed calls for immediate reforms to the Irish law to allow termination if the life of the mother is at risk.
Again. The woman in this case died of septicemia, not "lack of abortion". This took place in a place where abortion is LEGAL if it is needed for the health and safety of the mother INCLUDING mental health.
So tell me where it says in there that the woman died BECAUSE she didn't get an abortion? I'm pretty sure it says she died of blood poisoning. My guess (again) is that she was sick when she came in and they refused to operate on her until they had the blood poisoning under control. Then she died. You don't do surgery on ppl with raging septicemia.
We will actually throw the earth off of its axis, and not one living thing will survive on this earth .
Don't be ridiculous.
ok.
NASA: Japan quake shortened Earths day, shifted axis
Your[sic] right. NASA and I are wrong.
Wherever Jesus was, the Kingdom accompanied Him.
What it does NOT mean is that it resides in everyone. If you're right, then Christ wouldn't have said, "thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Cloud cuckoo land".
It says so, explicitly, in the bible. Jesus taught that "[t]he kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:20-1). Of course, a 'kingdom within' is an effective antitoxin for the notion of an external materialistic paradise, be it a theocratic rule, a People's Republic, or a Third Reich. The 'kingdom within' means that the Christ resides within us, because He is the personification of the kingdom. Individuation is to realize Christ within. This is true Pauline Christianity.
Jesus said, "If those who lead you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and
you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty." (Thomas, 3).
Jesus is the personification of the Kingdom, who resides within. St Paul says: "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." (Gal 2).
It is evident that Jesus is not out to establish the cloud cuckoo land on earth. He says, "My Kingdom is not of this world; if my Kingdom were of this world, my servants would be fighting that I would not have been delivered up to the Judeans, but now my Kingdom is not from here." (John 18:36).
So we must give up the idea of materialistic earthly perfection. What do you think it means when Paul says that he has been crucified with Christ? Do you really think it refers to "righteousness"? To lift up one's cross, eventually to be crucified upon it, means to open-eyedly face the darkness of existence. All nature is suffering. The Buddha taught that life is suffering and impermanence. In Christendom, we can put up with suffering because the kingdom is within us and among us. If we refuse to heed the Christian message of Christ within, then we become obsessed with mitigating suffering and establishing the materialistic cloud cuckoo land on earth.
Mats Winther
Act 1: 8 -- ....the Holy Ghost [holy spirit] is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
If you are right, this was unnecessary.John 20: 22 -- And when Jesus had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost
Then you have to explain what Christ meant by you must be born again to enter the Kingdom. Why execute a process when you're already hooked up?
Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this earth. We are of this earth. Yet in your version, you insist that His kingdom is here. And He lied about Heaven.
What you have done is cherry picked a few Bible verses and created your very own religion by taking them out of context, or just plain misunderstanding of them. What you are indwelled with does not sound like Jesus. If it did, your beliefs would be perfectly in line with the Bible, not contrary to it.
That a person needs to be reborn to have the Kingdom within, sort of dispels the theory that it was there all along.
Do you have a Jesus book of your own? Because if you are right, the Bible is garbage and should be burned.
Earlier in history the baby acquired status as a human being only at the moment of birth. As a fetus it hadn't yet taken its first breath, which was regarded as the moment when it became inspired with the life spirit. In fact, during epochs in history, the child had to undergo a ritual, similar to baptism, before it acquired full status as a human being. Before this, the parents could get rid of the child. This was, of course, due to factors of poverty. Historically, people had recourse to a symbolic and religious worldview. The "rule" was that human life begins when the child is born. This is the moment when it takes its first breath and starts life as a separate organism. We still celebrate this as our birthday, when our life began. We don't view it as beginning a few months before. Astrologers have always regarded this as the moment when life begins. Although we have lost this "naive" worldview, I don't think it's possible to live without a symbolic outlook. We must still have recourse to symbolic rules to live by. The moral burden gets too big, otherwise. We cannot expect scientific definitions to resolve all moral problems.
I think we should be less sentimental about abortion. Up to a few months, abortion should be legal. It is true that it is cruel, but we cannot expect to remove all the dark aspects from life. Most importantly, human life isn't holy. There is a tendency of putting the human being on a pedestal, as if he were a divine being. But homo sapiens is the most destructive and evil creature that has ever existed on this earth. There is no grounds for worshipping human life. There is a conflict between qualitatively valuable life (intellectual life, spiritual life, artistic life) versus vegetative life, i.e., the life of the child; motherhood and the rearing of children, etc. Among simple people in the Third World there is really no alternative to a vegetative life, so they tend to give birth to many children. But in the Western population there are people who have greater horizons than a mere instinctual and unconscious life, which implies a qualitatively valuable life, capable of enhancing the conscious dimensions. The meaning of human life isn't simply to propagate the species. For instance, if a woman wants to pursue a career as a musician, it might be necessary to do an abortion. Thus, something spiritually valuable can take root. Life isn't only about quantity. Quality is equally important. So this is a conflict which we have to live with. We have to put up with the painful and conflicting sides of life, and not simply remove that which is morally difficult, as in the Islamic countries. Arguably, a single meaningful human life is worth hundreds of unconscious and mechanical lives (in a metaphorical sense).
A meaningful human life is a life that can reach its potential. Think of the many women in history who had to sacrifice their individual talent for the sake of motherhood and kitchen duties. An immense number of philosophers, musicians, artists, poets, scientists, and spiritual personalities, were never given a chance. It is very painful not to be able to develop one's personality, and instead be confined within a suffocating space. Many people, not only women, have been driven insane by the stifling morality of society. It has created immense suffering in human history. When I speak of "meaningful life" I don't mean to say that all other human life is worthless. I mean that people who have an impetus in themselves, to manifest their inner nature, will experience life as meaningless if they are confined within too narrow constraints. Such people have an urge to live a meaningful life, whereas the majority just take a seat on the train, visit all the stations in life, and then die. Of course, their lives are probably meaningful in some religious sense, but their lives aren't meaningful in the personal sense of the creative individual. There are different variants of meaning.
It is not an easy decission to terminate the life of fetuses, but nor is it self-evident to always let them live. We must accept that life is wrought with difficult moral problems. Don't swallow the fundamentalist argument, that abortion is always wrong. We are unceasingly taking the lives of living beings. A pig, for instance, is a vastly more intelligent creature than a fetus, and it has a full spectrum of feelings. We mustn't elevate human beings to divine creatures that under all circumstances must be kept alive, whereas other living creatures can be killed as if they had no value at all. Today, we overvalue vegetative and unconscious life and underestimate spiritual and individual life. We ought to acknowledge the moral conflict involved between these two forms of life. Sometimes one must leave room to the growth of the individual at the price of vegetative and unconscious life. The notion that all human life is always divine and must be protected at all costs is what underlies the expansive population of the Third World and their immigration to the Western world. In Sweden, the majority of them lead passive lives. Most Western people seem to think this is ideal. The more humans there exist on earth the better it is, whether or not they are merely vegetating. But this policy is catastrophic. Population growth devastates the earth.
The lack of appraisal of the principle of individuation is dismaying. The advanced conscious life of the individual is truly valuable life. It is the only thing which is divine, whereas unconscious and mechanic human life is not only meaningless, it is destructive to life on earth since it uses up so much resources and gives rise to criminality. The individual is like a tree that has a strong urge to blossom out. If this force is stymied, it generates an enormous anxiety and suffering in the individual. Life must be lived, and there are always costs involved, such as the sacrifice of a fetus, or the sacrifice of a loving relationship. Life always involves sacrifice. (That's why all higher civilizations in the Bronze Age made an abominable ritual of this truth and instituted the human sacrifice). We don't need to spare every embryo, nor do we need to keep every Third World child alive. Let's stop worshipping human life, as such. In the modern age the human being is elevated to divine proportions. This is a severe misunderstanding of the Christian message. To follow the path of Christ means to achieve emancipation from unconscious and vegetative life and to realize one's inner potential.
Lao-tzu says: "Life is spirit" (Tao Te Ching, 6). The life of the spirit mustn't be confined within a box where it is suffocating. This is what happens when the vulgar notion of life in the flesh is elevated as the highest principle. Let's cease the materialistic worship of human proliferation. It is time to understand that life is spirit. The maximization of human lives on this planet has no value at all, it only destroys the planet. It asphyxiates the life in the spirit, which is the only real life.
Mats Winther
Again. The woman in this case died of septicemia, not "lack of abortion". This took place in a place where abortion is LEGAL if it is needed for the health and safety of the mother INCLUDING mental health.
So tell me where it says in there that the woman died BECAUSE she didn't get an abortion? I'm pretty sure it says she died of blood poisoning. My guess (again) is that she was sick when she came in and they refused to operate on her until they had the blood poisoning under control. Then she died. You don't do surgery on ppl with raging septicemia.
Nobody proved me wrong, abortion zealot.
is an oxymoron.Abortion and morality
If God took the time to place the individual hairs on the heads of those aborted children, I'll bet He meant for them to have a life. When He judges the Nations, we'll be paying for this mistake.
Possibly, the number of Americans killed during the tribulation period may equal the number of His children we have killed, I don't know, but I doubt he overlooks it.
Those who view abortion as an inhumane act of cruelty must bear in mind that we cannot expect to remove all the dark aspects from life.
We must stop pretending that life could be perfect, and void of moral difficulties.
The conclusion is that we cannot avoid dirtying ourselves.
We must try to remain as morally untarnished as possible, but we mustn't believe that it is possible, except for Jesus.
If we think that we are perfectly good, we are also very prone to castigate others as deviants, just as religious zealots do.
It is nothing but zealotry to believe that there are ways of remaining a perfectly clean and moral upstanding citizen.
It makes people very judgmental towards others.
I discuss the acceptance of dark nature in my article Symbolic Poverty, here.
'Earth' cannot be devastated, because devastation is merely a human illusion. The planet has been transformed countless times by huge occurrences. We would call it devastated. The earth calls it nothing as the earth is not something that uses thought, words or concepts.
Over population is only bad because it is undesirable to humans, unless it isn't. I don't want it and don't think it expresses the highest and best attributes of 'humaness', but that is my view. Humans determine what has value, what is precious, what has rights, etc. Reality is what we choose to acknowledge.
That it a horrible rationalization, void of the moral perspective. Not to acknowledge the moral responsibility that human beings have for the earth and its species is utter relativism and complacency.
M. Winther