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Wallace Shawn on Gaza: "The Anger of the Palestinians Cannot Be Ended by Killing Their Children"

Editor's Note: Playwright and actor Wallace Shawn is on the advisory board of Jewish Voice for Peace, which condemns Israeli attacks in Gaza. Shawn recently translated Henrik Ibsen's
A Master Builder, a film by Jonathan Demme. Shawn submitted to The Hollywood Reporter this open letter to the Hollywood community. If you have a topic you would like to discuss, send potential submissions to [email protected].

Over the decades, I've done quite a bit of work as a translator from various languages, and sometimes when I get home from work, I just can't stop. Yesterday, for example, I saw an ad in The Hollywood Reporter. It was in English, but its meaning was not immediately obvious at all, so I felt an overwhelming impulse to translate it.

The ad featured a statement that former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir had made in the 1950s about "the Arabs," but the ad (which leaves out the words "the Arabs") suggests that "her haunting words" are "as current as today's headlines. She could have been talking about Hamas." The quotation, as it appears in the ad, is as follows: "We can forgive [them] for killing our children. We cannot forgive them from forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with [them] when they love their children more than they hate us."

My quick personal translation of this would be: "When we kill the children of Arabs, the Arabs made us do it. They hate us so much, they are so angry, that they do things that enrage us and make us kill children. If they were decent people who loved their children, they would set aside their hatred and stop provoking us, and we would then stop killing the children."

Sometimes a translator feels compelled to argue with the text he's just translated, particularly when, as in the case of this ad, one is confronted by a photograph of the author that makes one vividly feel her presence. In this case, I can only say that despite her wise and thoughtful and grandmotherly face, Golda Meir can be interpreted as saying here that she plans to kill the children of Arabs up until the moment when, in her sole judgment, the Arabs stop feeling "hate" and become sufficiently unprovoking and pacified.

Applying her remarks to the present day, as the signers of the ad suggest we should do, the ad seems fundamentally to be saying that it ought to be up to the current prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to decide when the current killing ought to stop. I have to say, I feel that this ad, directed to members of the show business community, perhaps especially to Jewish members of the show business community such as myself, takes as its premise a false view both of history and of the present situation.

The broad outlines of the terrible history of the Jewish people over the centuries is relatively well-known to many of us. But unfortunately, many members of the show business community are not very aware of the tragic history of the Palestinian people. And yet the fact is that in my own lifetime (I was born in 1943) the Palestinian people have been expelled from their land and subjected to unceasing and unjustifiable torment, including a brutal occupation and, in Gaza, a regime in which an entire population has been placed on a starvation diet.

Anyone who learns more about what has happened can't help but realize that the anger of the Palestinians cannot be ended by killing their children. That is a fantasy. Human beings simply aren't made that way.


Wallace Shawn on Gaza The Anger of the Palestinians Cannot Be Ended by Killing Their Children

Well put.
Well said, Vizzini.

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So, you think killing peoples kids is an effective way to stop them from being angry Dan?
 
I think the source of the anger in the conflict is a different issue, there wouldn't be a conflict without the anger, which is why this is so inaccurate IMHO
 
Wallace Shawn on Gaza: "The Anger of the Palestinians Cannot Be Ended by Killing Their Children"
Palistanians should change their occupation, of course.

The Israelis should end their occupation, actually. That would be a start towards peace.

Whenever there is a military occupation, there must be a cessation to all hostilities before that occupation ends.
To expect Israel to even THINK about leaving the West Bank is while they are being attacked every day or even every week is absurd and unrealistic.
Palestinians in Gaza AND the West Bank need to stop every single form of violence . Otherwise, their hole is going to get deeper and deeper.
Where has Palestinian violence gotten the Palestinians??
 
Not unrealistic at all toast. Most occupations have been ended under fire, apart from many of the British ones, as Britain learned the hard way that you cannot control a native population when they refuse to be controlled.

It happens when societies realise that colonialism is the problem. Not anti-colonial resistance.
 
While the Golda Meir quote is taken out of context, the original context is not wrong. Shes not placing blame on the Arabs for making the Israelis kill Arab children. She's talking about forgiveness; that she can't forgive them. She adds that there can be peace only when the Arabs prefer to save their own, more than they prefer to kill their enemy. NOT that it is justified to kill Arab children because they "made us do it."
 
No. Golda Meir was saying there would not be peace until Arabs have been so terrorised into submission that they are too scared to lose more, and are cowed and pliant.

A very fascist approach by a colonialist to native people.
And entirely unrealistic, when the avowed intention of Zionism was to deprive all non-Jews in Palestine of land, liberty and life.

She never wanted peace. Like other Israeli leaders, she just wanted total victory.
 
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No. Golda Meir was saying there would be peace until Arabs have been so terrorised into submission that they are too scared to lose more, and are cowed and pliant.

A very fascist approach by a colonialist to native people.
And entirely unrealistic, when the avowed intention of Zionism was to deprive all non-Jews in Palestine of land, liberty and life.

She never wanted peace. Like other Israeli leaders, she just wanted total victory.
Golda Meir - Wikiquote
  • I prefer to stay alive and be criticized than be sympathized.
 
Then go to New York and be a stand up comedian. You have the material.
 
Then do it in a democracy, not as a racist state for approved types only.

Stop with the oppression. Or make it a hell hole with yourself decaying morally each day.
 
Then do it in a democracy, not as a racist state for approved types only.

Stop with the oppression. Or make it a hell hole with yourself decaying morally each day.
But of course the US supports an apartheid state!!
Sure keep telling those lies to an Israeli.
I wonder what democracy have to do with your friends in Gaza, Hamas.
 

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