Abbas 'Diplomatic surprise' - Deadline for Israel to withdraw from WB

[Daniyel]

I think Abbas forgot to respond Olmert's package deal about the WB..few years ago, I don't think he actually got any evidence to back his threat, Israel gathered fairly enough evidence which is the only reason why nobody ever thought brought this idea in the past, with the on going "investigation" which is of course full of one sided [PALESTINIAN SIDED] members - to judge the evidence. -I think Abbas trying to ride the momentum and actually get something.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas expected to unveil his plan on Tuesday in Ramallah, present it to the United Nations next month • If the plan does not pass in the Security Council, Palestinians may try joining International Criminal Court.

Eli Leon, Daniel Siryoti, Shlomo Cesana, Mati Tuchfeld, The Associated Press and Israel Hayom Staff

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=19655

 

[waltky]

How ya s'posed to negotiate with a mentality like that???...

Palestinians will never recognize Israel as Jewish state, Abbas says
Nov. 29, 2014 | Palestinian Authority president accuses Israel of setting up an apartheid state; threatens to halt security cooperation.

If the United Nations fails to adopt a resolution affirming Palestinian statehood, the Palestinian Authority will reassess its security cooperation with Israel and seek membership in the International Criminal Court, President Mahmoud Abbas said on Saturday. Speaking to Arab League foreign ministers at a meeting in Cairo, Abbas also accused Israel of harboring an apartheid government instead of working to advance the peace process. "We will never recognize the Jewishness of the state of Israel," Abbas was quoted as saying by Israel's Channel 10, an apparent reference to Israel's proposed Nationality Law.

During the meeting, Arab League foreign ministers agreed to present a draft resolution to the United Nations Security Council setting a time frame for the creation of a Palestinian state but did not indicate when the resolution would be presented. Abbas told the gathering that Palestinians were unable to continue waiting while "Israel creates facts on the ground through the continued building of settlements."

If the U.N. resolution fails and negotiations are not renewed based on the 1967 borders and an end to the Israeli occupation, Abbas said the Palestinians will seek membership in certain international organizations including the International Criminal Court in the Hague. "We will also reassess our ties with Israel, including ending the security cooperation between us," Abbas said.

Political relations between Abbas and the Israeli leadership are at a low point and Abbas has been a frequent target of criticism from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, accusing him of "terrorism and murder" following a string of recent attacks against Israelis. U.S. efforts to broker negotiations between Jerusalem and Ramallah ended in April after being pursued for about a year by Secretary of State John Kerry. "We have given the Americans every possible opportunity and we have repeatedly postponed taking action until we turned into a laughing stock," Abbas said in asking the foreign ministers to support the resolution to the Security Council.

Read more: Abbas Palestinians will not recognize Jewishness of Israel - UPI.com

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Abbas to Press for UN Action on Independent Palestine
November 29, 2014 — Arab League foreign ministers have met in extraordinary session to hear Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas discuss developments in the Palestinian territories and Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem.

Saturday's meeting followed weeks of unrest in the holy city, which has spread across the occupied West Bank and Arab communities in Israel. Abbas briefed Arab foreign ministers in Cairo about the impasse in peace negotiations with Israel and to urge U.N. Security Council approval of an Arab plan for creation of a Palestinian state. Secretary-General Nabil Elaraby reminded the foreign ministers that the Arab League presented a similar proposal two years ago. The Arab states agreed in November 2012 to use international bodies such as the U.N. to create a Palestinian state, he said, and all parties agreed to a timetable for ending Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory.

Abbas blasted Israel for a number of unilateral measures it has taken, and he warned that Palestinians will not negotiate with Israel if it continues establishing new Jewish settlements on Arab land in Jerusalem and the West Bank. Abbas has asked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on numerous occasions to stop building settlements and to respect the internationally recognized 1967 border separating Israeli and Arab territories. Multiple obstacles prevent the Palestinians from entering into negotiations with Israel, Abbas said, especially unilarteral actions such as the Israeli Cabinet's action this month to officially define Israel as a nation-state of the Jewish people and affirm the country's essential Jewish character. Abbas said the Palestinians recognized Israel as a sovereign nation more than two decades ago, in the landmark 1993 Oslo Accords, but have never and will never recognize it as a Jewish state.

Officially declaring Israel is a Jewish state, along with other measures the Netanyahu government is considering, amounts to “apartheid,” Abbas said. He cited restrictions that bar Palestinians from using certain roads in the West Bank, a move that implies Palestinians are second-class citizens. He also condemned a requirement that anyone elected to the Israeli parliament, or Knesset, must swear loyalty to the Israeli state. Abbas said U.N. recognition of a Palestinian state will enable his government to appear before the International Criminal Court and other recognized bodies. He said he is planning to demand U.N. protection for the Palestinian people following this year's war between Israel and forms of Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

Arab League discussions centered on timing of the move for Palestinian statehood, and for a hypothetical Israeli withdrawal from the territories it occupies. The Palestinian president admitted he has agreed in the past to requests from U.S. President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry to postpone any unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. But now, he said, his patience has run out. Sweden said last month it will recognize a Palestinian state, and the French and British parliaments both discussed the same course. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius has indicated that France will wait two years before taking such direct action.

Abbas to Press for UN Action on Independent Palestine

 

[Daniyel]

I was meant to share it, thank you.
The 2 year ultimatum will only make all sides lose - including Jordan that been threatening to cancel the treaty even before the latest crisis over Mount Home status, I bet this will cause a serious crisis with Israel-Jordan resulting in even military escalation while IS will seize the opportunity and invade from the northern east border, Jordan will find itself facing double frontiers without Israel's aid and the Palestinians caught in between, stupid morons.

 

[Beelzebub]

It seems Israel will do everything it can to prevent any resolution to their occupation and gradual annexation of Palestine.

Why would that be?

 

[Daniyel]

It seems Israel will do everything it can to prevent any resolution to their occupation and gradual annexation of Palestine.

Why would that be?

Because its critically harming Israel's defensive capabilities and place the entire country under simple rocket threat, silencing the entire state roads, disabling Israel's ability to neutralize air threats as well, losing control over the most important military positions, encourage the bloodthirsty terrorizing monstrosities to continue their violent rampage against innocents, and worse of all - giving up on Israel's land - fair enough?

 

[Beelzebub]

So you admit its Israel's intention to sabotage any resolution.

Well done Daniyel. That's very honest of you.

As to your rationalisation: You make a fair peace, withdraw, even to just the 1967 borders (1948 would be better) and you just see how much support comes to Israel. You could shoot across those borders with the blessings of nearly everyone, while Palestinians would finally be told to get a life and enjoy it.

Even Israel's opponents outside of Palestine recognise it would be more trouble to cancel than to exist IF it was to stick to a territory limited by treaty. Of course, while you insist on sabotaging any just peace arrangements, there is no end to your mischief, so it makes more sense to cancel Israel.

 

[Daniyel]

So you admit its Israel's intention to sabotage any resolution.

Well done Daniyel. That's very honest of you.

As to your rationalisation: You make a fair peace, withdraw, even to just the 1967 borders (1948 would be better) and you just see how much support comes to Israel. You could shoot across those borders with the blessings of nearly everyone, while Palestinians would finally be told to get a life and enjoy it.

Even Israel's opponents outside of Palestine recognise it would be more trouble to cancel than to exist IF it was to stick to a territory limited by treaty. Of course, while you insist on sabotaging any just peace arrangements, there is no end to your mischief, so it makes more sense to cancel Israel.

Sabotage is not the right word.
Israel won't be thrilled from one sided steps and won't play the game, while Abbas decide to go all in the Palestinians will find themselves deep in the mud with zero chance to make any progress with Israel.
The Ultimatum is pointless when you can't back that up, and so far we're running out of patience and so does the rest of the world, the Palestinians keep digging a lower grave for themselves and there nothing new about it.

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel does "one-sided steps" all the time.
It seems to be Israel's game-plan to have two or three moves each turn, and begrudge Palestinians having any, and maneuvers them into "fight or surrender" as the only options.

Palestinians need to stop expecting Israel to play a fair game.
Every move they make diplomatically should be without regard to Israeli feelings or pressure.

Press on to the legal consequences and the societal and international consequences of Israel trying to always have the upper hand. And just do it.

When Israel behaves as badly as it does, you cannot hold off because they say they would not approve.

 

[Kondor3]

It seems Israel will do everything it can to prevent any resolution to their occupation and gradual annexation of Palestine.

Why would that be?

Because this is what the Israelis want...

And they are going to get it...

What makes that seem likely?

The Palestinians own propaganda maps tell us that story...

Pretty soon now, we'll be asking ourselves, how many Palestinians can stand on the head of a pin...

Abbas and the rest of the sorry-assed joke that is Rump Palestine can serve-up as many deadlines as they like...

In the end, it is the Israelis who will decide what is to happen, not the Palestinians, no matter what those delusional Muslims think.

 

[Beelzebub]

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That is the most intelligent thing you have posted on the board, Kondor.

 

[Phoenall]

It seems Israel will do everything it can to prevent any resolution to their occupation and gradual annexation of Palestine.

Why would that be?

CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW that says Israel is right. The UN has told both sides to sit down and talk, and the P.A. refuse to talk until pre conditions are met. So there is a stalemate until the UN step in and force the P.A. to talk peace and mutual borders.

 

[Daniyel]

Israel does "one-sided steps" all the time.
It seems to be Israel's game-plan to have two or three moves each turn, and begrudge Palestinians having any, and maneuvers them into "fight or surrender" as the only options.

Palestinians need to stop expecting Israel to play a fair game.
Every move they make diplomatically should be without regard to Israeli feelings or pressure.

Press on to the legal consequences and the societal and international consequences of Israel trying to always have the upper hand. And just do it.

When Israel behaves as badly as it does, you cannot hold off because they say they would not approve.

Good morning.
Now remind me one agreement or treaty the Palestinians actually kept?

 

[Phoenall]

So you admit its Israel's intention to sabotage any resolution.

Well done Daniyel. That's very honest of you.

As to your rationalisation: You make a fair peace, withdraw, even to just the 1967 borders (1948 would be better) and you just see how much support comes to Israel. You could shoot across those borders with the blessings of nearly everyone, while Palestinians would finally be told to get a life and enjoy it.

Even Israel's opponents outside of Palestine recognise it would be more trouble to cancel than to exist IF it was to stick to a territory limited by treaty. Of course, while you insist on sabotaging any just peace arrangements, there is no end to your mischief, so it makes more sense to cancel Israel.

LINK to these 1967 borders that no one else can find ?


Israel has already limited themselves by treaty with Egypt and Jordan, so what difference would a treaty with the P.A. make. And it is the P.A. that sabotage any peace arrangements as shown by the continual terrorism against Israeli's

 

[Beelzebub]

It seems Israel will do everything it can to prevent any resolution to their occupation and gradual annexation of Palestine.

Why would that be?

CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW that says Israel is right. The UN has told both sides to sit down and talk, and the P.A. refuse to talk until pre conditions are met. So there is a stalemate until the UN step in and force the P.A. to talk peace and mutual borders.

No it doesn't.
You made that up. Again.

Israel has all the options here. It just wants everything. The best deals it has offered involve Israel holding all the roads with checkpoints and Palestinians controlled by Israel security. With the intention of Israel sidelining them and stealing their land out of existence.

You live in a fantasy world Phoney.
Your Customary International Law is just another term for Zionist Israel and American Congress (bought and paid for) desires. Its bollocks. You know that, and keep saying it because your mouth is full of bollocks most of the time.

If not, show me an unpartizan link to proof that your mouth is NOT full of bollocks all of the time Phoney. Go on. I double dare you.

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel does "one-sided steps" all the time.
It seems to be Israel's game-plan to have two or three moves each turn, and begrudge Palestinians having any, and maneuvers them into "fight or surrender" as the only options.

Palestinians need to stop expecting Israel to play a fair game.
Every move they make diplomatically should be without regard to Israeli feelings or pressure.

Press on to the legal consequences and the societal and international consequences of Israel trying to always have the upper hand. And just do it.

When Israel behaves as badly as it does, you cannot hold off because they say they would not approve.

Good morning.
Now remind me one agreement or treaty the Palestinians actually kept?

Why would they keep a treaty when Israel drives a bulldozer though them as soon as they are signed?

 

[Beelzebub]

If you don't like the green line as a border, then no problem. I don't much like it either.

So the only borders we can agree on are the 1948 borders.
Use them.

 

[Beelzebub]

It seems Israel will do everything it can to prevent any resolution to their occupation and gradual annexation of Palestine.

Why would that be?

Because this is what the Israelis want...

And they are going to get it...

What makes that seem likely?

The Palestinians own propaganda maps tell us that story...

Pretty soon now, we'll be asking ourselves, how many Palestinians can stand on the head of a pin...

Abbas and the rest of the sorry-assed joke that is Rump Palestine can serve-up as many deadlines as they like...

In the end, it is the Israelis who will decide what is to happen, not the Palestinians, no matter what those delusional Muslims think.

There!

Kondor is being honest. Why can the rest of you Zionists not follow his example?

 

[Kondor3]

...There! Kondor is being honest. Why can the rest of you Zionists not follow his example?

Kondor is also NOT a stakeholder nor a Zionist... merely a sympathetic observer, and I speak only for myself... not the Jews.. nor Israelis... nor Zionists.

The Muslims have tons of land surrounding Eretz Yisrael, with plenty of room to take-in a few million co-religionists whom they've disappointed and broken promises to, time and again - especially if the Palestinians are broken up into a half-dozen or so bite-sized chunks of more easily digested population, which can be scattered amongst their new host-nations, in order to spread-out and separate the troublemakers and to permanently neuter them.

The Holy Land is where the Jews started it all - the spiritual motherland of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

And now the Jews have returned, after a 1900 -year-long hiatus.

Pay off the pissant pain-in-the-ass Palestinians, get them the hell out of the way, and let the Jews have the place to themselves once again.

The rest of us all have lands to call our own.

After what the Jews have been through, they've earned-back the title to the land that they once lost, and then reclaimed by courage and force of arms.

Any people capable of holding themselves together for 1900 years and making a comeback like that deserves to have their homeland returned to them.

It's inconvenient that the descendants of the most recent conquerors of the land, and the descendants of recent immigrant job-seeking Arabs, were in the way.

But they are a small matter, and inconsequential, compared to the larger matter of returning the Holy Land to its best and oldest-claimed caretakers.

Let 'em have it.

The UN needs to organize and execute the compensating and relocation of the Palestinians, and helping them for a generation or two, to get a fresh start, elsewhere.

Rather like moving the Indians (Native Americans) out of the way, during the expansionist years of the US, I suppose, but an accurate assessment of what needs to be done, nevertheless.

It's the only thing left to do, when so much blood has been spilled and when peace between two parties is impossible - the weaker, losing side gets moved out of the way, or slaughtered.

Given a choice between slaughter and population transfer (expulsion, whatever) - the latter is a far more humane and palatable lesser of two evils.

The sooner a UN-sponsored Population Transfer begins, the more lives will be saved, and the less pointless struggle for the doomed Palestinian nation-wannabe-that-never-will.

 

[Beelzebub]

...There! Kondor is being honest. Why can the rest of you Zionists not follow his example?

Kondor is also NOT a stakeholder nor a Zionist... merely a sympathetic observer.
...

Yes dear.

 

[Kondor3]

...There! Kondor is being honest. Why can the rest of you Zionists not follow his example?

Kondor is also NOT a stakeholder nor a Zionist... merely a sympathetic observer.
...

Yes dear.

Ahhhhh, Bubbles...

I'm a mixed-breed Irish-German American, Roman Catholic in religious background, living in the far-flung suburbs of Chicago, with zero connection to Israel, with the vague exception of a nominally-Jewish brother-in-law, who hasn't been to temple in 30 years or more, and who doesn't concern himself overly much with Israel or the Middle East.

I am not a stakeholder.

True story.