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[TroglocratsRdumb]

Arizona. Not a bastion of liberalism, progressivism or tolerance, has for once don the right thing.

Breaking: Arizona Governor Signs "No Promo Homo" Repeal

Yesterday we reported on the announcement that the Arizona AG’s office informed legislature that they would not be defending lawsuits against the state’s sexual education requirements that were discriminatory towards LGBTQ+ youth.

B1346 Repeals Homophobic Education Statute
Shortly after yesterday’s post the Arizona House voted to repeal the offending legislation by a vote of 55-5. Today the state Senate followed suit with a vote of 19-10-1, and Governor Doug Ducey (R-AZ) just announced via twitter that he has signed the bill, eliminating what amounted to a ban on teaching about homosexuality in sexual education classes across the state.
SB1346 repeals a key section of Arizona Revised Statute 15-716(C), which previously stated that:

C. No district shall include in its course of study instruction which:

1. Promotes a homosexual life-style.

2. Portrays homosexuality as a positive alternative life-style.

3. Suggests that some methods of sex are safe methods of homosexual sex.

Repeal Signals Inclusive Shift in Arizona Politics

Good for Arizona . Children are not stupid but they do need support and encouragement to learn how to live in the real world where people of diverse sexual orientations and gender identities exist . Not the fantasy world of denial created by conservatives and religious who want to pretend that the world is a different place that it really is.

LGBTQ people exist. Children will encounter them in life and the must learn to be respectful and understanding of these differences. For children who are LGBTQ, this sort of education helps them to feel safe and included, and instills a positive self image. The alternative is despair , and self destructive behavior .

So does that mean that grooming in the public schools is legal now?

You don't seem to get any smarter as we go along, Bubba

yea, it's grooming

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I am well aware of the fact that it is not the same thing. The issue is about how educators respond to children who have issues with gender identity or sexual orientation. Get it now?

What about kids who are fat, ugly, dumb, bad at sports, etc... I mean kids deal with all kinds of issues but you choose this one? Why?

According to post 17 you would tell him it was great to be fat and feed him all donuts and ice cream he wants.

Horseshit! That is a pathetically obvious false equivalency logical fallacy, not to mention a red herring fallacy intended to divert attention from the real issue. Plus it is just stupid.

I actually believe the example is a valid one.

You can also believe that flying unicorns are are real. Doesn't make it so

Apples and oranges

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I think treating it vs accepting it is the solution but I am not a doctor. We cuddle kids too much these days IMO. Many kids are just lazy for instance and we label them as having learning disabilities...

And exactly how do you "treat it" ? Reparative therapy?

Being gay is not a disease you don’t “treat” it. Trans you tell them you cannot change your gender just like someone who is short cannot become tall. You treat them by having them be happy with who they are.

You seem to be terribly confused. You just contradicted yourself. First it was "treating it is the solution" Now this ? WTF

That is treating gender dysphoria. My kids are relatively young but they know what gay is, accept it and don’t care. Trans is a whole other matter hence IMO you should not lump the two together.

You sound like a broken record prattling on about "lumping the two together" which is not what I did. Mean while, you completely avoided making a clear and concise statement as to how the educational system should address gender dysphoria OR sexual orientation issue which arise.

Case by case basis and only if absolutely necessary

 

[Slyhunter]

It is neither scientifically valid nor morally acceptable for the government to normalize faggots and freaks. It will always be abnormal and abhorrent political theatrics.

Right! That is real helpful for the kids. Read my post #17 idiot! Try formulating an intelligent response if you can.

You're a moron and that's the dumbest post I ever read here. Any parent that teaches their child it's ok to be a freak or a faggot should be jailed.

It's apparent that you have a serious problem with reading comprehension. You people dumb it down to the gutter with no real understanding of what these kids are experiencing while denying the scientific evidence that it far more that "just in their heads" Not only are you ignorant , but you are an ignorant bigot who is afraid to learn because doing so will undermine your pre conceived, idiotic ideas. Meanwhile, you and others here can not articulate a rational response to the question of how to best help these kids. People like you who would reject and marginalize them perpetuate the cycle of bullying, suicide and other mental health issues. You should be ashamed but your are apparently to fucking stupid to understand why.

Have dick, is a guy. You're the one ignoring Science.

 

[Slyhunter]

I am well aware of the fact that it is not the same thing. The issue is about how educators respond to children who have issues with gender identity or sexual orientation. Get it now?

What about kids who are fat, ugly, dumb, bad at sports, etc... I mean kids deal with all kinds of issues but you choose this one? Why?

According to post 17 you would tell him it was great to be fat and feed him all donuts and ice cream he wants.

Horseshit! That is a pathetically obvious false equivalency logical fallacy, not to mention a red herring fallacy intended to divert attention from the real issue. Plus it is just stupid.

I actually believe the example is a valid one.

You can also believe that flying unicorns are are real. Doesn't make it so

Doesn't make a person with a dick, not a guy either.

 

[miketx]

 

[Slyhunter]

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If Homosexuality is Genetic we can someday cure Homosexuality by Aborting the faggots.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Arizona. Not a bastion of liberalism, progressivism or tolerance, has for once don the right thing.

Breaking: Arizona Governor Signs "No Promo Homo" Repeal

Yesterday we reported on the announcement that the Arizona AG’s office informed legislature that they would not be defending lawsuits against the state’s sexual education requirements that were discriminatory towards LGBTQ+ youth.

B1346 Repeals Homophobic Education Statute
Shortly after yesterday’s post the Arizona House voted to repeal the offending legislation by a vote of 55-5. Today the state Senate followed suit with a vote of 19-10-1, and Governor Doug Ducey (R-AZ) just announced via twitter that he has signed the bill, eliminating what amounted to a ban on teaching about homosexuality in sexual education classes across the state.
SB1346 repeals a key section of Arizona Revised Statute 15-716(C), which previously stated that:

C. No district shall include in its course of study instruction which:

1. Promotes a homosexual life-style.

2. Portrays homosexuality as a positive alternative life-style.

3. Suggests that some methods of sex are safe methods of homosexual sex.

Repeal Signals Inclusive Shift in Arizona Politics

Good for Arizona . Children are not stupid but they do need support and encouragement to learn how to live in the real world where people of diverse sexual orientations and gender identities exist . Not the fantasy world of denial created by conservatives and religious who want to pretend that the world is a different place that it really is.

LGBTQ people exist. Children will encounter them in life and the must learn to be respectful and understanding of these differences. For children who are LGBTQ, this sort of education helps them to feel safe and included, and instills a positive self image. The alternative is despair , and self destructive behavior .

Ah, so the grooming of little boys can resume in Arizona schools.

No wonder you're so happy...

Yet another moron weighs in

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

And exactly how do you "treat it" ? Reparative therapy?

Being gay is not a disease you don’t “treat” it. Trans you tell them you cannot change your gender just like someone who is short cannot become tall. You treat them by having them be happy with who they are.

You seem to be terribly confused. You just contradicted yourself. First it was "treating it is the solution" Now this ? WTF

That is treating gender dysphoria. My kids are relatively young but they know what gay is, accept it and don’t care. Trans is a whole other matter hence IMO you should not lump the two together.

You sound like a broken record prattling on about "lumping the two together" which is not what I did. Mean while, you completely avoided making a clear and concise statement as to how the educational system should address gender dysphoria OR sexual orientation issue which arise.

Case by case basis and only if absolutely necessary

What the hell does that even mean. That is a pathetic excuse for an answer. You don't really have an answer, obviously

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Being gay is not a disease you don’t “treat” it. Trans you tell them you cannot change your gender just like someone who is short cannot become tall. You treat them by having them be happy with who they are.

You seem to be terribly confused. You just contradicted yourself. First it was "treating it is the solution" Now this ? WTF

That is treating gender dysphoria. My kids are relatively young but they know what gay is, accept it and don’t care. Trans is a whole other matter hence IMO you should not lump the two together.

You sound like a broken record prattling on about "lumping the two together" which is not what I did. Mean while, you completely avoided making a clear and concise statement as to how the educational system should address gender dysphoria OR sexual orientation issue which arise.

Case by case basis and only if absolutely necessary

What the hell does that even mean. That is a pathetic excuse for an answer. You don't really have an answer, obviously

I do You’re just not listening to it. Kids always have fire drills in MA we don’t have hurricane drills. If one is in the area we may. So trans people are few and far between so don’t make it a subject unless there is one in the school. Concentrate on kids with shitty parents, fat, dumb, destructive, etc.

You only see what you want to see and you lash out because I dare disagree with you. That makes you a fascist

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Just because you are a fudge packer, doesnt [sic] mean other people want to be fudge packing. But to have Marxism in the world, you must first destroy the normalcy of civilization. Rome did it, now you want the US to do it. So instead of helping the kids be normal and boys be boys, girls be girls, you want to really fuck with their minds and turn them into sexual deviants who cut themselves and inject harmful hormones into their system just to appease their liberal whacko parents. This is why liberals never learn, they just keep doing the fucked up things over and over, expecting a different result.

Isn't it funny that the same piece of s••• who openly wants to do that to children, is the one who accuses those of us who want to protect children from this filth of wanting to…

…reject and marginalize them perpetuate the cycle of bullying, suicide and other mental health issues.

He openly seeks to severely f••• up children, ruining them for life, while falsely accusing those of us who want to protect children from filth such as himself of being the ones who want to do that.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You seem to be terribly confused. You just contradicted yourself. First it was "treating it is the solution" Now this ? WTF

That is treating gender dysphoria. My kids are relatively young but they know what gay is, accept it and don’t care. Trans is a whole other matter hence IMO you should not lump the two together.

You sound like a broken record prattling on about "lumping the two together" which is not what I did. Mean while, you completely avoided making a clear and concise statement as to how the educational system should address gender dysphoria OR sexual orientation issue which arise.

Case by case basis and only if absolutely necessary

What the hell does that even mean. That is a pathetic excuse for an answer. You don't really have an answer, obviously

I do You’re just not listening to it. Kids always have fire drills in MA we don’t have hurricane drills. If one is in the area we may. So trans people are few and far between so don’t make it a subject unless there is one in the school. Concentrate on kids with shitty parents, fat, dumb, destructive, etc.
You only see what you want to see and you lash out because I dare disagree with you. That makes you a fascist

No you are not listening. The op is not just about Trans kids. And, There is little doubt that there at least a few lgbtq kids in every school- and that all kids are aware of the issue. I'm not lashing out because you disagree. I am being critical of you lack of a viable policy to address the issue outlines in the OP. Instead, you keep tossing out logical fallacies, this time a red herring about shitty parents.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

And exactly how do you "treat it" ? Reparative therapy?

Young children don't “come out” as sexual deviants, unless some perverted piece of sh•• adult is intentionally filling their heads with that sh••.

First step, arrest those perverts, throw them in prison for life, and never, ever, under any circumstances, allow them any access to children again.

As for repairing the damage that these perverts have done, that's above my pay grade, but certainly, it doesn't involve reinforcing the delusions that have been put into their heads.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That is treating gender dysphoria. My kids are relatively young but they know what gay is, accept it and don’t care. Trans is a whole other matter hence IMO you should not lump the two together.

You sound like a broken record prattling on about "lumping the two together" which is not what I did. Mean while, you completely avoided making a clear and concise statement as to how the educational system should address gender dysphoria OR sexual orientation issue which arise.

Case by case basis and only if absolutely necessary

What the hell does that even mean. That is a pathetic excuse for an answer. You don't really have an answer, obviously

I do You’re just not listening to it. Kids always have fire drills in MA we don’t have hurricane drills. If one is in the area we may. So trans people are few and far between so don’t make it a subject unless there is one in the school. Concentrate on kids with shitty parents, fat, dumb, destructive, etc.
You only see what you want to see and you lash out because I dare disagree with you. That makes you a fascist

No you are not listening. The op is not just about Trans kids. And, There is little doubt that there at least a few lgbtq kids in every school- and that all kids are aware of the issue. I'm not lashing out because you disagree. I am being critical of you lack of a viable policy to address the issue outlines in the OP. Instead, you keep tossing out logical fallacies, this time a red herring about shitty parents.

Long story short I would treat it like I would divorced or interracial parents. Address it if it comes up but let the kids figure it out on their own.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Blaylock, anyone who imagines that they see child sexual abuse at every turn has got to be one fucking sick pervert. Clearly you are projecting your own sick fantasies .Get help!!

You're the one who is openly, blatantly advocating the sexual abuse of children. Every sane person who reads what you've written here and elsewhere on this forum, can clearly see this. You're the one who advocates filling children's heads with perverted filth, to turn them into sexual deviants and f••• them up for life. You're the one who needs “help”, preferably in the form of being cast into the ocean with a millstone around your neck.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So does that mean that grooming in the public schools is legal now?

Here, in California, it is actually required by law.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No one cares if you like butt sex. Just leave the kids alone!

His agenda is specifically about children. “Just leave the kids alone” goes against his purpose.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Address it if it comes up but let the kids figure it out on their own.

That is a contradictory statement that makes know sense. "Address it...."? What does that mean? How does that reconcile with "let the kids figure it out on their own"?

 

[Slyhunter]

Address it if it comes up but let the kids figure it out on their own.

That is a contradictory statement that makes know sense. "Address it...."? What does that mean? How does that reconcile with "let the kids figure it out on their own"?

The same way they figure out Santa. When they're ready.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 3.27.15

Many people who rail against the ubiquitous of LGBTQ issues deluded themselves into believing that if we do not support homosexuality and transgender phenomena, the issue will somehow go away. They rail against the idea children will be "taught homosexuality".

However they do not actually understand what that means and most often believe, or claim to believe , that it means that children will be taught TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, or encourage to be homosexual-or transgender. That of course is ridiculous, dishonest, and ignorant. What it means is that children will be taught to be respectful and accepting of those who are different, and that includes an acceptance of themselves if they are the ones who are different.

Yes, some children will come out sooner as LGBT in a trusting and supportive environment but that is not to be confused with making them gay, or encouraging them to be gay. It is giving them permission and encouraging them to be true to themselves rather than live a life of repression, guilt, un-fulfillment and misery. LGBT issues and people are a part of modern culture and depriving gays rights will not change that and you can’t shield the children from it.

Children always have and always will struggle with their developing sexuality including sexual orientation and gender identity issues. In the past, for the most part, children were left to try to understand these things alone and in silence. They would feel guilty and confused about any sexual matters and especially any LGBT issues. Today, there is much open discussion about these issues-in the print and social media, among peers, on television, just about everywhere. In this electronic society where kids spend much of their days on line, it cannot be avoided. Many children know an LGBT child or adult. Children hear and see this all, and like it or not, they are very much aware. As we progress as a society, more and more of that discussion is positive, and young people are much more accepting of those who are different than many adults care to imagine. There is nothing short of criminalizing these lifestyles, and snuffing out free speech-in effect becoming Russia-that anybody can do about it. Can anyone dispute or refute any part of this statement?

My next question is: What do parents, educators and the rest of us do when these issues come up? Here are some options:

1. Do nothing, be silent. Leave the children to their own devices to figure things out for themselves. After all, that’s the way it was 30, 40, 50 years ago and everything was just fine. Or was it? In any case, this is now, times are different and sexuality is a much more salient part of life and discourse. This may not be a great option, if it ever was.

2. Condemn homosexuality and transgender issues openly and vehemently. Doing so will have the effect of marginalizing LGBT kids, crushing them with guilt, and setting them up for bullying. Then all that will be left to do is to keep tract of the suicides, bullying incidents and mass shootings.

3. Engage in constructive dialogue with the kids and among ourselves as adults. Dispense with the hysteria and misinformation and start to deal with this as part of our human experience. We could dispense with rhetoric about “promoting homosexuality and transgenderism ” and the scare tactics such as it leading to incest, polygamy and bestiality. Rather, the emphasis would be on human relations, not sex because relationships are really what it’s about. We could just let kids know that they are OK and loved no matter who and what they are…….because whatever they are, that’s what they are going to be. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to make a choice between ideology and religion on one hand, and the children that we claim to care so much about on the other. The only question is ….will they be happy, confident and secure, or guilt ridden, miserable and confused.

However, you still have those who want to pretend that the issue will just go away. That is ignorant and dangerous. Fortunately , one community had the good sense to know it is wrong and fought back:

Community Protests Attempt To Remove LGBT Information From Health Classes

Indian River, Delaware Board of Education member Shaun Fink wants to remove all LGBT references from school Health classes, saying he has "issues with teaching it's ok to be gay".

About 100 students, parents, members LGBT community and their straight allies turned up at a meeting of the Indian Rivers, Delaware, Board of Education meeting this week, hoping for a chance to speak. The protesters object to a move afoot by at least one board member to remove the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender, from the district's Health curriculum.
Cole Haden, a senior at Sussex High School was visibly angry, locking eyes with Shaun Fink as he spoke:

"Mr. Fink, I would like to thank you for allowing me to have a chance to stand for LGBTQA equality and engage my peers in a conversation about fairness and tolerance, which you seemingly haven't contributed to. You have fueled a fire long waiting to erupt. However, I can't thank you too much, for as a LGBTQA student at Sussex Central High School, and the district that you heartly govern, you have done the school district and the community a great disservice by allowing your personal faith to interfere with your professional work."

Now with that in mind, allow me to refer you to mu post#17 Then tell us, what would you do to prevent bullying, suicide and substance abuse in this population. It takes a special kind of stupid not to be able to understand what the real issue here is, and what is at stake, so I'm sure that you will have a very appropriate and sensitive response.

You have to offer one single intelligent suggestion as to how to do that , nor have you responded to post 17 which I directed you to.

OK, here it is again

LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 3.27.15

Many people who rail against the ubiquitous of LGBTQ issues deluded themselves into believing that if we do not support homosexuality and transgender phenomena, the issue will somehow go away. They rail against the idea children will be "taught homosexuality".

However they do not actually understand what that means and most often believe, or claim to believe , that it means that children will be taught TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, or encourage to be homosexual-or transgender. That of course is ridiculous, dishonest, and ignorant. What it means is that children will be taught to be respectful and accepting of those who are different, and that includes an acceptance of themselves if they are the ones who are different.

Yes, some children will come out sooner as LGBT in a trusting and supportive environment but that is not to be confused with making them gay, or encouraging them to be gay. It is giving them permission and encouraging them to be true to themselves rather than live a life of repression, guilt, un-fulfillment and misery. LGBT issues and people are a part of modern culture and depriving gays rights will not change that and you can’t shield the children from it.

Children always have and always will struggle with their developing sexuality including sexual orientation and gender identity issues. In the past, for the most part, children were left to try to understand these things alone and in silence. They would feel guilty and confused about any sexual matters and especially any LGBT issues. Today, there is much open discussion about these issues-in the print and social media, among peers, on television, just about everywhere. In this electronic society where kids spend much of their days on line, it cannot be avoided. Many children know an LGBT child or adult. Children hear and see this all, and like it or not, they are very much aware. As we progress as a society, more and more of that discussion is positive, and young people are much more accepting of those who are different than many adults care to imagine. There is nothing short of criminalizing these lifestyles, and snuffing out free speech-in effect becoming Russia-that anybody can do about it. Can anyone dispute or refute any part of this statement?

My next question is: What do parents, educators and the rest of us do when these issues come up? Here are some options:

1. Do nothing, be silent. Leave the children to their own devices to figure things out for themselves. After all, that’s the way it was 30, 40, 50 years ago and everything was just fine. Or was it? In any case, this is now, times are different and sexuality is a much more salient part of life and discourse. This may not be a great option, if it ever was.

2. Condemn homosexuality and transgender issues openly and vehemently. Doing so will have the effect of marginalizing LGBT kids, crushing them with guilt, and setting them up for bullying. Then all that will be left to do is to keep tract of the suicides, bullying incidents and mass shootings.

3. Engage in constructive dialogue with the kids and among ourselves as adults. Dispense with the hysteria and misinformation and start to deal with this as part of our human experience. We could dispense with rhetoric about “promoting homosexuality and transgenderism ” and the scare tactics such as it leading to incest, polygamy and bestiality. Rather, the emphasis would be on human relations, not sex because relationships are really what it’s about. We could just let kids know that they are OK and loved no matter who and what they are…….because whatever they are, that’s what they are going to be. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to make a choice between ideology and religion on one hand, and the children that we claim to care so much about on the other. The only question is ….will they be happy, confident and secure, or guilt ridden, miserable and confused.

However, you still have those who want to pretend that the issue will just go away. That is ignorant and dangerous. Fortunately , one community had the good sense to know it is wrong and fought back:

Community Protests Attempt To Remove LGBT Information From Health Classes

Indian River, Delaware Board of Education member Shaun Fink wants to remove all LGBT references from school Health classes, saying he has "issues with teaching it's ok to be gay".

About 100 students, parents, members LGBT community and their straight allies turned up at a meeting of the Indian Rivers, Delaware, Board of Education meeting this week, hoping for a chance to speak. The protesters object to a move afoot by at least one board member to remove the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender, from the district's Health curriculum.
Cole Haden, a senior at Sussex High School was visibly angry, locking eyes with Shaun Fink as he spoke:

"Mr. Fink, I would like to thank you for allowing me to have a chance to stand for LGBTQA equality and engage my peers in a conversation about fairness and tolerance, which you seemingly haven't contributed to. You have fueled a fire long waiting to erupt. However, I can't thank you too much, for as a LGBTQA student at Sussex Central High School, and the district that you heartly govern, you have done the school district and the community a great disservice by allowing your personal faith to interfere with your professional work."

It is neither scientifically valid nor morally acceptable for the government to normalize faggots and freaks. It will always be abnormal and abhorrent political theatrics.

Right! That is real helpful for the kids. Read my post #17 idiot! Try formulating an intelligent response if you can.

You're still not addressing the issue of school policy that was raised in the op and later me in post 17. We are getting nowhere here

Your post 17 is pseudoscientific bullshit; and every sane person can clearly see it as such. Male and female are biological traits, defined by objective, observable biological parameters. Only someone who is a mentally- and morally f•••ed up freak thinks that one can have the biological traits of one sex, and in any meaningful way be the opposite sex or gender. That's just insane bullshit.