A Question of 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

[DiveCon]

Which, of course, was invented by the Illuminati.

and ordered by the masons

 

[jla1178]

and ordered by the masons

Actually, there was no war. That's textbook nonsense. No educated person should believe anything from a textbook.

 

[Silence]

Que Twilight Zone music and prepare the tin foil for making hats.

what I've never understood and probably never will understand is the inability to see this administration for the totl fuck ups that they are.

Why would anyone defend the actions of Bush & Co? are they that blinded by party loyalty that they refuse to acknowledge the factual evidence that was found? intelligence warnings of pending attacks were ignored. there is no getting around that.

When Bush took office he pulled the plug on anti-terrorist measures that Clinton had enacted such as monitoring funding to terrorist countries. Then they said TOO MUCH emphasis had been placed on tracking Osama Bin Laden.

Say what you want, but the TRUTH is the TRUTH no matter how you'd like to believe it's some crazy tin foil hatter's theory.

 

[dilloduck]

what I've never understood and probably never will understand is the inability to see this administration for the totl fuck ups that they are.

Why would anyone defend the actions of Bush & Co? are they that blinded by party loyalty that they refuse to acknowledge the factual evidence that was found? intelligence warnings of pending attacks were ignored. there is no getting around that.

When Bush took office he pulled the plug on anti-terrorist measures that Clinton had enacted such as monitoring funding to terrorist countries. Then they said TOO MUCH emphasis had been placed on tracking Osama Bin Laden.

Say what you want, but the TRUTH is the TRUTH no matter how you'd like to believe it's some crazy tin foil hatter's theory.

so who did it?

 

[Richard-H]

However, on the other side of the coin, how could you ensure that the number of people required to pull this off would stay quiet? It just seems that among those that would have been involved, at least a few would leak something. That is my question.

What do you think they have Guantanamo prison for?

 

[Uknow_me72]

Obviously Agent Orange and all the Chemical Weapons are done on our troops so they can study the effects when they come back.

 

[dilloduck]

Obviously Agent Orange and all the Chemical Weapons are done on our troops so they can study the effects when they come back.

exactly

 

[Care4all]

my father is battling his third cancer, all attributed to his agent orange exposure while he served in Viet Nam....

I just find it hard to believe it was used to test the affects on soldiers....i believe it was used with disregard to the health effects but not done on purpose to harm our own soldiers, for goodness sakes uknowme!

 

[Richard-H]

My best guess is that Cheney & co. decided that they needed an excuse to invade Afganistan, to they could run a pipline across it. So they contacted Pakistani intelligence and gave them a bunch of Anthrax. They instructed them to make sure that, whoever they killed, the American Media would know about it.

Pakastani intelligence, in turn gave it to Mohammud Atta, but screwed up the instructions, so he gave orders to send it to 'American Media' literally. Then they sent it to the American media in general, they they sent it to whoever.

In the process, Atta and a few of his followers poisoned themselves in the process, knew they we're dying, so Atta decided to launch the 9/11 attacks.

The plan for the 9/11 attacks had been engineered by Bin Laden & co., but he didn't order them to be executed. Atta did it on his own hook.

Bin Laden decided to follow the old adage "It's better to take the credit than get stuck with the blame".

Everyone that had any knowledge of what really happened, along with Atta's anthrax mailers, was disappeared to Guantanamo prison - along with a bunch of other terrorist suspects and enemy combatants (just to give the place some sort of credibility).

And the rest is history.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

My best guess is that Cheney & co. decided that they needed an excuse to invade Afganistan, to they could run a pipline across it. So they contacted Pakistani intelligence and gave them a bunch of Anthrax. They instructed them to make sure that, whoever they killed, the American Media would know about it.

Pakastani intelligence, in turn gave it to Mohammud Atta, but screwed up the instructions, so he gave orders to send it to 'American Media' literally. Then they sent it to the American media in general, they they sent it to whoever.

In the process, Atta and a few of his followers poisoned themselves in the process, knew they we're dying, so Atta decided to launch the 9/11 attacks.

The plan for the 9/11 attacks had been engineered by Bin Laden & co., but he didn't order them to be executed. Atta did it on his own hook.

Bin Laden decided to follow the old adage "It's better to take the credit than get stuck with the blame".

Everyone that had any knowledge of what really happened, along with Atta's anthrax mailers, was disappeared to Guantanamo prison - along with a bunch of other terrorist suspects and enemy combatants (just to give the place some sort of credibility).

And the rest is history.

Looney TUNES time, say do you need a stable supply of Tin Foil? I can probably recommend a source.

 

[eots]

Looney TUNES time, say do you need a stable supply of Tin Foil? I can probably recommend a source.

come on rgs we all know it is psychotropic drugs that keep you stable
and in denial for fear it will fuel a paranoid episode..its OK old solider

 

[RetiredGySgt]

come on rgs we all know it is psychotropic drugs that keep you stable
and in denial for fear it will fuel a paranoid episode..its OK old solider

We all know you and your buddies SHOULD be on drugs for your delusions and paranoia. You have some of the most ignorant rants on this board only followed by those that agree with you. A doctor really can help with that delusional world you live in. Medication can help most people, I believe it is 80 percent, now you could be in the 20 percent, but you will never know till you ask for help.

 

[eots]

We all know you and your buddies SHOULD be on drugs for your delusions and paranoia. You have some of the most ignorant rants on this board only followed by those that agree with you. A doctor really can help with that delusional world you live in. Medication can help most people, I believe it is 80 percent, now you could be in the 20 percent, but you will never know till you ask for help.

ah..life in soma city...you have been successfully reprogrammed congratulations !!

 

[eots]

what is you dont think I belive DIVECONARTIST..THAT RGS IS ON PSYCOTROPIC MEDICATIONS OR THAT 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB ???

 

[DiveCon]

what is you dont think I belive DIVECONARTIST..THAT RGS IS ON PSYCOTROPIC MEDICATIONS OR THAT 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB ???

any of this nonsense you post
you just do it for the reaction

 

[eots]

that's right scooby-do me and these men are just looking for a little attention because we feel intellectually inferior and are bitter that others have had so much success we need to blame it on something...wake the fuck up

Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy (ret), BS Industrial Management, BS Aerontautical Engineering, Doctor of Science, Aeronautics and Astronautics from MIT – Pilot and Astronaut. Sixth man to walk on the moon (Apollo 14 mission). Patrol bomber and attack plane pilot, U.S. Navy. Test Pilot, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 5 (VX-5). Chief of Project Management Division, Navy Field Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory Project. Graduated first in his class from the Aerospace Research Pilot School, and served as an instructor there. Recipient of many awards and honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USN Distinguished Medal and three NASA Group Achievement Awards. Inducted to the Space Hall of Fame in 1979 and the Astronaut Hall of Fame in 1998. Recipient of honorary doctorates in engineering from New Mexico State University, the University of Akron, Carnegie Mellon University, and a ScD from Embry-Riddle University. Founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: "Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.

WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9/11&#8221, and

WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, ...

An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission&#8221 is hereby created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their findings."

Website: Ed Mitchell


Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures. Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis. Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber). 3,000+ fighter hours. Combat time over Iraq. 20-year Air Force career.
Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.

The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull [WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse." [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!"


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."



David L. Griscom, PhD – Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service. Fellow of the American Physical Society. Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México in Mexico City (1997). Visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology (2000 - 2003). Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona (2004 - 2005). Winner of the 1993 N.F. Mott Award sponsored by the Journal of Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL. Principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work which is highly cited by his peers. Officially credited with largest number of papers (5) by any author on list of 100 most cited articles authored at NRL between 1973 and 1988.
Personal blog 1/5/07: "David Ray Griffin has web-published a splendid, highly footnoted account of The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True: This scholarly work, rich in eyewitness accounts, includes 11 separate pieces of evidence that the World Trade Center towers 1, 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and 7 were brought down by explosives. [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

... I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals like, say, the Journal of Applied Physics.

The issue of knowing who was really behind the 9/11 attacks is of paramount importance to the future of our country, because the "official" assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs (1) does not match the available facts and (2) has led directly to the deplorable Patriot Act, the illegal Iraq war, NSA spying on ordinary Americans, repudiation of the Geneva Conventions, and the repeal of habeas corpus (a fundamental point of law that has been with us since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215).

Surely these Orwellian consequences of public ignorance constitute more than sufficient motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the search for 9/11 Truth!" http://impactglassman


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Bio: David L Griscom PhD Physicist bio







Dwain Deets, MS Eng

Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 400 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


Bio: NASA - Dryden Flight Research Center




Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 400 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Website: MySpace.com - Guy - 50 - Male - Las Vegas, Isle Of Man - www.myspace.com/supereagle69

 

[glockmail]

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Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy (ret), .....
Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – .....
Dwain Deets, MS Eng .....

No education or experience in structural or forensic engineering between the three of them. Pfft.

 

[eots]

No education or experience in structural or forensic engineering between the three of them. Pfft.

Hugo Bachmann, PhD – Professor Emeritus and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Author and co-author of Erdbebenbemessung von Stahlbetonhochbauten (Seismic Analysis of Concrete Reinforced Structures) (1990), Vibration Problems in Structures: Practical Guidelines (1995), Biege- und Schubversuche an teilweise vorgespannten Leichtbetonbalken (Structural Analysis of Linked Concrete Beams) (1998), Hochbau für Ingenieure. Eine Einführung (Structural Construction for Engineers. An introduction) (2001), Erdbebensicherung von Bauwerken (Earthquake-proofing Buildings) (2002).

Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: "In my opinion the building WTC 7 was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH [Swiss Federal Institute of Technology] - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished."
English translation: Intro
Original in German: Intro



Mario Fontana, Dr Sc CE – Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, Institute of Structural Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former Director of the Steel Construction Division, Geilinger AG. Author of more than 40 papers on structural engineering.
Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: "We simply don't know what exactly happened in WTC 7," said Mario Fontana, sitting Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction at ETH-Zurich. At conferences of structural analysis experts one has discovered only very little on the collapse of WTC 7. It is at least thinkable that a long, on-going fire could have caused the collapse of the building, according to Fontana."
English translation: Intro
Original in German: Intro


Kamal S. Obeid, BS CE, MS CE, SE, PE – Licensed Professional Structural and Civil Engineer, State of California. Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"Only recently have I begun to examine the structural collapse of the buildings. Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well-planned and controlled demolition." AE911Truth


Patriots Question 9/11 - Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[glockmail]

Hugo Bachmann, PhD – Professor Emeritus and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Author and co-author of Erdbebenbemessung von Stahlbetonhochbauten (Seismic Analysis of Concrete Reinforced Structures) (1990), Vibration Problems in Structures: Practical Guidelines (1995), Biege- und Schubversuche an teilweise vorgespannten Leichtbetonbalken (Structural Analysis of Linked Concrete Beams) (1998), Hochbau für Ingenieure. Eine Einführung (Structural Construction for Engineers. An introduction) (2001), Erdbebensicherung von Bauwerken (Earthquake-proofing Buildings) (2002).

Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: "In my opinion the building WTC 7 was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH [Swiss Federal Institute of Technology] - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished."
English translation: Intro
Original in German: Intro



Mario Fontana, Dr Sc CE – Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, Institute of Structural Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former Director of the Steel Construction Division, Geilinger AG. Author of more than 40 papers on structural engineering.
Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: "We simply don't know what exactly happened in WTC 7," said Mario Fontana, sitting Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction at ETH-Zurich. At conferences of structural analysis experts one has discovered only very little on the collapse of WTC 7. It is at least thinkable that a long, on-going fire could have caused the collapse of the building, according to Fontana."
English translation: Intro
Original in German: Intro


Kamal S. Obeid, BS CE, MS CE, SE, PE – Licensed Professional Structural and Civil Engineer, State of California. Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"Only recently have I begun to examine the structural collapse of the buildings. Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well-planned and controlled demolition." AE911Truth


Patriots Question 9/11 - Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

Bachmann’s experience is with concrete structures and earthquakes. WTC was steel, and brought down by fire.

Fontana agrees with me that a fire brought it down.

Obeid’s statement is his first impression. He states that he has only begun to examine.

 

[eots]

they all signed the petition which statement is very clear , they are intelligent experienced and educated exceeding what is required for their opinions to carry weight combined along with the shared opinions of military Intel ,FBI and astronauts and top ranked pilots.. ex directors of NORAD etc etc..it kind of starts to add up..your hair splitting games are disingenuous