A question for the pro-abortion aka pro-choice crowd

[kwc57]

Why do women abort their babies?

I understand there may be an ample number of reasons, but what, in your opinion would be the concensus?

I think it's purely for selfish reasons for the most part.

Your thoughts.

So you want to call a spade a spade? Why don't anti-abortion folks call themselves anti-choice? I'm with Neal Boortz on this when he says, "have you ever noticed that the people who scream the loudest about abortion are men who will never be faced with making the choice?" I understand that you are a "social conservative" and as such, you desire to control society based on your personal beliefs, wants and desires just like the socialist liberals. You just have a different social agenda to legislate. As a conservative (non-social), I don't consider it any of my business to tell people how to live their lives for them. I have a feeling that you'd throw a piss fit if abolitionist raised their ugly heads again and tried to take away your Lonestar beer or if the gun control crowd tried to take away your guns, wouldn't you? If you don't want them sticking their noses in your business, shouldn't you keep yours out of theirs? It's really the conservative thing to do.

Tell me what choice is given to the unborn child? What choice is given to the father of an aborted child?

I would never be faced with that choice because I would never procreate with a woman that would kill an unborn child.

It's nice to know you care so much for an unborn child. So much so that you would stand by and let it's life be snuffed out. And why? Because it's none of your business. You have no problem minding though huh?

None, it hasn't been born. The choice of the father is between he and the woman if he even knows about it.

So, before you've ever had sex with a woman, you've always checked her abortion stance first just on the chance you might father a child? Really? I would think that would prevent you from getting laid more than it would getting you laid. I don't know, maybe your experience has been different.

I do care for children, even the unborn. But you see, I've never been pregnant and I've never had to consider my circumstances and whether I could care for that child or not in the manner it should be cared for. As far as standing by and letting it's life be snufed out......how many abortions are you aware of? Do you stand outside clinics and confront women? I'm sure I've known a good number of women who have had abortions, but they never really bothered to consult me ahead of time or share it with me afterwards. It's pretty much an agonzing personal decision a woman makes unbeknownst to anyone else. How exactly am I supposed to "make it my business".

Look, the Bible says you shouldn't spill your "seed" on the ground, but I'm not going to get in your way when you want to jerk off. It's your business, not mine or the governments. That's the conservative view. Please don't screw up our chances at replacing Obama with a conservative by insisting on electing a social "conservative" who wants to legislate morality.

 

[catzmeow]

I think it's purely for selfish reasons for the most part.

If a person is selfish enough to kill her unborn child, do you really want her raising it?

 

[koshergrl]

The Lord never does, in your last post you pretended that was important, is it not important now?

Believe as you wish.

The Lord never speaks about homosexuality or abortion.

The Old Testament speaks against homosexuality and for abortion.

So which principle are you sticking to? The first one or the second one?

Yes, he does.

Why do you think Sodom & Gomorrah was leveled?

 

[catzmeow]

Yes, he does.

Why do you think Sodom & Gomorrah was leveled?

Because they were inhospitable. Research it.

http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5702

 

[koshergrl]

I think it's purely for selfish reasons for the most part.

If a person is selfish enough to kill her unborn child, do you really want her raising it?

Those aren't the only options, and never have been.

We as a society present them as the only options, however, and it's lying to do so.

 

[catzmeow]

Those aren't the only options, and never have been.

We as a society present them as the only options, however, and it's lying to do so.

Yes, I know that there are a lot of childless couples who would like to have a constant pool of adoptable children. The problem with this plan is that the sort of children who come from mothers who are selfish enough to abort them aren't going to be in high demand with the WASP types. They will be languishing in foster care for years because they are too black, too drug addicted, too unhealthy, too abused, too challenging, and not the standard white healthy infant that the average Christian couple in America wants to adopt.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The Lord never does, in your last post you pretended that was important, is it not important now?

Believe as you wish.

Backatcha. You believe me being silly means I never speak the truth? Believe as you wish.

I will, I believe you say exactly what you feel then when you're called out on it you say I was only being silly.

 

[BDBoop]

Believe as you wish.

Backatcha. You believe me being silly means I never speak the truth? Believe as you wish.

I will, I believe you say exactly what you feel then when you're called out on it you say I was only being silly.

As I understand you to know from personal experience; life is far too short for the games you are attempting to play.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

LOL!!!

And he never spoke out against homosexuality, and you use the Old Testament as an excuse to be a homophobe.

Try being consistent.

This is clearly stated: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) Moreover, it is also clear that the Law prescribes death for this abominable sin: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (Deuteronomy 23:17)

In Romans 1 homosexuality is presented as the end of the road. It is the lowest level of human depravity: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. (Romans 1:21-27)

But those are not the Lords words, are they?

I believe the Bible is the Word of God, however the passage you cited did not advocate abortion simply because it never stated the woman was pregnant or if she was then what was to be done about the baby.

"If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him... then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and the priest shall say unto the woman,

'The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell... and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot': And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot... and this woman shall bear her iniquity."

Numbers 5:11-31

“The Adultery Test”

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I think it's purely for selfish reasons for the most part.

If a person is selfish enough to kill her unborn child, do you really want her raising it?

Abortion is the only option?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Those aren't the only options, and never have been.

We as a society present them as the only options, however, and it's lying to do so.

Yes, I know that there are a lot of childless couples who would like to have a constant pool of adoptable children. The problem with this plan is that the sort of children who come from mothers who are selfish enough to abort them aren't going to be in high demand with the WASP types. They will be languishing in foster care for years because they are too black, too drug addicted, too unhealthy, too abused, too challenging, and not the standard white healthy infant that the average Christian couple in America wants to adopt.

So instead of letting these children have a chance at life even if they must languish for a few years, you would rather see them dead.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Backatcha. You believe me being silly means I never speak the truth? Believe as you wish.

I will, I believe you say exactly what you feel then when you're called out on it you say I was only being silly.

As I understand you to know from personal experience; life is far too short for the games you are attempting to play.

I don't play games.

 

[signelect]

After reading the opinion here it seems that we are far better at managing other peoples lives than our own. I am against abortion but I do understand why it happens. Birth control is a joke when hormones run wild.

 

[Dr.Drock]

The Lord never does, in your last post you pretended that was important, is it not important now?

Believe as you wish.

The Lord never speaks about homosexuality or abortion.

The Old Testament speaks against homosexuality and for abortion.

So which principle are you sticking to? The first one or the second one?

Nothing?

 

[Luissa]

This is clearly stated: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) Moreover, it is also clear that the Law prescribes death for this abominable sin: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (Deuteronomy 23:17)

In Romans 1 homosexuality is presented as the end of the road. It is the lowest level of human depravity: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. (Romans 1:21-27)

But those are not the Lords words, are they?

I believe the Bible is the Word of God, however the passage you cited did not advocate abortion simply because it never stated the woman was pregnant or if she was then what was to be done about the baby.

"If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him... then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and the priest shall say unto the woman,

'The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell... and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot': And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot... and this woman shall bear her iniquity."

Numbers 5:11-31

“The Adultery Test”

I didn't site anything, Valerie did. Confused much?

 

[catzmeow]

So instead of letting these children have a chance at life even if they must languish for a few years, you would rather see them dead.

First off, an abortion in the first trimester isn't killing a child. It's killing a clump of cells. Nature already performs this action in up to 1/4 of all pregnancies....it's called a miscarriage. If it's good enough for mother nature, then there is clearly nothing immoral about it. I don't have any problems with safe/sane limits on abortion at feasibility, around 20-24 weeks. However, a spontaneous or induced abortion in the first trimester is actually a normal process. Women's bodies do it all the time to correct for formative biological errors.

Second, a high percentage of the children who wind up in foster care for abuse/neglect also wind up in our prison system for criminal behavior.

If you'd worked with my clients, you might see that an abortion in the first trimester would have been the best thing, all around, for that individual. I have 8 clients who are in prison for homicide. In 2 cases, they committed multiple homicides. Had they been aborted, these kids would never have taken someone else's life.

I find it interesting how concerned you people always are about someone else's theoretical child, and how utterly unconcerned you are about existing children who are being abused, neglected, ignored, starved, maltreated, beaten and the like.

 

[catzmeow]

I think it's purely for selfish reasons for the most part.

If a person is selfish enough to kill her unborn child, do you really want her raising it?

Abortion is the only option?

Already addressed above.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

So instead of letting these children have a chance at life even if they must languish for a few years, you would rather see them dead.

First off, an abortion in the first trimester isn't killing a child. It's killing a clump of cells. Nature already performs this action on 30% of all pregnancies....it's called a miscarriage. If it's good enough for mother nature, then there is clearly nothing immoral about it.

Second, a high percentage of the children who wind up in foster care for abuse/neglect also wind up in our prison system for criminal behavior.

If you'd worked with my clients, you might see that an abortion in the first trimester would have been the best thing, all around, for that individual. I have 8 clients who are in prison for homicide. In 2 cases, they committed multiple homicides.

Had they been aborted, these kids would never have taken someone else's life.

I find it interesting how concerned you people always are about someone else's theoretical child, and how utterly unconcerned you are about existing children who are being abused, neglected, ignored, starved, maltreated, beaten and the like.

It's terminating a life. But spin it whichever way you want to clear your conscience.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

But those are not the Lords words, are they?

I believe the Bible is the Word of God, however the passage you cited did not advocate abortion simply because it never stated the woman was pregnant or if she was then what was to be done about the baby.

"If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him... then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and the priest shall say unto the woman,

'The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell... and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot': And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot... and this woman shall bear her iniquity."

Numbers 5:11-31

“The Adultery Test”

I didn't site anything, Valerie did. Confused much?

Yes you liberal pukes do confuse me.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

If a person is selfish enough to kill her unborn child, do you really want her raising it?

Abortion is the only option?

Already addressed above.

Yes and you explained your postition quite well. You would rather these children not have any chance at life.