A Tale of Two Surges

I'll tell you when I'm POTUS.
What is clear is that the present policy is a failure.

You are such a chicken-shit. You don't know what to do in Afghanistan, and you aren't really interested in discussing any sort of way forward.

Again, your only interest is seeing Obama embarrassed.

Again, you are a fucking ghoul.
 
Daddy was smart enough to know it would turn into a clusterfuck the first time and didn't want to inherit a nation building operation, which is why we didn't go into Baghdad and remove Saddam. We got them out of Kuwait and the stated objectives were accomplished. It was a smart move. Of course, Daddy knew his ass from a hole in the ground because he ran the CIA for a few years and was capable of assessing these things.

Junior was just a fuck up. He should personally kiss the ass of every American Serviceman and woman who served in Iraq. Because it if wasn't for their blood, sweat, and tears in stabilizing Iraq, Bush would most likely be impeached and in prison right now.

This is exactly right.

The reason Bush 1 didn't go into Iraq is to avoid exactly what happened when Sonny Boy did it.

And it's too bad thousand of our military people had be be killed to see that.

No, that isn't the reason. Bush I did not go into Iraq because he had no mandate from the UN. Bush II did go into Iraq because he a mandate from the UN.
See the difference?
I guess we're through now. Your lies, half truths, distortions and lefty talking points have been dismembered. Maybe you could take up knitting?

You think we're through? Not hardly.

I will never back down from anyone who has such an obvious dislike for the military that they would support sending them off to fight and die for no good reason.

People like you who have such disrespect and callous disregard for our men and women in uniform and could not care less if they die for no good reason better never call themselves patriotic.
 
I'll tell you when I'm POTUS.
What is clear is that the present policy is a failure.

You are such a chicken-shit. You don't know what to do in Afghanistan, and you aren't really interested in discussing any sort of way forward.

Again, your only interest is seeing Obama embarrassed.

Again, you are a fucking ghoul.

tell me what your idea is. Someone suggested sending money would be a good one. Bullshit. There isn't a good solution. Every solution is bad.
You're a turd-head of epic proportions. You expect ready made easy to understand answers. Sorry, pal. Life isn't like that always.
I know Obama's policy is a failure. It pains me that our soldiers are getting killed over a failed policy. But hey, you voted for him. It's your fault.
 
This is exactly right.

The reason Bush 1 didn't go into Iraq is to avoid exactly what happened when Sonny Boy did it.

And it's too bad thousand of our military people had be be killed to see that.

No, that isn't the reason. Bush I did not go into Iraq because he had no mandate from the UN. Bush II did go into Iraq because he a mandate from the UN.
See the difference?
I guess we're through now. Your lies, half truths, distortions and lefty talking points have been dismembered. Maybe you could take up knitting?

You think we're through? Not hardly.

I will never back down from anyone who has such an obvious dislike for the military that they would support sending them off to fight and die for no good reason.

People like you who have such disrespect and callous disregard for our men and women in uniform and could not care less if they die for no good reason better never call themselves patriotic.

So why do you support tyhe Democrats, who could have stopped both the Iraq War and the Afghan war but instead continued to fund them both?
You're a fucking hypocrite of mind numbing dimensions. And an incompetent to boot.
 
I love the way the right says we "WON" something in Iraq. I don't know how many times I have heard them say, "We liberated Iraq and it's now a democracy".

When I point out, "No, Iraq is a hard right Islamic Theocracy", they laugh and point and say, "How idiotic". Then, when I quote the Iraqi Constitution:

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution - washingtonpost.com

They come back with, "Oh, that's the OLD constitution".

Then I point out, "No, Iraq was a secular country".

Then they say, "But Saddam was a bad man".

Then I say, "Yea, we always knew that, but now it's worse".

Then they say, "No, Iraq is now free".

Then I point out that, "Women are now in burkas and are pretty much slaves".

Then they say, "So were women under Saddam".

Then I say, "No, women under Saddam were able to attend school, divorce, wear western clothes, have a job and go out alone".

Then they say, "But Democrats didn't like Saddam either".

Then I say, "Yes, but they didn't invade Iraq. In fact, Bush's FATHER didn't invade Iraq".

That's where those on the right lose it. When their delusions are threatened, they start calling you names.

Remember, even George Bush thought the Iraqi's were "ungrateful". After all he did for them. And they didn't even ask for his help.

i think you are more describing iran. iraq is a better place, because the free world helped them out. we could have helped iran, but obama blew it. why people continue to defend saddam is amazing

Article 5: The law is sovereign. The people are the source of authorities and its legitimacy, which the people shall exercise in a direct general secret ballot and through their constitutional institutions.

Unfortunately, that shows how little you know. They vote in Iran, the same as Iraq. In fact, the reason the countries are so close now is because they are nearly mirror images.

You can pull any quote out of the Iraqi constitution, but this is the only one that matters:

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.


Try to figure out why. Think, "Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation". No where in Islam does it say you can't vote.

Now, think about the Christian population in Iraq. It used to be around 1.4 million. Current estimates are 3 to 4 hundred thousand. The Republican Party is 90% white and mostly Christian. Have they made a mistake and supported the genocide of Iraqi Christians? If not, how has the population dropped by a million? That never would have happened without the American Right wing's involvement in Iraq.

Now the two most important questions:

"Where are those people now"?

"Who is responsible for them"?


They vote in Iran, the same as Iraq.


you're joking right ?
 
No, that isn't the reason. Bush I did not go into Iraq because he had no mandate from the UN. Bush II did go into Iraq because he a mandate from the UN.
See the difference?
I guess we're through now. Your lies, half truths, distortions and lefty talking points have been dismembered. Maybe you could take up knitting?

You think we're through? Not hardly.

I will never back down from anyone who has such an obvious dislike for the military that they would support sending them off to fight and die for no good reason.

People like you who have such disrespect and callous disregard for our men and women in uniform and could not care less if they die for no good reason better never call themselves patriotic.

So why do you support tyhe Democrats, who could have stopped both the Iraq War and the Afghan war but instead continued to fund them both?
You're a fucking hypocrite of mind numbing dimensions. And an incompetent to boot.

And why do you still support Bush and his decision to send our troops off to fight and die FOR NO GOOD REASON?

With Americans like you we don't need enemies.
 
You think we're through? Not hardly.

I will never back down from anyone who has such an obvious dislike for the military that they would support sending them off to fight and die for no good reason.

People like you who have such disrespect and callous disregard for our men and women in uniform and could not care less if they die for no good reason better never call themselves patriotic.

So why do you support tyhe Democrats, who could have stopped both the Iraq War and the Afghan war but instead continued to fund them both?
You're a fucking hypocrite of mind numbing dimensions. And an incompetent to boot.

And why do you still support Bush and his decision to send our troops off to fight and die FOR NO GOOD REASON?

With Americans like you we don't need enemies.


Bush is out of office...and yet you idiots cannot deal with the fact that Obama is still plying the game and making it worse...and blaming Bush for Bammy's failure...

Why is that?
 
So why do you support tyhe Democrats, who could have stopped both the Iraq War and the Afghan war but instead continued to fund them both?
You're a fucking hypocrite of mind numbing dimensions. And an incompetent to boot.

And why do you still support Bush and his decision to send our troops off to fight and die FOR NO GOOD REASON?

With Americans like you we don't need enemies.


Bush is out of office...and yet you idiots cannot deal with the fact that Obama is still plying the game and making it worse...and blaming Bush for Bammy's failure...

Why is that?

More like the other way around. You need to stop blaming President Obama for the Shrub's failure.
 
You think we're through? Not hardly.

I will never back down from anyone who has such an obvious dislike for the military that they would support sending them off to fight and die for no good reason.

People like you who have such disrespect and callous disregard for our men and women in uniform and could not care less if they die for no good reason better never call themselves patriotic.

So why do you support tyhe Democrats, who could have stopped both the Iraq War and the Afghan war but instead continued to fund them both?
You're a fucking hypocrite of mind numbing dimensions. And an incompetent to boot.

And why do you still support Bush and his decision to send our troops off to fight and die FOR NO GOOD REASON?

With Americans like you we don't need enemies.

There were plenty of good reasons.
Why did you vote for Democrats in 2006, 2008, and 2010 when they continued to send Americans into harm's way FOR NO GOOD REASON??
Is it because your union bosses told you Jump and you asked how high?
 
So why do you support tyhe Democrats, who could have stopped both the Iraq War and the Afghan war but instead continued to fund them both?
You're a fucking hypocrite of mind numbing dimensions. And an incompetent to boot.

And why do you still support Bush and his decision to send our troops off to fight and die FOR NO GOOD REASON?

With Americans like you we don't need enemies.

There were plenty of good reasons.
Why did you vote for Democrats in 2006, 2008, and 2010 when they continued to send Americans into harm's way FOR NO GOOD REASON??
Is it because your union bosses told you Jump and you asked how high?

Ahhhh....the classic "I can't win this argument so I'm changing the subject" ploy. :lol:

C'mon now....I'm sure you can at least try. Here, let me get you started......

"I can justify the invasion and the deaths of our troops because _________________."
 
And why do you still support Bush and his decision to send our troops off to fight and die FOR NO GOOD REASON?

With Americans like you we don't need enemies.


Bush is out of office...and yet you idiots cannot deal with the fact that Obama is still plying the game and making it worse...and blaming Bush for Bammy's failure...

Why is that?

More like the other way around. You need to stop blaming President Obama for the Shrub's failure.

But yet Obama and the Statist Congress have (had) it in their power to fold the tents...defund it...but didn't. Why?

So far? You are pretty damned weak.
 
Bush is out of office...and yet you idiots cannot deal with the fact that Obama is still plying the game and making it worse...and blaming Bush for Bammy's failure...

Why is that?

More like the other way around. You need to stop blaming President Obama for the Shrub's failure.

But yet Obama and the Statist Congress have (had) it in their power to fold the tents...defund it...but didn't. Why?

So far? You are pretty damned weak.

C'mon, you too.

"I can justify the invasion and the deaths of our troops because _________________."
 
More like the other way around. You need to stop blaming President Obama for the Shrub's failure.

But yet Obama and the Statist Congress have (had) it in their power to fold the tents...defund it...but didn't. Why?

So far? You are pretty damned weak.

C'mon, you too.

"I can justify the invasion and the deaths of our troops because _________________."

Keep trying to obfuscate around the question. You fail. Admit it.
 
But yet Obama and the Statist Congress have (had) it in their power to fold the tents...defund it...but didn't. Why?

So far? You are pretty damned weak.

C'mon, you too.

"I can justify the invasion and the deaths of our troops because _________________."

Keep trying to obfuscate around the question. You fail. Admit it.

Nope. YOU'RE the one who failed the troops by supporting needless deaths. You can sure tell that theirs deaths mean nothing to you.
 
Just that.

That's all you can do when the CINC is a fucking moron who decides to put a conflict in the "Graveyard Of Superpowers" on the back burner while charging into another conflict.

Bush could have been great. If he'd have flooded Afghansitan with every available soldier and Marine right after the SF teams took out the Taliban and dumped a ton of money, time and resources in Afghanistan in the three to four years the Taliban was reeling after Tora Bora, the situation would be much different now.

Instead, he decided to ignore Afghanistan for five years and start a new war under false pretenses.

And you guys would have us believe that Obama is the one that fucked this situation up.

I actually agree with you strategically. I do. I think the reason Bush went into Iraq, was because if he didn't go when he did, it would probably been halted. I would have preferred a Stabilized Afghanistan with new hope, and a working model, before starting anything else. We lost it in Afghanistan with the Cease Fires, Player's changing sides, Bin Laden cornered, and we hand it over to the locals. Who's fucking idea was that? The State Department's? How much do they need to fuck up, before we learn to ignore them?

It's not the State Department's fault. They are a minor player. It was the SECDEF, the dismal failure Rumsfeld. We only really had Bin Ladin cornered in Tora Bora. Not surprisingly, the Pashtun double crossed us. Didn't take Kreskin to see that one coming.

If an honest person is capable of looking at these two conflicts from beginning to end (and not just focusing on the magical Iraqi "surge") they would realize that it was a comedy of errors from the get-go. Bush was a disaster.

He could have been great, but he wasn't.

I Highly recommend you check Out American Soldier" by Gen. Tommy Franks.
He laid it all out.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/American-Soldier-General-Tommy-Franks/dp/0060731583]Amazon.com: American Soldier (9780060731588): General Tommy Franks, Malcolm McConnell: Books[/ame]
 
And why do you still support Bush and his decision to send our troops off to fight and die FOR NO GOOD REASON?

With Americans like you we don't need enemies.

There were plenty of good reasons.
Why did you vote for Democrats in 2006, 2008, and 2010 when they continued to send Americans into harm's way FOR NO GOOD REASON??
Is it because your union bosses told you Jump and you asked how high?

Ahhhh....the classic "I can't win this argument so I'm changing the subject" ploy. :lol:

C'mon now....I'm sure you can at least try. Here, let me get you started......

"I can justify the invasion and the deaths of our troops because _________________."

Because an Ideology has declared a war on us and our way of life. No matter where we are, no matter what we do, they will seek us out and harm us. Our choice was to fight them on our terms, in their back yard, rather than wait for it to hit us on their terms.

Had I a say in Afghan Policy, I would have worked on securing the population centers, and building within the secured areas, infrastructure, and a better quality of life. I would expand on the formulas that showed the best promise. My biggest problem is with a Constitution that does not reflect an understanding of Unalienable Rights, which is the Foundation of Equal Rights and Equal Protection.
 
C'mon, you too.

"I can justify the invasion and the deaths of our troops because _________________."

Keep trying to obfuscate around the question. You fail. Admit it.

Nope. YOU'RE the one who failed the troops by supporting needless deaths. You can sure tell that theirs deaths mean nothing to you.

Keep trying to obfuscate around the question. You fail. Admit it.
 
No, that isn't the reason. Bush I did not go into Iraq because he had no mandate from the UN. Bush II did go into Iraq because he a mandate from the UN.
See the difference?
I guess we're through now. Your lies, half truths, distortions and lefty talking points have been dismembered. Maybe you could take up knitting?

You think we're through? Not hardly.

I will never back down from anyone who has such an obvious dislike for the military that they would support sending them off to fight and die for no good reason.

People like you who have such disrespect and callous disregard for our men and women in uniform and could not care less if they die for no good reason better never call themselves patriotic.

So why do you support tyhe Democrats, who could have stopped both the Iraq War and the Afghan war but instead continued to fund them both?
You're a fucking hypocrite of mind numbing dimensions. And an incompetent to boot.

You assume that people support a party as if it's one big blob.

You're an idiot.
 

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