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love is important but not the only thing that is important to raising a child....
the force is coming from the courts.....this force will have an effect upon society....so don't say people are not being forced to live with this new law....this matter is so basic to society that people should have the right to vote on it instead of being forced by the narrow decisions of the courts...
Youve got it backwards.
Seeking to deny gay Americans their civil liberties is the aberration; the tyranny of the state forcing its un-Constitutional will upon same-sex couples in violation of the Founding Document, where the courts are correctly and appropriately invalidating the wrong committed by the states.
In fact, the courts wouldnt even be involved if the states hadnt sought to deny gay Americans their civil liberties and the states have only themselves to blame when their un-Constitutional measures are struck down by the courts.
If you and others on the right dont want the courts involved in such matters, then stop seeking to deny gay Americans their civil liberties.
all laws not in the Constitution should be left up to the States...
The question is if it the "pro choice" advocates support the right of mothers to abort gay fetuses. I would like to hear the answer. Or better yet, do they support a woman's choice to abort a mixed race or mentally disabled fetus?
Yes, I would still support a woman's right to choose what is done with her body, even in the unlikely event that they were someday to develop a fetal test for "gay".
I'll also even venture to guess that people, including gays and their straight allies, would still support a woman's right to choose. There would likely be more reversals of a pro-life stance than the pro-choice one.
Interesting that the Right is in favor of abortion, in certain circumstances.Ooo the troll angle....
The Future GOP Platform: Rape illegal in all instances except rape, incest and "the ghey"...
By combining the fight against gay marriage and abortion, you will lose both of them. Each issue is too big to lump together and fight with your weak little muscles. Best to go after each one separately. They aren't even in the same league anyway. It's like mixing orange marmalade and tuna fish.
We founded the place. it's your kind that now hates it so why not leave? You have no chance of turning back the clock, and you don't like it here, so vote with your feet. I think Russia would be a good fit for your kind.hate to burst your little bubble but progressives are not exactly known for being pro-America...
therefore if anybody is to leave it should be you...
i think you have progressives mixed up with liberals.....meaning the traditional liberals who founded this country....not today's 'liberals' who are really progressives......
historically progressives have attacked the Constitution and they push Big Government....basically another variation of commies...
...progressivism challenged the original principles of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution as outmoded 18th century ideas and instead promoted evolving rights and a living Constitution that constantly adapts the founding principles and unlimits government to address any and every social problem of the day.
Paul Ryan, Anti-Progressive | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News from The Heritage Foundation
Many have bought into the 'Hallmark version' of 'marriage equality' because they have heard nothing else...
Gay marriage is being forced on this country like legalized abortion was forced on the country in 1973....following the same blueprint....legalized abortion was a product of civil arrogance on a national scale...like gay marriage today....
We have the media tsunami, the judicial old-boys network making secret arrangements, an elite attack on tradition and values, the middle and working classes utterly ignored.
Civil rights today are really all about vengence...
The campaign for gay marriage targets the exact same things that abortion did: tradition, middle-class values, the family. Abortion was part of a large-scale effort by the Dead Souls the upper-class elites to destroy lower-class attitudes, traditions, and beliefs, above all involving religion and the family, that were thought to be holding back progressive social evolution. The same motive can be seen here.
Marriage has no actual place in homosexual culture. It never has. If marriage were of such overwhelming importance to homosexuals, they would have, at some point in the last several thousand years of civilization, created some institution of their own to reflect it within their ranks. There is no sign in the historical record that this has ever happened. (The reason is that the basic impulse behind same-sex attraction is profoundly different from the attraction between the sexes. But we wont go into those complexities here.)
Andrew Sullivan and others have reflected this reality by declaring that gay marriage would be different from traditional marriage, involving open relationships, shifting liaisons, and the like. In other words, reflecting gay life as it is actually lived, and for all practical purposes not marriage at all. That is, something that could have been established generations ago if gays really wanted it.
So if this campaign is not about marriage per se, what is it about? To put it bluntly, its about vengeance. The modern view of civil rights does not involve justice, reconciliation, or tolerance. It involves revenge. No longer is it enough to correct injustices, to see to reparations, to guarantee that no backsliding with regard to minority rights occurs. Since the 1960s, it has been necessary to punish the majority for various historical sins even if they had no actual involvement. This began with black civil rights, as the movement, at one time a campaign of high moral content, went off the rails with the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. In short order we got forced bussing, affirmative action, and political correctness, each of which was intended less to assist blacks than to punish, harass, and annoy whites. The same has followed with the feminists, Hispanics, and now gays.
Behind all those athletic young men and winsome girls stand the six-foot-tall drag queens and three-hundred-pound lesbians in tuxes who are the neglected image of gay marriage. The intention is to destroy marriage itself by turning it into a joke, a clown show. This is how gays seek their revenge: by striking at the key heterosexual ritual, one that for most women marks a peak experience in their lives and for men marks the moment of leaving behind carefree youth for responsible manhood. Marriage is the basis of the family, and more than that, a state that marks the differences between the middle class and on one side the undeserving poor who dont care enough to marry, and the butterflies of the wealthy elite, to whom, as the old country western song put it, loves a passing fling.
But theres more to it.
Articles: Roe and Gay Marriage
Perhaps if science could ascertain whether a Baby was going to be Gay, much like down syndrome, parents would have the option to abort Gay Babies -Problem Solved . But - Nobody is born Gay, it's an acquired mental illness, so that will never happen.
The question is if it the "pro choice" advocates support the right of mothers to abort gay fetuses. I would like to hear the answer. Or better yet, do they support a woman's choice to abort a mixed race or mentally disabled fetus?
Interesting that the Right is in favor of abortion, in certain circumstances.Ooo the troll angle....
Interesting that the left is opposed to abortion, when it supports race mixing and anti-social degeneracy.
This just shows abortion is a tool used primarily to destroy the fabric of normal white societies and take down our birthrates.
Interesting that the Right is in favor of abortion, in certain circumstances.
The Future GOP Platform: Rape illegal in all instances except rape, incest and "the ghey"...
You mean "abortion" as that first word, correct?
Many have bought into the 'Hallmark version' of 'marriage equality' because they have heard nothing else...
Gay marriage is being forced on this country like legalized abortion was forced on the country in 1973....following the same blueprint....legalized abortion was a product of civil arrogance on a national scale...like gay marriage today....
We have the media tsunami, the judicial old-boys network making secret arrangements, an elite attack on tradition and values, the middle and working classes utterly ignored.
Civil rights today are really all about vengence...
Perhaps if science could ascertain whether a Baby was going to be Gay, much like down syndrome, parents would have the option to abort Gay Babies -Problem Solved . But - Nobody is born Gay, it's an acquired mental illness, so that will never happen.
... a surprising group of people doesnt think that namely, scholars of gay history and anthropology. Theyre almost all LGBT themselves, and they have decisively shown that gayness is a product of Western society ...
Nobody is 'born that way,' gay historians say | The Daily Caller
Many believe people are born gay that there is some organic basis for homosexuality. [A belief born of ignorance] .... We can win the discussions and political debates easily, though, when the topic of born gay is effectively presented as a topic for public consideration..... Homosexual leaders refuse to debate this issue because they know they cannot win..... Proof you can?t be ?born gay?
Fruitcakes. I'll go with science, and common sense, thanks all the same.Perhaps if science could ascertain whether a Baby was going to be Gay, much like down syndrome, parents would have the option to abort Gay Babies -Problem Solved . But - Nobody is born Gay, it's an acquired mental illness, so that will never happen.
... a surprising group of people doesnt think that namely, scholars of gay history and anthropology. Theyre almost all LGBT themselves, and they have decisively shown that gayness is a product of Western society ...
Nobody is 'born that way,' gay historians say | The Daily Caller
Many believe people are born gay that there is some organic basis for homosexuality. [A belief born of ignorance] .... We can win the discussions and political debates easily, though, when the topic of born gay is effectively presented as a topic for public consideration..... Homosexual leaders refuse to debate this issue because they know they cannot win..... Proof you can?t be ?born gay?
No One Is Born Gay - Accurate scientific information on SSA - causes, concerns, help.
Former Homosexual Says 'No one is born gay'
Intelligent Homosexuals Know that Nobody Is Born Gay
The question is if it the "pro choice" advocates support the right of mothers to abort gay fetuses. I would like to hear the answer. Or better yet, do they support a woman's choice to abort a mixed race or mentally disabled fetus?
Yes, I would still support a woman's right to choose what is done with her body, even in the unlikely event that they were someday to develop a fetal test for "gay".
I'll also even venture to guess that people, including gays and their straight allies, would still support a woman's right to choose. There would likely be more reversals of a pro-life stance than the pro-choice one.
I concur.
Perhaps if science could ascertain whether a Baby was going to be Gay, much like down syndrome, parents would have the option to abort Gay Babies -Problem Solved . But - Nobody is born Gay, it's an acquired mental illness, so that will never happen.
... a surprising group of people doesnt think that namely, scholars of gay history and anthropology. Theyre almost all LGBT themselves, and they have decisively shown that gayness is a product of Western society ...
Nobody is 'born that way,' gay historians say | The Daily Caller
Many believe people are born gay that there is some organic basis for homosexuality. [A belief born of ignorance] .... We can win the discussions and political debates easily, though, when the topic of born gay is effectively presented as a topic for public consideration..... Homosexual leaders refuse to debate this issue because they know they cannot win..... Proof you can?t be ?born gay?
No One Is Born Gay - Accurate scientific information on SSA - causes, concerns, help.
Former Homosexual Says 'No one is born gay'
Intelligent Homosexuals Know that Nobody Is Born Gay
The question is if it the "pro choice" advocates support the right of mothers to abort gay fetuses. I would like to hear the answer. Or better yet, do they support a woman's choice to abort a mixed race or mentally disabled fetus?
Interesting that the Right is in favor of abortion, in certain circumstances.Ooo the troll angle....
Interesting that the left is opposed to abortion, when it supports race mixing and anti-social degeneracy.
This just shows abortion is a tool used primarily to destroy the fabric of normal white societies and take down our birthrates.
Yes, I would still support a woman's right to choose what is done with her body, even in the unlikely event that they were someday to develop a fetal test for "gay".
I'll also even venture to guess that people, including gays and their straight allies, would still support a woman's right to choose. There would likely be more reversals of a pro-life stance than the pro-choice one.
I concur.
Many believe people are “born gay” – that there is some organic basis for homosexuality. [A belief born of ignorance] .... We can win the discussions and political debates easily, though, when the topic of “born gay” is effectively presented as a topic for public consideration..... Homosexual leaders refuse to debate this issue because they know they cannot win..... Proof you can?t be ?born gay?
No One Is Born Gay - Accurate scientific information on SSA - causes, concerns, help.
Former Homosexual Says 'No one is born gay'
Intelligent Homosexuals Know that Nobody Is “Born Gay”
Nothing credible in any of those links.
Nothing to support that it is an "acquired mental illness" either.
When did you "choose" not to be gay, SE?
Nothing credible in any of those links.
Nothing to support that it is an "acquired mental illness" either.
When did you "choose" not to be gay
We argue that for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays (page 184);
Interesting that the Right is in favor of abortion, in certain circumstances.
Interesting that the left is opposed to abortion, when it supports race mixing and anti-social degeneracy.
This just shows abortion is a tool used primarily to destroy the fabric of normal white societies and take down our birthrates.
Partisan nonsense.
Again, the right to privacy guarantees a woman the ability to end her pregnancy for any reason she determines appropriate, whether others approve of her reasons or not is irrelevant.
"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon
Interesting that the left is opposed to abortion, when it supports race mixing and anti-social degeneracy.
This just shows abortion is a tool used primarily to destroy the fabric of normal white societies and take down our birthrates.
Partisan nonsense.
Again, the right to privacy guarantees a woman the ability to end her pregnancy for any reason she determines appropriate, whether others approve of her reasons or not is irrelevant.
First time for everything , I've got to agree with you on that one Clayton, Abortion is detestable. However, a woman has the right to decide what she does with her body- she can choose to give life, or she can choose to murder her unborn child - something she'll have to live with forever .
My objections are against the people and groups who actaully advocate homicide against the unborn ... such as Planned Parenthood.
Margaret Sanger /Founder Planned Parenthood :
"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon
Yes, I would still support a woman's right to choose what is done with her body, even in the unlikely event that they were someday to develop a fetal test for "gay".
I'll also even venture to guess that people, including gays and their straight allies, would still support a woman's right to choose. There would likely be more reversals of a pro-life stance than the pro-choice one.
I concur.
Many believe people are born gay that there is some organic basis for homosexuality. [A belief born of ignorance] .... We can win the discussions and political debates easily, though, when the topic of born gay is effectively presented as a topic for public consideration..... Homosexual leaders refuse to debate this issue because they know they cannot win..... Proof you can?t be ?born gay?
No One Is Born Gay - Accurate scientific information on SSA - causes, concerns, help.
Former Homosexual Says 'No one is born gay'
Intelligent Homosexuals Know that Nobody Is Born Gay
Nothing credible in any of those links.
Nothing to support that it is an "acquired mental illness" either.
When did you "choose" not to be gay, SE?
I concur.
Nothing credible in any of those links.
Nothing to support that it is an "acquired mental illness" either.
When did you "choose" not to be gay, SE?
Hey, at least it wasn't anything from "looneybird", one of his favorite websites to quote garbage from...of course, Freepers is scarcely better.
He should try some actual science...
The Real Story on Gay Genes
Homing in on the science of homosexualityand sexuality itself.
Hookers Studies however were the product of a deliberate campaign by Gay activists to bring forward particular, pre-arranged outcomes, an approach that ignores scientific objectivity. Objectivity is a basic philosophical concept, related to reality and truth. Objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. Scientific Objectivity is a value that informs how scientific studies are conducted and how scientific truths are arrived at. It is the idea that scientists, in attempting to uncover truths about the natural world, must aspire to eliminate personal biases, emotional involvement, etc ... Hookers Studies failed the most basic of Litmus tests regarding Objectivity. Hooker was an associate of the Mattachine Society and was lobbied and eventually convinced to conduct a research study of homosexuality for the sole purpose of advancing their Agenda.
The study, "The adjustment of the male overt homosexual", Hooker administered several standardized personality tests to two sets of men, the first group of 30 was homosexual and heavily screened by the Mattachine Society and the other heterosexual. The whole purpose of the study was to examine the instances of mental instability in homosexuals, However, individuals who showed the slightest signs of mental instability were excluded , it was not a random test and was designed to arrive at predetermined results.
Evelyn Hooker Study Flawed
Fruitcakes. I'll go with science, and common sense, thanks all the same.
Many believe people are born gay that there is some organic basis for homosexuality. [A belief born of ignorance] .... We can win the discussions and political debates easily, though, when the topic of born gay is effectively presented as a topic for public consideration..... Homosexual leaders refuse to debate this issue because they know they cannot win..... Proof you can?t be ?born gay?
No One Is Born Gay - Accurate scientific information on SSA - causes, concerns, help.
Former Homosexual Says 'No one is born gay'
Intelligent Homosexuals Know that Nobody Is Born Gay
