A Question of 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

[dilloduck]

why dont you ask the creators of the northwoods plan..that question ..but i will take you understand the goverment is capable of such plans,has used false flag terror in the past and is capable of killing its own people

cuz it doesn't say anything about planes---whose idea was that ?

 

[eots]

northwoods indeed speaks of planes ,,,read it again

 

[eots]

In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations of the Cuba Project, Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the document lists methods (with, in some cases, outlined plans) the authors believed would garner public and international support for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. These are staged attacks purporting to be of Cuban origin.

"1. Since it would seem desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for US military intervention in Cuba a cover and deception plan, to include requisite preliminary actions such as has been developed in response to Task 33 c, could be executed as an initial effort to provoke Cuban reactions. Harassment plus deceptive actions to convince the Cubans of imminent invasion would be emphasized. Our military posture throughout execution of the plan will allow a rapid change from exercise to intervention if Cuban response justifies.

2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):

(1) Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.

(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.

(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.

(4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).

(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.

(6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).

(7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.

(8) Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.

(9) Capture militia group which storms the base.

(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene.

(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be in lieu of (10)).

b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:

a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.

The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation (in the vein of the 14th of June invasion of the Dominican Republic). We know that Castro is backing subversive efforts clandestinely against Haiti, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Nicaragua at present and possible others. These efforts can be magnified and additional ones contrived for exposure. For example, advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican Air Force to intrusions within their national air space. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground in the Dominican Republic and "Cuban" shipments of arm which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.

6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.

7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

a. Approximately 4 or 5 F-101 aircraft will be dispatched in trail from Homestead AFB, Florida, to the vicinity of Cuba. Their mission will be to reverse course and simulate fakir aircraft for an air defense exercise in southern Florida. These aircraft would conduct variations of these flights at frequent Intervals. Crews would be briefed to remain at least 12 miles off the Cuban coast; however, they would be required to carry live ammunition in the event that hostile actions were taken by the Cuban MIGs.

b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately 15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found."



Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dilloduck]

northwoods indeed speaks of planes ,,,read it again

Flying into the WTC ? sorry--don't see that.

 

[eots]

dildofuck...

 

[dilloduck]

dildofuck...

hey eots--get it anyway you can---don't be ashamed !

 

[eots]

get it any way you can huh..that's about what i would expect as your philosophy,,not surprising

 

[dilloduck]

get it any way you can huh..that's about what i would expect as your philosophy,,not surprising

ok--now go back to your bombs and stuff. Let me know when you find out why they bothered to crash jets all over the place.

 

[eots]

sure and you can answer this

Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they
had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

Where are the flight recorders?

How were all hijackers identified just 2 days
after the attack?

Why do none of the names appear on the passenger list


How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital?

How could three buildings all fall semetricaly..in a fashion that only occurs with percise controled failure..the will of ali ?

 

[dilloduck]

sure and you can answer this

Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they
had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

Where are the flight recorders?

How were all hijackers identified just 2 days
after the attack?

Why do none of the names appear on the passenger list


How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital?

How could three buildings all fall semetricaly..in a fashion that only occurs with percise controled failure..the will of ali ?

Still don't know I see--

 

[Care4all]

sure and you can answer this

Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they
had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

Where are the flight recorders?

How were all hijackers identified just 2 days
after the attack?

Why do none of the names appear on the passenger list


How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital?

How could three buildings all fall semetricaly..in a fashion that only occurs with percise controled failure..the will of ali ?

personally, i can remember that i thought at the time when all the news stations on 9/11 named the person who headed this up as Bin Laden....which meant our gvt gave the media this info to report on 911, with all hijackers being named and pictured less than 48 hours after they attacked i even asked my husband, ''Everyone on the planes are dead, HOW could our gvt name WITH PHOTO IDS these 19 hijackers sooooo QUICKLY unless they had been following them and were aware of them? And if they were aware of them, WHY DIDN'T THEY STOP THEM?''

THOSE really were my immediate thoughts....and i still was living in my old peaceful cocoon ....when i was politically and gvt ignorant.....before message boards..... before my awakening....the Happy Days of my life!!! lollollol But it still seemed suspicious that the pics of all hijackers were in press 2 days later to me....

i don't want to read this whole thread....but do you have proof that these hijacker names were not on the passenger list??? because i remember video being shown of Atta at the security gate in Bangor maine heading to new york?

care

 

[MichaelCollins]

it was approved to higest levels before it was rejected you have no facts and as far as the government killing its citizens goes


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False Flag Terrorism

"False flag terrorism" occurs when elements within a government stage a secret operation whereby government forces pretend to be a targeted enemy while attacking their own forces or people. The attack is then falsely blamed on the enemy in order to justify going to war against that enemy. Or as Wikipedia defines it:

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy's strategy of tension.
The term comes from the old days of wooden ships, when one ship would hang the flag of its enemy before attacking another ship in its own navy. Because the enemy's flag was hung instead of the flag of the real country of the attacking ship, it was called a "false flag" attack.

There are many examples of false flag attacks through history. For example, it is widely known that the Nazis, in Operation Himmler, faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. And it has now been persuasively argued — as shown, for example, in this History Channel video — that Nazis set fire to their own parliament, the Reichstag, and blamed that fire on others. The Reichstag fire was the watershed event which justified Hitler's seizure of power and suspension of liberties.

And in the early 1950s, agents of an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence" implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers). Israel's Defense Minister was brought down by the scandal, along with the entire Israeli government. Click here for verification.

The Russian KGB apparently conducted a wave of bombings in Russia in order to justify war against Chechnya and put Vladimir Putin into power (see also this short essay and this report). And the Turkish government has been caught bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group in order to justify a crackdown on that group. Muslim governments also play this game. For example, the well-respected former Indonesian president claimed that their government had a role in the Bali bombings.

This sounds nuts, right? You've never heard of this "false flag terrorism," where a government attacks its own people then blames others in order to justify its goals, right? And you are skeptical of the statements discussed above? Please take a look at these historical quotes:

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison

"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

What about the U.S.?

Is it logical to assume that, even if other countries have carried out false flag operations (especially horrible regimes such as, say, the Nazis or Stalin), the U.S. has never done so? Well, as documented by the New York Times, Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950's posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president (see also this essay).

And, as confirmed by a former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence, NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and blamed communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Moreover, recently declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans.

For lots more on the astonishing Operation Northwoods, see the ABC news report; the official declassified documents; and watch this interview with James Bamford, the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. One quote from the Northwoods documents states: "A 'Remember the Maine' incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

What about Al-Qaeda?

You might think Al-Qaeda is different. It is very powerful, organized, and out to get us, right? Consider this Los Angeles Times article, reviewing a BBC documentary entitled The Power of Nightmares, which shows that the threat from Al Qaeda has been vastly overblown (and see this article on who is behind the hype). And former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski testified to the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative."

And did you know that the FBI had penetrated the cell which carried out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but had -- at the last minute -- cancelled the plan to have its FBI infiltrator substitute fake powder for real explosives, against the infiltrator's strong wishes (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view)? See also this TV news report.

Have you heard that the CIA is alleged to have met with Bin Laden two months before 9/11? Did you know that years after 9/11 the FBI first stated that it did not have sufficient evidence to prosecute Bin Laden for 9/11? The agency apparently still does not have any hard evidence linking Bin Laden to the crime (see also this partial confirmation by the Washington Post). And did you see the statement by the CIA commander in charge of the capture that the U.S. let Bin Laden escape from Afghanistan?

Have you heard that the anthrax attacks -- which were sent along with notes purportedly written by Islamic terrorists -- used a weaponized anthrax strain from the top U.S. bioweapons facility? Indeed, top bioweapons experts have stated that the anthrax attack may have been a CIA test "gone wrong." For more on this, see this article by a former NSA and naval intelligence officer and this statement by a distinguished law professor and bioterror expert (and this one).

It is also interesting that the only Congress-members mailed anthrax letters were key Democrats, and that the attacks occurred one week before passage of the freedom-curtailing PATRIOT Act, which seems to have scared them and the rest of Congress into passing that act without even reading it. And though it may be a coincidence, White House staff began taking the anti-anthrax medicine before the Anthrax attacks occurred.

Even General William Odom, former director of the National Security Agency, said "By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism, yet in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation" (the audio is here).

Why Does This Matter?

Please read what the following highly respected people are saying:

Former prominent Republican U.S. Congressman and CIA official Bob Barr stated that the U.S. is close to becoming a totalitarian society and that the current administration is using fear to try to ensure that this happens. Current Republican U.S. Congressman Ron Paul stated that the government "is determined to have martial law." He also said a contrived "Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran." Former National Security Adviser Brzezinski told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation.

The former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts, who is called the "Father of Reaganomics" and is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, BusinessWeek, and Scripps Howard News Service, has said:

"Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging 'terrorist' attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda? ... If the Bush administration wants to continue its wars in the Middle East and to entrench the 'unitary executive' at home, it will have to conduct some false flag operations that will both frighten and anger the American people and make them accept Bush's declaration of 'national emergency' and the return of the draft. Alternatively, the administration could simply allow any real terrorist plot to proceed without hindrance."

(see also this even stronger statement).

Retired 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern, who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefings and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents, stated that if there was another major attack in the U.S., it would lead to martial law. He went on to say:

"We have to be careful, if somebody does this kind of provocation - big violent explosions of some kind - we have to not take the word of the masters there in Washington that this was some terrorist event because it could well be a provocation allowing them, or seemingly to allow them to get what they want."

The former CIA analyst would not put it past the government to "play fast and loose" with terror alerts and warnings and even terrorist events in order to rally people behind the flag.

False Flag Operations

Fortunately every single first world nation is aware of this...and the majority of educated people are well aware that BUSHTEAM played a role in 911.

However...the US people have been controlled through dumming down for so long now...that false flag attacks are very possible there.

If you have such a large constituency of uneducated, untravelled and ignorant people ..as the US clearly does... it is very easy to create images of the big bad bogeyman foreigner...The hillbillies drenched in their religious fear and hatred extremism...will lap it up.

I expect another one to justify the Trillion dollar US defence budget very soon.

 

[jla1178]

Fortunately every single first world nation is aware of this...and the majority of educated people are well aware that BUSHTEAM played a role in 911.

However...the US people have been controlled through dumming down for so long now...that false flag attacks are very possible there.

If you have such a large constituency of uneducated, untravelled and ignorant people ..as the US clearly does... it is very easy to create images of the big bad bogeyman foreigner...The hillbillies drenched in their religious fear and hatred extremism...will lap it up.

I expect another one to justify the Trillion dollar US defence budget very soon.

 

[Jarvis]

Wow, so the Catholic church isn't important in Italy? That would be news to the thousands of people that flock to the vatican everyday? And what makes you an expert on religion in Europe? When I was in Germany every week there churches were filled, so thats two of the biggest countries in Europe, and from my perspective they are still thriving.

 

[MichaelCollins]

Wow, so the Catholic church isn't important in Italy? That would be news to the thousands of people that flock to the vatican everyday? And what makes you an expert on religion in Europe? When I was in Germany every week there churches were filled, so thats two of the biggest countries in Europe, and from my perspective they are still thriving.

I have lived in Italy for 3 years... never met one person who attended church..

The vatican is a tourist attraction mate... it will get 1000s every day.

That is what religion is in Europe... a ceremonial remnant... pretty but no one believes in any of the associated nonsense... lovely churches though.

Germany 5% attendence ..Italy 4%.

Only the US has a serious percentage of jesus freaks.

Also those catholics who do remain..mostly over 70 years of age... its a nice religion.... US christianity is totally insane..evangelical bible bashing extreme freakiness.

 

[Silence]

I am pretty convinced that BUSHTEAM were well aware that 911 was going to happen. Not sure if they were actually involved in the planning and execution ..but it is pretty obvious they knew about it and welcomed it...

It cannot be a coincidence that as soon as BUSHTEAM get into power..an event occurs which allows them free licence to carry out their long intended and long planned invasion of Iraq....and also to create a new imaginary enemy....and to create a large proportion of the US public with FEAR and hatred.

For those of you ..who cant believe that your leaders would sacrifice 3000 US lives...why do you doubt this? They are the same people who showed no problem in dropping 1000s of bombs on iraqi civilians....and surely all human life is equal?...and they did this for money...pure and simple...pretty cold hearted.

For those who insist that BUSHTEAM didnt know about it... it must mean that you believe the US secret services are unbelievably incompetent?

it makes me feel dirty when I agree with you

I too, think Bush & Co knew about the pending attacks, I also think they choose to ignore it. All the evidence found by the 9/11 commission indicates such.

What would make anyone think that they wouldn't view those 3,000 people as collateral damage? It gave them a rallying point and enabled them to enact some of the most fucked up and unconstitutional practices in modern history.

The fact that Bush & Co basically let Bin Laden go seems suspicious at least. add the fact that no one in his administration seems concerned about finding and bringing him to justice and it certainly makes one wonder if there wasn't at least some complacency in the attacks.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

it makes me feel dirty when I agree with you

I too, think Bush & Co knew about the pending attacks, I also think they choose to ignore it. All the evidence found by the 9/11 commission indicates such.

What would make anyone think that they wouldn't view those 3,000 people as collateral damage? It gave them a rallying point and enabled them to enact some of the most fucked up and unconstitutional practices in modern history.

The fact that Bush & Co basically let Bin Laden go seems suspicious at least. add the fact that no one in his administration seems concerned about finding and bringing him to justice and it certainly makes one wonder if there wasn't at least some complacency in the attacks.

Que Twilight Zone music and prepare the tin foil for making hats.

 

[eots]

Que Twilight Zone music and prepare the tin foil for making hats.

why are the meds not working for you again rgs..

 

[Uknow_me72]

why are the meds not working for you again rgs..

He was a casualty of Agent Orange in Nam. He can't help it.

Wait, US government doesn't put its own troops in harms way and kill them....

There was a radio malfunction.

http://www1.va.gov/Agentorange/

 

[jla1178]

He was a casualty of Agent Orange in Nam.

Which, of course, was invented by the Illuminati.