A winning Afghanistan strategy?

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    The US has lost the war in Afghanistan. So, why doesn't the pentagon do this as follows. Tell the Pakistani Pashtun tribes to annex the Pashtun lands of Afghanistan, which is like a third of that country. Then the pentagon could tell the Kirghiz tribes to take the north, and declare the east as a new independent country, under the there operating "Alliance". This way, Afghanistan will be just a quarter of what it is now, so a lot easier to control from Washington. Your take?
     
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    Your are making it to complicated.

    It does not make any difference if you separate this, or separate that.

    If you take 10 tracts of land and separate them into tracts of two, for a group 5 tracts.....your tracts are separated...but you still have ten tracts. You are not fighting soil, or real-estate ; you are fighting and enemy force that is very mobile - blends in with the civilian populace.....and gets intelligence from a civilian populace and corrupt politicians and corrupt military leaders.

    It would take U.S Special Operations to go in and train the inside population in fighting, guerilla warfare, urban combat, low intensity conflict, "Buddy Aid ( First Aid ) , and some other classes. Just like the Vietnam conflict - especially in this conflict.....you need a force multiplier. The Morale inside those countries needs lifted greatly from so many years of being beaten down and oppressed. The Taliban ruled........and ruled with a fist greater than the Nazi's. Spurts of conflict does not win a conflict. You start at one edge of the area , country, city, or what ever.....and you go the end.....eradicating the enemy, as well as enemy support. Special Forces Psychological Warfare folks lets the hidden insurgents and support people know what will happen if they are caught----> and it is not pretty. Discourage any more uprising, support, intelligence. The enemy withers.

    It takes intelligence and support to win a conflict or war. You have to know whom you are fighting, where they are, and identify their support. You have to know the size and scope of the enemy force, where they are and where they "Lick their wounds" at. You do not show up inside the battle space and start shooting...you are wasting your time if you do.

    Type of enemy - size of enemy - enemy support - enemy communications - scope of enemy personnel - the morale of the enemy. ( God I miss Military S-2 Work ) .

    Don't make the conflict and intelligence gathering complicated. Complicated = your forces getting confused and unsure. So.....keep it all simple. Especially in briefing the battlefield Commander - make your presentation as brief but as thorough as you can. Don't clog the brain of the people you are briefing. Speak with confidence and be sure of yourself. Anticipate questions and have answers for those questions. For Gods sake even if it is your first brief.....act like you know what you are doing ; and that you know what you are talking about. No Commander wants an Idiot to brief him.

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    Very interesting. This opens the question, what the parameters of divide-and-conquer are in general. In Europe, the divide-and-conques strategy is currently used, for example in the division of Yugoslavia and the Ukraine. Looks like a similar approach is forecasted to fail in Afghanistan. Why is that? I speculate, that the various tribes of Afghanistan will keep the war going in a color favorable to the US, if the US divides that land in a way that some of the tribes can cash in on it. Are you saying that the size of the enemy is not the dominant factor in managing Afghanistan?
     
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    Gonna pass it off to the next President...

    Is Obama Kicking the Can Down the Road on Afghanistan?
    October 17, 2015 | WASHINGTON— Analysts have mixed assessments of President Barack Obama's announcement Thursday that American troops will remain in Afghanistan at the current level of 9,800 throughout 2016 and then be reduced to around 5,500 troops in 2017. Some analysts suggest that the U.S. decision to maintain current troop levels in Afghanistan is basically kicking the can down the road.
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    Afghan Military Officer Deserts in US, Arrested in Montana
    Oct 16, 2015 — An Afghan military officer who deserted last month while participating in a training program in the U.S. was arrested on a Washington-state bound Amtrak train, U.S. Border Patrol agents said Thursday.

     
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    There is a big difference between political strategy and military strategy. The last time we had a winning military strategy was in Iraq and everybody on the left criticized Bush for it and made sure our political strategy would end in failure. Democrats tried to undermine the military strategy for eight years and under Barry Hussein we have no military strategy and our political strategy is in chaos.
     
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    The only winning strategy would be for the U.S. to get out of Afghanistan. ....... :cool:
     
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    The only winning strategy would be to nuke the whole place over and over and over again. Then use napalm, sarin and mustard gas to clean up the roaches.
     

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