A real conundrum

[Dale Smith]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Because God allows us "free will" and knows the true motives of the heart. My question to leftards is that if you are so concerned about illegals, why are you not opening up your home to an alleged family seeking refugee status???? Obviously you believe in "sanctuary for all" unless it affects your bottom line or is an inconvenience for you????

 

[Nosmo King]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

Do you use that same argument when discussing reparations?

Reparations is a topic not on the table in this discussion. Points for attempted d lectionaries.

Now, please rationalize why children should be made to suffer in a land Right Wingers say was based on Judeo-Christian ethics.

 

[Nosmo King]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Why haven't the democrats fast-tracked a bill for emergency toothbrush purchases?

Mitch McConnell.

Spending bills originate in the House.

Birmingham must then go through the Senate.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

So you want us to free them and let them end up in the underground market of God knows what?


.

That's not a choice. The actual choice is either provid them with decent safe and sanitary conditions or continue thempolicy of deliberate cruelty.

A few years back a fashion craze among Right Wingers was little fumband bracelets with WWJD embossed on them. My! How times have changed!

Stop fucking lying.





These kids are living in better conditions than in their home country.

 

[Dale Smith]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

They are aborted daily and for profit much of which is used to put funds in the coffers of leftards that keep the gravy train rolling......

 

[Nosmo King]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Because God allows us "free will" and knows the true motives of the heart. My question to leftards is that if you are so concerned about illegals, why are you not opening up your home to an alleged family seeking refugee status???? Obviously you believe in "sanctuary for all" unless it affects your bottom line or is an inconvenience for you????

Free will is the justification for maintaining unsanitary condition for children in American custody?

WWJD?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

Do you use that same argument when discussing reparations?

Reparations is a topic not on the table in this discussion. Points for attempted d lectionaries.

Now, please rationalize why children should be made to suffer in a land Right Wingers say was based on Judeo-Christian ethics.

As I said.
American kids lose their parents to incarceration on a daily basis....whose fault is it?

 

[Nosmo King]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

So you want us to free them and let them end up in the underground market of God knows what?


.

That's not a choice. The actual choice is either provid them with decent safe and sanitary conditions or continue thempolicy of deliberate cruelty.

A few years back a fashion craze among Right Wingers was little fumband bracelets with WWJD embossed on them. My! How times have changed!

Stop fucking lying.





These kids are living in better conditions than in their home country.

A chaotic scene of sickness and filth is unfolding in an overcrowded border station in Clint, Tex., where hundreds of young people who have recently crossed the border are being held, according to lawyers who visited the facility this week. Some of the children have been there for nearly a month. Children as young as 7 and 8, many of them wearing clothes caked with snot and tears, are caring for infants they’ve just met, the lawyers said. Toddlers without diapers are relieving themselves in their pants. Teenage mothers are wearing clothes stained with breast milk. Most of the young detainees have not been able to shower or wash their clothes since they arrived at the facility, those who visited said. They have no access to toothbrushes, toothpaste or soap. “There is a stench,” said Elora Mukherjee, director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School, one of the lawyers who visited the facility. “The overwhelming majority of children have not bathed since they crossed the border.” Conditions at Customs and Border Protection facilities along the border have been an issue of increasing concern as officials warn that the recent large influx of migrant families has driven many of the facilities well past their capacities. The border station in Clint is only one of those with problems. In May, the inspector general for the Department of Homeland Security warned of “dangerous overcrowding” among adult migrants housed at the border processing center in El Paso, with up to 900 migrants being held at a facility designed for 125. In some cases, cells designed for 35 people were holding 155 people. “Border Patrol agents told us some of the detainees had been held in standing-room-only conditions for days or weeks,” the inspector general’s office said in its report, which noted that some detainees were observed standing on toilets in the cells “to make room and gain breathing space, thus limiting access to the toilets.” Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas on Friday announced the deployment of 1,000 new National Guard troops to the border to help respond to the continuing new arrivals, which the governor said have amounted to more than 45,000 people from 52 countries over the past three weeks. “The crisis at our southern border is unlike anything we’ve witnessed before and has put an enormous strain on the existing resources we have in place,” Mr. Abbott said, adding, “Congress is a group of reprobates for not addressing the crisis on our border.” The number of border crossings appears to have slowed in recent weeks, possibly as a result of a crackdown by the Mexican government under pressure from President Trump, but the numbers remain high compared to recent years. The overcrowding crisis has been unfolding invisibly, with journalists and lawyers offered little access to fenced-off border facilities. The reports of unsafe and unsanitary conditions at Clint and elsewhere came days after government lawyers in court argued that they should not have to provide soap or toothbrushes to children under the legal settlement that gave Ms. Mukherjee and her colleagues access to the facility in Clint. The result of a lawsuit that was first settled in 1997, the settlement set the standards for the detention, treatment and release of migrant minors taken into federal immigration custody. Ms. Mukherjee is part of a team of lawyers who has for years under the settlement been allowed to inspect government facilities where migrant children are detained. She and her colleagues traveled to Clint this week after learning that border officials had begun detaining minors who had recently crossed the border there. She said the conditions in Clint were the worst she had seen in any facility in her 12-year career. “So many children are sick, they have the flu, and they’re not being properly treated,” she said. The Associated Press, which first reported on conditions at the facility earlier this week, found that it was housing three infants, all with teen mothers, along with a 1-year-old, two 2-year-olds and a 3-year-old. It said there were dozens more children under the age of 12. Ms. Mukherjee said children were being overseen by guards for Customs and Border Protection, which declined to comment for this story. She and her colleagues observed the guards wearing full uniforms — including weapons — as well as face masks to protect themselves from the unsanitary conditions. Together, the group of six lawyers met with 60 children in Clint this week who ranged from 5 months to 17 years old. The infants were either children of minor parents, who were also detained, or had been separated from adult family members with whom they had crossed the border. The separated children were now alone, being cared for by other young detainees. “The children are locked in their cells and cages nearly all day long,” Ms. Mukherjee said. “A few of the kids said they had some opportunities to go outside and play, but they said they can’t bring themselves to play because they are trying to stay alive in there.” When the lawyers arrived, federal officials said that more than 350 children were detained at the facility. The officials did not disclose the facility’s capacity but said the population had exceeded it. By the time the lawyers left on Wednesday night, border officials told them that about 200 of the children had been transferred elsewhere but did not say where they had been sent. “That’s what’s keeping me up at night,” Ms. Mukherjee said. Some sick children were being quarantined in the facility. The lawyers were allowed to speak to the children by phone, but their requests to meet with them in person and observe the conditions they were being held in were denied. The children told the lawyers they were given the same meals every day — instant oats for breakfast, instant noodles for lunch, a frozen burrito for dinner, along with a few cookies and juice packets — which many said was not enough. “Nearly every child I spoke with said that they were hungry,” Ms. Mukherjee said. Another group of lawyers conducting inspections under the same federal court settlement said they discovered similar conditions earlier this month at six other facilities in Texas. At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as “Ursula” — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby. “When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt,” said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, “Not a little stuff — dirt.” After government lawyers argued in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco this week that amenities such as soap and toothbrushes should not be mandated under the legal settlement originally agreed to between the government and migrant families in 1997 and amended several times since then, all three judges voiced dismay. Among the guidelines set under the legal settlement are that facilities for children must be “safe and sanitary.” The Justice Department’s lawyer, Sarah Fabian, argued that the settlement agreement did not specify the need to supply hygienic items and that, therefore, the government did not need to do so. “Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Judge William Fletcher asked Ms. Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that is safe and sanitary.” Miriam Jordan in Los Angeles and Dave Montgomery in Austin, Tex., contributed reporting.

 

[Dekster]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Why haven't the democrats fast-tracked a bill for emergency toothbrush purchases?

Mitch McConnell.

Spending bills originate in the House.

Birmingham must then go through the Senate.

Attach it to funding for a wall and it will sail through. I mean is stopping a wall worth the poor concentration camp kids getting cavities?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here is a conundrum why should those who come here with intent of crossing into the country illegally and are caught get priority over American citizens who are living in deplorable conditions or out on the streets?

Can't we do both? In the land of the rich and famous, are you telling me that dec not, safe and sanitary conditions in which to hous echildren is out of our reach?

You ever drive the streets of Phoenix? (I would say California but haven't had tye desire to go there since the 80s ) We can't even take care of our homeless Vets I saw them panhandle (some in wheelchair's ) everywhere.


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[Dale Smith]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Because God allows us "free will" and knows the true motives of the heart. My question to leftards is that if you are so concerned about illegals, why are you not opening up your home to an alleged family seeking refugee status???? Obviously you believe in "sanctuary for all" unless it affects your bottom line or is an inconvenience for you????

Free will is the justification for maintaining unsanitary condition for children in American custody?

WWJD?

How "unsanitary" are they? And why would their alleged parental units risk their safety for a job at Burger King????

THINK ABOUT IT!!!!....if you are able.

 

[Wyatt earp]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Why haven't the democrats fast-tracked a bill for emergency toothbrush purchases?

Mitch McConnell.

Spending bills originate in the House.

Birmingham must then go through the Senate.

Attach it to funding for a wall and it will sail through. I mean is stopping a wall worth the poor concentration camp kids getting cavities?

Good point let Trump and Pelosi compromise.

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[night_son]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Because you speak charlatan through a shark's grin. While Hypocrisy is a truly ancient tongue, the original speaker(s) of your argument are among the most fluent hypocrites in human history. You expect moral absolutism and the embodiment of flawlessly sin free lives from Christians, every last one of whom is flawed and will likely, humbly admit to being imperfect, while all the while speaking on behalf of an ideology founded upon moral and cultural relativism. On one hand, you assume to cast accusation of moral failure with simplistic loaded questions, at American Christians such as myself whose first priority is the improvement of fellow American lives over those of immigrants who went out of their way to place the burden for their very existence on our government and tax paying citizens. On the other hand, at the same time, you champion the morally relativistic position of mass murdering children up to the moment of their birth while pretending to care about children fed, housed, clothed and medically cared for who entered this nation illegally or under the false pretense of seeking asylum. Your argument here represents among the most disingenuous ones ever made in recent history, and your sardonic bleeding heart fools no one.

 

[Dale Smith]

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

So you want us to free them and let them end up in the underground market of God knows what?


.

That's not a choice. The actual choice is either provid them with decent safe and sanitary conditions or continue thempolicy of deliberate cruelty.

A few years back a fashion craze among Right Wingers was little fumband bracelets with WWJD embossed on them. My! How times have changed!

Stop fucking lying.





These kids are living in better conditions than in their home country.

A chaotic scene of sickness and filth is unfolding in an overcrowded border station in Clint, Tex., where hundreds of young people who have recently crossed the border are being held, according to lawyers who visited the facility this week. Some of the children have been there for nearly a month. Children as young as 7 and 8, many of them wearing clothes caked with snot and tears, are caring for infants they’ve just met, the lawyers said. Toddlers without diapers are relieving themselves in their pants. Teenage mothers are wearing clothes stained with breast milk. Most of the young detainees have not been able to shower or wash their clothes since they arrived at the facility, those who visited said. They have no access to toothbrushes, toothpaste or soap. “There is a stench,” said Elora Mukherjee, director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School, one of the lawyers who visited the facility. “The overwhelming majority of children have not bathed since they crossed the border.” Conditions at Customs and Border Protection facilities along the border have been an issue of increasing concern as officials warn that the recent large influx of migrant families has driven many of the facilities well past their capacities. The border station in Clint is only one of those with problems. In May, the inspector general for the Department of Homeland Security warned of “dangerous overcrowding” among adult migrants housed at the border processing center in El Paso, with up to 900 migrants being held at a facility designed for 125. In some cases, cells designed for 35 people were holding 155 people. “Border Patrol agents told us some of the detainees had been held in standing-room-only conditions for days or weeks,” the inspector general’s office said in its report, which noted that some detainees were observed standing on toilets in the cells “to make room and gain breathing space, thus limiting access to the toilets.” Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas on Friday announced the deployment of 1,000 new National Guard troops to the border to help respond to the continuing new arrivals, which the governor said have amounted to more than 45,000 people from 52 countries over the past three weeks. “The crisis at our southern border is unlike anything we’ve witnessed before and has put an enormous strain on the existing resources we have in place,” Mr. Abbott said, adding, “Congress is a group of reprobates for not addressing the crisis on our border.” The number of border crossings appears to have slowed in recent weeks, possibly as a result of a crackdown by the Mexican government under pressure from President Trump, but the numbers remain high compared to recent years. The overcrowding crisis has been unfolding invisibly, with journalists and lawyers offered little access to fenced-off border facilities. The reports of unsafe and unsanitary conditions at Clint and elsewhere came days after government lawyers in court argued that they should not have to provide soap or toothbrushes to children under the legal settlement that gave Ms. Mukherjee and her colleagues access to the facility in Clint. The result of a lawsuit that was first settled in 1997, the settlement set the standards for the detention, treatment and release of migrant minors taken into federal immigration custody. Ms. Mukherjee is part of a team of lawyers who has for years under the settlement been allowed to inspect government facilities where migrant children are detained. She and her colleagues traveled to Clint this week after learning that border officials had begun detaining minors who had recently crossed the border there. She said the conditions in Clint were the worst she had seen in any facility in her 12-year career. “So many children are sick, they have the flu, and they’re not being properly treated,” she said. The Associated Press, which first reported on conditions at the facility earlier this week, found that it was housing three infants, all with teen mothers, along with a 1-year-old, two 2-year-olds and a 3-year-old. It said there were dozens more children under the age of 12. Ms. Mukherjee said children were being overseen by guards for Customs and Border Protection, which declined to comment for this story. She and her colleagues observed the guards wearing full uniforms — including weapons — as well as face masks to protect themselves from the unsanitary conditions. Together, the group of six lawyers met with 60 children in Clint this week who ranged from 5 months to 17 years old. The infants were either children of minor parents, who were also detained, or had been separated from adult family members with whom they had crossed the border. The separated children were now alone, being cared for by other young detainees. “The children are locked in their cells and cages nearly all day long,” Ms. Mukherjee said. “A few of the kids said they had some opportunities to go outside and play, but they said they can’t bring themselves to play because they are trying to stay alive in there.” When the lawyers arrived, federal officials said that more than 350 children were detained at the facility. The officials did not disclose the facility’s capacity but said the population had exceeded it. By the time the lawyers left on Wednesday night, border officials told them that about 200 of the children had been transferred elsewhere but did not say where they had been sent. “That’s what’s keeping me up at night,” Ms. Mukherjee said. Some sick children were being quarantined in the facility. The lawyers were allowed to speak to the children by phone, but their requests to meet with them in person and observe the conditions they were being held in were denied. The children told the lawyers they were given the same meals every day — instant oats for breakfast, instant noodles for lunch, a frozen burrito for dinner, along with a few cookies and juice packets — which many said was not enough. “Nearly every child I spoke with said that they were hungry,” Ms. Mukherjee said. Another group of lawyers conducting inspections under the same federal court settlement said they discovered similar conditions earlier this month at six other facilities in Texas. At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as “Ursula” — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby. “When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt,” said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, “Not a little stuff — dirt.” After government lawyers argued in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco this week that amenities such as soap and toothbrushes should not be mandated under the legal settlement originally agreed to between the government and migrant families in 1997 and amended several times since then, all three judges voiced dismay. Among the guidelines set under the legal settlement are that facilities for children must be “safe and sanitary.” The Justice Department’s lawyer, Sarah Fabian, argued that the settlement agreement did not specify the need to supply hygienic items and that, therefore, the government did not need to do so. “Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Judge William Fletcher asked Ms. Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that is safe and sanitary.” Miriam Jordan in Los Angeles and Dave Montgomery in Austin, Tex., contributed reporting.

Sob, sob.....sniffle, sniffle. They should sue George Soros........

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Because God allows us "free will" and knows the true motives of the heart. My question to leftards is that if you are so concerned about illegals, why are you not opening up your home to an alleged family seeking refugee status???? Obviously you believe in "sanctuary for all" unless it affects your bottom line or is an inconvenience for you????

Free will is the justification for maintaining unsanitary condition for children in American custody?

WWJD?

Prove things are unsanitary.
And to be honest I find your claims of unsanitary conditions to be laughable when you consider a shitload of em show up with diseases that have been eradicated in America for decades.

 

[Nosmo King]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

So you want us to free them and let them end up in the underground market of God knows what?


.

That's not a choice. The actual choice is either provid them with decent safe and sanitary conditions or continue thempolicy of deliberate cruelty.

A few years back a fashion craze among Right Wingers was little fumband bracelets with WWJD embossed on them. My! How times have changed!

Stop fucking lying.





These kids are living in better conditions than in their home country.

Explain why Trump administration argues aganstmprovidingmhasic human needs.

Explain how people who identify as Christian could approve of those terms and conditions. Then explain why, if Christians can be so righteous about scriptural interpretations about abortion or Gay rights should be legitimately listened to after they say it's okay to keep,children in conditions we would not House death row inmates under.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

.

Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

So you want us to free them and let them end up in the underground market of God knows what?


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That's not a choice. The actual choice is either provid them with decent safe and sanitary conditions or continue thempolicy of deliberate cruelty.

A few years back a fashion craze among Right Wingers was little fumband bracelets with WWJD embossed on them. My! How times have changed!

Stop fucking lying.





These kids are living in better conditions than in their home country.

A chaotic scene of sickness and filth is unfolding in an overcrowded border station in Clint, Tex., where hundreds of young people who have recently crossed the border are being held, according to lawyers who visited the facility this week. Some of the children have been there for nearly a month. Children as young as 7 and 8, many of them wearing clothes caked with snot and tears, are caring for infants they’ve just met, the lawyers said. Toddlers without diapers are relieving themselves in their pants. Teenage mothers are wearing clothes stained with breast milk. Most of the young detainees have not been able to shower or wash their clothes since they arrived at the facility, those who visited said. They have no access to toothbrushes, toothpaste or soap. “There is a stench,” said Elora Mukherjee, director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School, one of the lawyers who visited the facility. “The overwhelming majority of children have not bathed since they crossed the border.” Conditions at Customs and Border Protection facilities along the border have been an issue of increasing concern as officials warn that the recent large influx of migrant families has driven many of the facilities well past their capacities. The border station in Clint is only one of those with problems. In May, the inspector general for the Department of Homeland Security warned of “dangerous overcrowding” among adult migrants housed at the border processing center in El Paso, with up to 900 migrants being held at a facility designed for 125. In some cases, cells designed for 35 people were holding 155 people. “Border Patrol agents told us some of the detainees had been held in standing-room-only conditions for days or weeks,” the inspector general’s office said in its report, which noted that some detainees were observed standing on toilets in the cells “to make room and gain breathing space, thus limiting access to the toilets.” Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas on Friday announced the deployment of 1,000 new National Guard troops to the border to help respond to the continuing new arrivals, which the governor said have amounted to more than 45,000 people from 52 countries over the past three weeks. “The crisis at our southern border is unlike anything we’ve witnessed before and has put an enormous strain on the existing resources we have in place,” Mr. Abbott said, adding, “Congress is a group of reprobates for not addressing the crisis on our border.” The number of border crossings appears to have slowed in recent weeks, possibly as a result of a crackdown by the Mexican government under pressure from President Trump, but the numbers remain high compared to recent years. The overcrowding crisis has been unfolding invisibly, with journalists and lawyers offered little access to fenced-off border facilities. The reports of unsafe and unsanitary conditions at Clint and elsewhere came days after government lawyers in court argued that they should not have to provide soap or toothbrushes to children under the legal settlement that gave Ms. Mukherjee and her colleagues access to the facility in Clint. The result of a lawsuit that was first settled in 1997, the settlement set the standards for the detention, treatment and release of migrant minors taken into federal immigration custody. Ms. Mukherjee is part of a team of lawyers who has for years under the settlement been allowed to inspect government facilities where migrant children are detained. She and her colleagues traveled to Clint this week after learning that border officials had begun detaining minors who had recently crossed the border there. She said the conditions in Clint were the worst she had seen in any facility in her 12-year career. “So many children are sick, they have the flu, and they’re not being properly treated,” she said. The Associated Press, which first reported on conditions at the facility earlier this week, found that it was housing three infants, all with teen mothers, along with a 1-year-old, two 2-year-olds and a 3-year-old. It said there were dozens more children under the age of 12. Ms. Mukherjee said children were being overseen by guards for Customs and Border Protection, which declined to comment for this story. She and her colleagues observed the guards wearing full uniforms — including weapons — as well as face masks to protect themselves from the unsanitary conditions. Together, the group of six lawyers met with 60 children in Clint this week who ranged from 5 months to 17 years old. The infants were either children of minor parents, who were also detained, or had been separated from adult family members with whom they had crossed the border. The separated children were now alone, being cared for by other young detainees. “The children are locked in their cells and cages nearly all day long,” Ms. Mukherjee said. “A few of the kids said they had some opportunities to go outside and play, but they said they can’t bring themselves to play because they are trying to stay alive in there.” When the lawyers arrived, federal officials said that more than 350 children were detained at the facility. The officials did not disclose the facility’s capacity but said the population had exceeded it. By the time the lawyers left on Wednesday night, border officials told them that about 200 of the children had been transferred elsewhere but did not say where they had been sent. “That’s what’s keeping me up at night,” Ms. Mukherjee said. Some sick children were being quarantined in the facility. The lawyers were allowed to speak to the children by phone, but their requests to meet with them in person and observe the conditions they were being held in were denied. The children told the lawyers they were given the same meals every day — instant oats for breakfast, instant noodles for lunch, a frozen burrito for dinner, along with a few cookies and juice packets — which many said was not enough. “Nearly every child I spoke with said that they were hungry,” Ms. Mukherjee said. Another group of lawyers conducting inspections under the same federal court settlement said they discovered similar conditions earlier this month at six other facilities in Texas. At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as “Ursula” — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby. “When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt,” said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, “Not a little stuff — dirt.” After government lawyers argued in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco this week that amenities such as soap and toothbrushes should not be mandated under the legal settlement originally agreed to between the government and migrant families in 1997 and amended several times since then, all three judges voiced dismay. Among the guidelines set under the legal settlement are that facilities for children must be “safe and sanitary.” The Justice Department’s lawyer, Sarah Fabian, argued that the settlement agreement did not specify the need to supply hygienic items and that, therefore, the government did not need to do so. “Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Judge William Fletcher asked Ms. Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that is safe and sanitary.” Miriam Jordan in Los Angeles and Dave Montgomery in Austin, Tex., contributed reporting.

Do you think typing in red lends credence to your post?
I'd say it says more about your tendency towards communism.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

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Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

They should not benefit from the crimes of their parents.

A toothbrush and a bar of soap. Three healthy meals a day.

These are now "benefits"?

That's what death row prisoners get.

Our death row prisoners. Not imports.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

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Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

So you want us to free them and let them end up in the underground market of God knows what?


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That's not a choice. The actual choice is either provid them with decent safe and sanitary conditions or continue thempolicy of deliberate cruelty.

A few years back a fashion craze among Right Wingers was little fumband bracelets with WWJD embossed on them. My! How times have changed!

Stop fucking lying.





These kids are living in better conditions than in their home country.

Explain why Trump administration argues aganstmprovidingmhasic human needs.

Explain how people who identify as Christian could approve of those terms and conditions. Then explain why, if Christians can be so righteous about scriptural interpretations about abortion or Gay rights should be legitimately listened to after they say it's okay to keep,children in conditions we would not House death row inmates under.

The kids parents broke the law, what do you want us to do with the them put them in Alcatraz?

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Should children be punished for the 'crimes' of their parents?

So you want us to free them and let them end up in the underground market of God knows what?


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That's not a choice. The actual choice is either provid them with decent safe and sanitary conditions or continue thempolicy of deliberate cruelty.

A few years back a fashion craze among Right Wingers was little fumband bracelets with WWJD embossed on them. My! How times have changed!

Stop fucking lying.





These kids are living in better conditions than in their home country.

Explain why Trump administration argues aganstmprovidingmhasic human needs.

Explain how people who identify as Christian could approve of those terms and conditions. Then explain why, if Christians can be so righteous about scriptural interpretations about abortion or Gay rights should be legitimately listened to after they say it's okay to keep,children in conditions we would not House death row inmates under.

I never hear you complain about a poor ghetto or red neck kid and his dad is in the slammer on how they live.




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[Nosmo King]

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Because God allows us "free will" and knows the true motives of the heart. My question to leftards is that if you are so concerned about illegals, why are you not opening up your home to an alleged family seeking refugee status???? Obviously you believe in "sanctuary for all" unless it affects your bottom line or is an inconvenience for you????

Free will is the justification for maintaining unsanitary condition for children in American custody?

WWJD?

Prove things are unsanitary.
And to be honest I find your claims of unsanitary conditions to be laughable when you consider a shitload of em show up with diseases that have been eradicated in America for decades.

My question is for a,very specific group of citizens and USMB posters.

There have been a few threads on the topic of the conditions in the euphemistically called 'containment centers' along our southern border. Reports cite deplorable conditions, particularly for the children detained there. Stories of denying children basic human needs such as soap, toothbrushes, clean clothes, beds and healthy meals. The truly disturbing part of this tragic story is the Trump administration efforts to keep denying these kids decent safe and sanitary facilities while they have been separated from their parents.

My question is: if you agree with the Trump efforts to house children in sub-standard conditions and you identify yourself as a Christian, why is it so important for the rest of us to adhere to your interpretation of Scripture concerning abortion or LGBTQ rights while you ignore Scripture where the treatment of children is concerned?

Because God allows us "free will" and knows the true motives of the heart. My question to leftards is that if you are so concerned about illegals, why are you not opening up your home to an alleged family seeking refugee status???? Obviously you believe in "sanctuary for all" unless it affects your bottom line or is an inconvenience for you????

Free will is the justification for maintaining unsanitary condition for children in American custody?

WWJD?

Prove things are unsanitary.
And to be honest I find your claims of unsanitary conditions to be laughable when you consider a shitload of em show up with diseases that have been eradicated in America for decades.

#CloseTheCamps trends in response to revelations of inhumane conditions in border facilities

Here is a conundrum why should those who come here with intent of crossing into the country illegally and are caught get priority over American citizens who are living in deplorable conditions or out on the streets?

Can't we do both? In the land of the rich and famous, are you telling me that dec not, safe and sanitary conditions in which to hous echildren is out of our reach?

You ever drive the streets of Phoenix? (I would say California but haven't had tye desire to go there since the 80s ) We can't even take care of our homeless Vets I saw them panhandle (some in wheelchair's ) everywhere.


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The company mditionsmof the homeless is a separate issue. These children are in our custody. Understand that. Our custody.