A question for the pro-abortion aka pro-choice crowd

[koshergrl]

Good for you, I'm sure it was very helpful to them and to PP to shuttle them quickly off to the clinic to scrape their uteruses rather than contact law enforcement, their parents, or provide them with any positive or meaningful assistance.

Incidentally, I work in the field too, dumbass. And not as some retarded volunteer. I actually am trained and paid to do what I do with DV victims.

 

[BDBoop]

Talk about hysterical. It's so hysterical there's no point to even responding to it.

Try to come up with some sort of real argument.

He did fine, you got nothin. Duly noted.

 

[Xchel]

You don't get to TELL them anything!

Actually I do..unless it involves the life of the mother after 20 weeks most abortions are ILLEGAL..and with technological advances it is much more traumatic to make a 12 year old go through a second trimester abortion which involves labor induction than it is to give her a pill when she is a few weeks along or right after she is raped, now isn't it? You can volunteer at anything you want..when a fetus can live outside of the womb on its own you made your choice and get to live with it. If you don't want the baby you give it up for adoption. There is plenty of time to make a choice before 20 weeks pregnancy.
You seem to think we are in the eighties where a teen has to hide a pregnancy...she can get the morning after pill over the counter...and she still has to have consent of a parent in most states to get the abortion anyway..and guess what..my daughter is nineteen, but she got pregnant at 18 and gave up her child for adoption...she faced the music quite well...and guess what had she gotten an abortion or hid her pregnancy from me we would have had serious issues...and she knew it. She didn't get an abortion she gave the little boy to someone who could not have a child on their own.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I was a volunteer at The StoreFront (teen crisis shelter) in San Diego. The majority of girls who were pregnant there, had been raped by a family member, former "friend" or strangers. All of them were between 12 and 17 years old.

I hold absolutely no judgment of them, given those circumstances.

As far as "convenience" abortions? While I dont' condone them, again I'm just not the "cast the first stone" type. It's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of a woman who had BC fail, a boyfriend take off or whatever would lead to such a decision. I'm sure it's never easy.

Abortion is not the only option. But it seems to be the most convenient.

"Convenient"? For a 12 year old girl who has been gang-raped by her brother and a few of his friends? You're going to sentence her to carrying a daily reminder of that trauma, every day for almost 10% of her current life? How compassionate.
And you're going to personally take care of the child after it's born? Didn't think so. People who will shoulder no responsibility find it easy to talk about how others should.

Yes I would want for her to carry the baby to full term. The trauma she suffers will be there long after the babry is born, aborting the child will not make the events she's suffered any less traumatic. But if you wish to think the taking of an innocent life would magically make her horrible experience less traumatic then go ahead and believe as you wish.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Good for you, I'm sure it was very helpful to them and to PP to shuttle them quickly off to the clinic to scrape their uteruses rather than contact law enforcement, their parents, or provide them with any positive or meaningful assistance.

Incidentally, I work in the field too, dumbass. And not as some retarded volunteer. I actually am trained and paid to do what I do with DV victims.

I see. And you're the one who claimed that stating girls get raped was "Too hysterical to even respond to"? Got it.

And no. If you work in the field, you know that we never recommend any action whatsoever, in either direction.
So you feel that under no circumstances, should an abortion ever be considered? Hmmm. Like I said, easy for you.
You're really quite hostile and judgmental. Christian are you? Or is that just you? Says a lot about your competency at your job, doesn't it? You're a DV worker eh?

You may now continue judging those in positions you will never have to endure, slinging petty insults and projecting hostility.

 

[BDBoop]

Good for you, I'm sure it was very helpful to them and to PP to shuttle them quickly off to the clinic to scrape their uteruses rather than contact law enforcement, their parents, or provide them with any positive or meaningful assistance.

Incidentally, I work in the field too, dumbass. And not as some retarded volunteer. I actually am trained and paid to do what I do with DV victims.

You're a professional. Who refers to people who give freely of their time "retarded volunteers."

You really are a bitch.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Abortion is not the only option. But it seems to be the most convenient.

"Convenient"? For a 12 year old girl who has been gang-raped by her brother and a few of his friends? You're going to sentence her to carrying a daily reminder of that trauma, every day for almost 10% of her current life? How compassionate.
And you're going to personally take care of the child after it's born? Didn't think so. People who will shoulder no responsibility find it easy to talk about how others should.

Yes I would want for her to carry the baby to full term. The trauma she suffers will be there long after the babry is born, aborting the child will not make the events she's suffered any less traumatic. But if you wish to think the taking of an innocent life would magically make her horrible experience less traumatic then go ahead and believe as you wish.

Like I said. So easy for those who won't have to go through, to say others should. And so easy to say other should sholder the responsibility afterward, that you yourself won't take from them. Of course, you'll complain about the welfare later though....

 

[Xchel]

Spontanious abortion at 30 weeks? It isn't called spontanious abortion at 30 weeks and no it doesn't happen all the time in Africa..which btw, is a continent not a country, what you are referring to is called still birth...why? because the child died due to something going tragically wrong...most still births in Africa as a whole are related to HIV infection...there is nothing spontaneous about them either also we are not speaking about Sub Sahara Africa we are speaking about the USA where technology is much more advanced and where abortion is legal up to the second trimester.

 

[koshergrl]

No, I stated your posts are hysterical nonsense. I can see why they failed to hire you for any paid position, and why you didn't last long.

I wonder if you were so quick to tell your call-ins what they had or hadn't endured based on whether or not you agreed with them politically? Because you have zero idea of what I have endured or experienced..yet you're perfectly willing to dismiss my experience. You must've been a crackerjack crisis worker!

 

[chikenwing]

Yes, there are an AMPLE number of reasons.....none of which is any of your business.

I would ask the counter question to your question.........


why do you insist upon denying American citizens their rights to privacy, their rights to their own religious beliefs, and denying them their own private health and welfare concerns, as well as their own ability to make informed decisions that will help them make the best choices for their own lives? Are you and your fellow believers just despots who want to control other people?

If you want to be a busy-body, sticking your nose into every other woman's vagina and womb, and insisting upon total ownership of that womb, according to your own, personal religiour beliefs, then find a country to live in where you can be king or queen.
We don't do that here in the USA. Nor should any citizen ever inflict their emotionally-charged, personal beliefs upon another human being here!

We get to tell them at the point that the child inside them becomes compatible with life. I have serious issues with any abortion beyond first trimester and for good reason...babies are viable after 20 weeks...before then by 16 weeks they are only growing and nothing more...your choice has limits...the limit at which it impedes on the choice of another human being...so if you want choice FINE no problem with that...have 20 abortions if you think that is cool..but make sure you make that choice within 10 weeks because that is more than enough time, especially with the abortion pill.

You don't get to TELL them anything! You get to lecture. The life of the woman is ALWAYS paramount. Simply because medical science has advanced to allow for a child to be delivered from a womb earlier than 28 weeks and survive does not give anyone any right to pry into the life of that woman.

You don't get to tell any man on the street who he can and cannot sleep with tonight. Same goes for the process of pregnancy. And, as a man, I'm not planning on any abortions in my lifetime. So you have all you want, and think of me when you have them. As the old saying goes, if you're against abortion, just don't have one. That's all the power you get in your lifetime, not the power to control another human being's body.

Now, being rational for a moment, (instead of hysterical at your desires to control other women's bodies), VERY TRUE, at a certain moment in time, a child becomes viable outside the womb, be that 22 weeks, or 33 weeks, all dependent upon the child, the mother's nutrition, the mother's overall health, etc. Fetuses in poor villages in Africa and some parts of China are routinely spontaneously aborted by the mother's body at 30 weeks, and the child stands no chance of survival ex utero. In a relatively advanced medical society like western Europe and North America, we know that 99% of fetuses at 28 weeks CAN AND DO survive ex-utero, with proper medical intervention, (incubators, etc etc. at a cost of $thousands a day for several weeks). So, if you wish, rational legislators will impose reasonable decision times, 15 weeks, 20 weeks, 24 weeks. No fetus is EVER "viable" at 15 weeks, given current technology. 15 weeks, about 3.5 months, a reasonable time for decision-making for adults, not maybe as reasonable for teen mothers who hide the pregnancy from their family and friends. So let's all agree, some reasonable time, 20 weeks, 24 weeks, whatever we agree upon. That is the time a mother has to make the decision and the commitment, (a life-long commitment)!

But for the anti-abortion advocates, those who INSIST upon the child being born, no matter WHO impregnated the mother, relative, father, uncle, rapist, one-night-stand...for those of you who insist upon maintaining control of that woman's womb, know this, you should not, and you do not!

Thanks for the 8th grade health lesson,the angle that pro life people want to control other womens bodies is off by a wide margin, A pro life person is just thinking of the unborn person,now you must understand all the details of when a person is "viable or not or other statistics,won't change a persons mind once they decide life begins at conception.

once you decide ist always going to be a person even if micro small he/she is just at one of the many physical states we take on in our lives.

 

[koshergrl]

Spontanious abortion at 30 weeks? It isn't called spontanious abortion at 30 weeks and no it doesn't happen all the time in Africa..which btw, is a continent not a country, what you are referring to is called still birth...why? because the child died due to something going tragically wrong...most still births in Africa as a whole are related to HIV infection...there is nothing spontaneous about them either also we are not speaking about Sub Sahara Africa we are speaking about the USA where technology is much more advanced and where abortion is legal up to the second trimester.

SNAP!

Actually, abortion is legal in the US in most states right up to birth. It's all about how they code and describe it. And how it's reported.

 

[koshergrl]

Good for you, I'm sure it was very helpful to them and to PP to shuttle them quickly off to the clinic to scrape their uteruses rather than contact law enforcement, their parents, or provide them with any positive or meaningful assistance.

Incidentally, I work in the field too, dumbass. And not as some retarded volunteer. I actually am trained and paid to do what I do with DV victims.

You're a professional. Who refers to people who give freely of their time "retarded volunteers."

You really are a bitch.

As I said, I work in the field. I get to see first hand what harm these schizophrenic, lunatic and ignorant volunteers do, and I've seen the law suits that tax an underfunded system and which spring from the idiocy of volunteers.

 

[Xchel]

We get to tell them at the point that the child inside them becomes compatible with life. I have serious issues with any abortion beyond first trimester and for good reason...babies are viable after 20 weeks...before then by 16 weeks they are only growing and nothing more...your choice has limits...the limit at which it impedes on the choice of another human being...so if you want choice FINE no problem with that...have 20 abortions if you think that is cool..but make sure you make that choice within 10 weeks because that is more than enough time, especially with the abortion pill.

You don't get to TELL them anything! You get to lecture. The life of the woman is ALWAYS paramount. Simply because medical science has advanced to allow for a child to be delivered from a womb earlier than 28 weeks and survive does not give anyone any right to pry into the life of that woman.

You don't get to tell any man on the street who he can and cannot sleep with tonight. Same goes for the process of pregnancy. And, as a man, I'm not planning on any abortions in my lifetime. So you have all you want, and think of me when you have them. As the old saying goes, if you're against abortion, just don't have one. That's all the power you get in your lifetime, not the power to control another human being's body.

Now, being rational for a moment, (instead of hysterical at your desires to control other women's bodies), VERY TRUE, at a certain moment in time, a child becomes viable outside the womb, be that 22 weeks, or 33 weeks, all dependent upon the child, the mother's nutrition, the mother's overall health, etc. Fetuses in poor villages in Africa and some parts of China are routinely spontaneously aborted by the mother's body at 30 weeks, and the child stands no chance of survival ex utero. In a relatively advanced medical society like western Europe and North America, we know that 99% of fetuses at 28 weeks CAN AND DO survive ex-utero, with proper medical intervention, (incubators, etc etc. at a cost of $thousands a day for several weeks). So, if you wish, rational legislators will impose reasonable decision times, 15 weeks, 20 weeks, 24 weeks. No fetus is EVER "viable" at 15 weeks, given current technology. 15 weeks, about 3.5 months, a reasonable time for decision-making for adults, not maybe as reasonable for teen mothers who hide the pregnancy from their family and friends. So let's all agree, some reasonable time, 20 weeks, 24 weeks, whatever we agree upon. That is the time a mother has to make the decision and the commitment, (a life-long commitment)!

But for the anti-abortion advocates, those who INSIST upon the child being born, no matter WHO impregnated the mother, relative, father, uncle, rapist, one-night-stand...for those of you who insist upon maintaining control of that woman's womb, know this, you should not, and you do not!

Thanks for the 8th grade health lesson,the angle that pro life people want to control other womens bodies is off by a wide margin, A pro life person is just thinking of the unborn person,now you must understand all the details of when a person is "viable or not or other statistics,won't change a persons mind once they decide life begins at conception.

once you decide ist always going to be a person even if micro small he/she is just at one of the many physical states we take on in our lives.

Where did I say that it was a child from conception?

 

[Valerie]

Yes you liberal pukes do confuse me.

You're confused, alright... A true conservative would recognize that such a private decision is not the business of government!


In the United States, 9 out of 10 abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks (first trimester) of pregnancy. Most of these are done within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy.

Very few abortions are done after 16 weeks of pregnancy. But some women have to delay abortions because they have trouble with paying for, finding, or traveling to an abortion specialist.






And despite your misunderstanding of the Biblical citation, The Lord instructed Moses on the Law regarding infidelity whereby the Priest was assigned to Judge her circumstances and give the "bitter water" accordingly. What The Lord described was clearly an aborted pregnancy as the proper consequence for her infidelity...



If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry...


Mostly, I cite this Old Testament verse to demonstrate the hypocrisy of phony "conservatives" who use the Bible to rationalize their fear and loathing...

Who said anything about the government?

Nice straw man you got there.



Oh and there was no mention of pregnancy in that passage.

Your thread title calls for responses from pro-choice posters... That's political.






As for no mention of pregnancy...? Nice selective denial you got there...

"her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry"

 

[koshergrl]

Wow.

You want to see ignorance personified, start a thread that will draw pro-abortion lunatics.

 

[Xchel]

Spontanious abortion at 30 weeks? It isn't called spontanious abortion at 30 weeks and no it doesn't happen all the time in Africa..which btw, is a continent not a country, what you are referring to is called still birth...why? because the child died due to something going tragically wrong...most still births in Africa as a whole are related to HIV infection...there is nothing spontaneous about them either also we are not speaking about Sub Sahara Africa we are speaking about the USA where technology is much more advanced and where abortion is legal up to the second trimester.

SNAP!

Actually, abortion is legal in the US in most states right up to birth. It's all about how they code and describe it. And how it's reported.

Actually not it isn't...
Abortion is only unregulated and on demand in the first trimester up to 20 weeks..which goes into the second trimester. It is fairly difficult to get a second trimester abortion except under certain circumstances and in most states children under 18 must have parental consent.

In 1992, in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the Court overturned Roe's trimester approach and introduced the concept of viability. Today, approximately 90% of all abortions occur in the first 12 weeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_v._Casey

The plurality then overturned the strict trimester formula used in Roe to weigh the woman's interest in obtaining an abortion against the State's interest in the life of the fetus. Continuing advancements in medical technology meant that at the time Casey was decided, a fetus might be considered viable at 22 or 23 weeks rather than at the 28 weeks that was more common at the time of Roe. The plurality recognized viability as the point at which the state interest in the life of the fetus outweighs the rights of the woman and abortion may be banned entirely "except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother".

 

[Xchel]

abortions become more expensive as time goes on..they don't get cheaper so I don't buy the cost factor...

 

[BDBoop]

Spontanious abortion at 30 weeks? It isn't called spontanious abortion at 30 weeks and no it doesn't happen all the time in Africa..which btw, is a continent not a country, what you are referring to is called still birth...why? because the child died due to something going tragically wrong...most still births in Africa as a whole are related to HIV infection...there is nothing spontaneous about them either also we are not speaking about Sub Sahara Africa we are speaking about the USA where technology is much more advanced and where abortion is legal up to the second trimester.

SNAP!

Actually, abortion is legal in the US in most states right up to birth. It's all about how they code and describe it. And how it's reported.

Actually not it isn't...
Abortion is only unregulated and on demand in the first trimester up to 20 weeks..which goes into the second trimester. It is fairly difficult to get a second trimester abortion except under certain circumstances and in most states children under 18 must have parental consent.

In 1992, in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the Court overturned Roe's trimester approach and introduced the concept of viability. Today, approximately 90% of all abortions occur in the first 12 weeks.

Citation for quote, please?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're confused, alright... A true conservative would recognize that such a private decision is not the business of government!


In the United States, 9 out of 10 abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks (first trimester) of pregnancy. Most of these are done within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy.

Very few abortions are done after 16 weeks of pregnancy. But some women have to delay abortions because they have trouble with paying for, finding, or traveling to an abortion specialist.






And despite your misunderstanding of the Biblical citation, The Lord instructed Moses on the Law regarding infidelity whereby the Priest was assigned to Judge her circumstances and give the "bitter water" accordingly. What The Lord described was clearly an aborted pregnancy as the proper consequence for her infidelity...



If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry...


Mostly, I cite this Old Testament verse to demonstrate the hypocrisy of phony "conservatives" who use the Bible to rationalize their fear and loathing...

Who said anything about the government?

Nice straw man you got there.



Oh and there was no mention of pregnancy in that passage.

Your thread title calls for responses from pro-choice posters... That's political.






As for no mention of pregnancy...? Nice selective denial you got there...

"her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry"

Pro-choice people are a political group?

Fact is that passage does not mention pregnancy. But don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[BDBoop]

Who said anything about the government?

Nice straw man you got there.



Oh and there was no mention of pregnancy in that passage.

Your thread title calls for responses from pro-choice posters... That's political.






As for no mention of pregnancy...? Nice selective denial you got there...

"her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry"

Pro-choice people are a political group?

Fact is that passage does not mention pregnancy. But don't let the facts get in your way.

Okay. Name one physical instance outside of pregnancy where a MISCARRYING WOMB can happen.