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No corporate socialism exists.Conservatives say that they are not the party of the rich and corporate socialism while defending the actions and the very existence of ALEC. Which is it? Party of real Americans or puppet mouthpiece of aristocratic billionaires?
ACORN was interested in money, power and control over government. No different than this organization.ALEC is nothing like ACORN. ACORN was interested in housing poor people and getting them involved in the political process. Giving the poor a "buy in" to society generally helps them out of poverty.
You people are something else. Its okay when its for things you support, but heaven forbid that businesses band together to protect themselves from predatory egalitarianism.
ACORN wasn't writing laws that were taken verbatim..and enacted on state and federal levels.
No corporate socialism exists.Conservatives say that they are not the party of the rich and corporate socialism while defending the actions and the very existence of ALEC. Which is it? Party of real Americans or puppet mouthpiece of aristocratic billionaires?
However, I'll take corporatism over governmentism any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I can walk away from any corporation.
Where to I go to get rid of corrupt government? Because right now, government is a hundred times more corrupt than business; and they have guns. Businesses do not.
No corporation is a threat to liberty. Governments are threats to liberty. No corporation can write a law that can be upheld with deadly force. A government can.No corporate socialism exists.Conservatives say that they are not the party of the rich and corporate socialism while defending the actions and the very existence of ALEC. Which is it? Party of real Americans or puppet mouthpiece of aristocratic billionaires?
However, I'll take corporatism over governmentism any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I can walk away from any corporation.
Where to I go to get rid of corrupt government? Because right now, government is a hundred times more corrupt than business; and they have guns. Businesses do not.
You like running the country for their benefit alone even though it is more a threat to liberty than the government could ever be? Wannabe dirt poor serf is what you are.
No corporation is a threat to liberty. Governments are threats to liberty. No corporation can write a law that can be upheld with deadly force. A government can.No corporate socialism exists.
However, I'll take corporatism over governmentism any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I can walk away from any corporation.
Where to I go to get rid of corrupt government? Because right now, government is a hundred times more corrupt than business; and they have guns. Businesses do not.
You like running the country for their benefit alone even though it is more a threat to liberty than the government could ever be? Wannabe dirt poor serf is what you are.
Our government is not to be run for the benefit of anyone the way you mean it. It exits to settle disputes between the State, and to protect the people from the world outside our borders.
It does NOT exit to provide us with sustenance, money, benefits, housing, or jobs.
It does not exist to help the poor, the rich, or the middle class.. It does not exist to help people specifically at all..
This is the great failure of public education.
Our children are taught that government exists to provide things for the people.
I have yet to see a corporation write a law and enforce that law on the people in any manner at all.
To complain about corporations influencing government and ignoring other groups influencing government simply because you agree with THEIR influence is the height of hypocrisy.
Name one corporation that has been elected to sit in the house of representative, or the senate.No corporation is a threat to liberty. Governments are threats to liberty. No corporation can write a law that can be upheld with deadly force. A government can.You like running the country for their benefit alone even though it is more a threat to liberty than the government could ever be? Wannabe dirt poor serf is what you are.
Our government is not to be run for the benefit of anyone the way you mean it. It exits to settle disputes between the State, and to protect the people from the world outside our borders.
It does NOT exit to provide us with sustenance, money, benefits, housing, or jobs.
It does not exist to help the poor, the rich, or the middle class.. It does not exist to help people specifically at all..
This is the great failure of public education.
Our children are taught that government exists to provide things for the people.
I have yet to see a corporation write a law and enforce that law on the people in any manner at all.
To complain about corporations influencing government and ignoring other groups influencing government simply because you agree with THEIR influence is the height of hypocrisy.
You have yet to see a corporation write a law? Take another look at the organization called ALEC, do you live in a red state? Chances are they wrote most of the laws enacted in the last few years, enforcing the laws is the government's job but what the hell does it matter? The laws they are upholding came right from the desks of corporate paid lobbyists and if you break them chances are you will end up in a privatized, for-profit prison, another product of ALEC.
Do you think you are free with corporate control? Try doing anything or going anywhere without money. Freedom costs money in America and they want to make it more expensive every day.
The left is degenerating into a fantasy world of paranoia. What the hell is "legal corruption" and how does "mercenary lobbying" work? The strange part of liberal paranoia is that they want to give more power to big government who created the alleged loopholes they whine about. The left whines about something they call "mercenary lobbying" while their own party runs 2/3 of the government. If the degenerate paranoid left worried more about real concerns of the next four years instead of some mythical committee we might have a chance of surviving Hussein's 2nd term.
Comprised mostly of Republican State Legislators, Governors and Corporate Sponsors, ALEC is a clearinghouse for legal corruption, diverting millions in state tax dollars to corporate members through tax favoritism and no-bid privatization of government services. This group brings corporate cronyism, corruption and mercenary lobbying to a whole new level.
In essence corporations writing Federal and state laws regulating corporations.
Republican members of Congress and in other legislative venues should simply turn over their seats to the CEOs, and cut out the middleman altogether.
This also exhibits the idiocy of the rights whining about America becoming socialist.
Name one corporation that has been elected to sit in the house of representative, or the senate.No corporation is a threat to liberty. Governments are threats to liberty. No corporation can write a law that can be upheld with deadly force. A government can.
Our government is not to be run for the benefit of anyone the way you mean it. It exits to settle disputes between the State, and to protect the people from the world outside our borders.
It does NOT exit to provide us with sustenance, money, benefits, housing, or jobs.
It does not exist to help the poor, the rich, or the middle class.. It does not exist to help people specifically at all..
This is the great failure of public education.
Our children are taught that government exists to provide things for the people.
I have yet to see a corporation write a law and enforce that law on the people in any manner at all.
To complain about corporations influencing government and ignoring other groups influencing government simply because you agree with THEIR influence is the height of hypocrisy.
You have yet to see a corporation write a law? Take another look at the organization called ALEC, do you live in a red state? Chances are they wrote most of the laws enacted in the last few years, enforcing the laws is the government's job but what the hell does it matter? The laws they are upholding came right from the desks of corporate paid lobbyists and if you break them chances are you will end up in a privatized, for-profit prison, another product of ALEC.
Do you think you are free with corporate control? Try doing anything or going anywhere without money. Freedom costs money in America and they want to make it more expensive every day.
Name one bill they wrote, voted on, and enacted.
Oh, and in case you missed it. Money exited before the corporation did.
Name one corporation that has been elected to sit in the house of representative, or the senate.No corporation is a threat to liberty. Governments are threats to liberty. No corporation can write a law that can be upheld with deadly force. A government can.
Our government is not to be run for the benefit of anyone the way you mean it. It exits to settle disputes between the State, and to protect the people from the world outside our borders.
It does NOT exit to provide us with sustenance, money, benefits, housing, or jobs.
It does not exist to help the poor, the rich, or the middle class.. It does not exist to help people specifically at all..
This is the great failure of public education.
Our children are taught that government exists to provide things for the people.
I have yet to see a corporation write a law and enforce that law on the people in any manner at all.
To complain about corporations influencing government and ignoring other groups influencing government simply because you agree with THEIR influence is the height of hypocrisy.
You have yet to see a corporation write a law? Take another look at the organization called ALEC, do you live in a red state? Chances are they wrote most of the laws enacted in the last few years, enforcing the laws is the government's job but what the hell does it matter? The laws they are upholding came right from the desks of corporate paid lobbyists and if you break them chances are you will end up in a privatized, for-profit prison, another product of ALEC.
Do you think you are free with corporate control? Try doing anything or going anywhere without money. Freedom costs money in America and they want to make it more expensive every day.
Name one bill they wrote, voted on, and enacted.
Oh, and in case you missed it. Money exited before the corporation did.
ACORN was interested in money, power and control over government. No different than this organization.Yup, these bad boys were behind the Stand Your Ground legislation, the Voter ID laws and are fighting pollution laws like crazy among other issues.
ALEC is a Koch Brothers tool and it's up to no good. It's the far right's very own ACORN is a sense except much more powerful because of all the corporate money flowing into it. It certainly represents Plutocracy which threatens our Democratic process by drowning out the people's voices with Big Money..
ALEC is nothing like ACORN. ACORN was interested in housing poor people and getting them involved in the political process. Giving the poor a "buy in" to society generally helps them out of poverty.
You people are something else. Its okay when its for things you support, but heaven forbid that businesses band together to protect themselves from predatory egalitarianism.
I'll be glad when they're gone. For we now know that demoncraps are devoid of corruption and are pure at heart in all things in heaven and earth. Yep we knows it fo sho.
Sarcasm not withstanding Willow, you're wrong.
It's up to us, We, The People, to INSIST on transparency in the legislative process from all sides. The Democrats have proven that they are just as susceptible to graft and corruption as anyone, and ALICE needs to be watched and kept in the front row just like ALEC should have been all these years.
The base problem is not a Republican one, it's a willingness to sell legislation to the highest bidder, and a system that promotes that behavior.
Transparency for the Right...
Transparency for the Left...Transparency for all of Government.
Wait, what is a sensible post doing in this thread?
You lefty's should probably look up the Tide's Foundation and the Apollo Alliance.
You lefty's should probably look up the Tide's Foundation and the Apollo Alliance.
You righties should do some research, find some links and start a thread to discuss what drives your passions.
Comprised mostly of Republican State Legislators, Governors and Corporate Sponsors, ALEC is a clearinghouse for legal corruption, diverting millions in state tax dollars to corporate members through tax favoritism and no-bid privatization of government services. This group brings corporate cronyism, corruption and mercenary lobbying to a whole new level.
Bill Moyers said:Preview: United States of ALEC | Moyers & Company | BillMoyers.com
This week, Moyers & Company reports on the most influential corporate-funded political force most of America has never heard of ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. A national consortium of state politicians and powerful corporations, ALEC presents itself as a nonpartisan public-private partnership. But behind that mantra lies a vast network of corporate lobbying and political action aimed to increase corporate profits at public expense without public knowledge.
Wall Street Journal said:ALEC Is a Lobby, Not a Charity - WSJ.com - The evidence is overwhelming: This nonprofit is not entitled to tax-exempt status.
A lot of ALEC legislation appears to have been drafted by companies that are members of the organization to enhance their profits. It's understandable, and not necessarily bad, that companies support legislation that benefits them. But the way ALEC hides its initiativeswining and dining state legislators behind closed doors at resort hotels and then stepping into the background as those legislators introduce the bills under their own namesis deceptive.
More...
ALEC: The Voice of Corporate Special Interests In State Legislatures | People For the American Way
What is ALEC? - Alec Exposed
ALEC Gets a Break From State Lobbying Laws | Mother Jones
Fair and simple taxes...Public budgets that are balanced by law...Then, build an economy that your kids can drive to the stars.Transparency in all things politics.
It ain't rocket science, y'all.
Gee, I wonder why the left doesn't have anything like this.
Wait, they do, you just don't talk about them.
No corporation is a threat to liberty. Governments are threats to liberty. No corporation can write a law that can be upheld with deadly force. A government can.You like running the country for their benefit alone even though it is more a threat to liberty than the government could ever be? Wannabe dirt poor serf is what you are.
Our government is not to be run for the benefit of anyone the way you mean it. It exits to settle disputes between the State, and to protect the people from the world outside our borders.
It does NOT exit to provide us with sustenance, money, benefits, housing, or jobs.
It does not exist to help the poor, the rich, or the middle class.. It does not exist to help people specifically at all..
This is the great failure of public education.
Our children are taught that government exists to provide things for the people.
I have yet to see a corporation write a law and enforce that law on the people in any manner at all.
To complain about corporations influencing government and ignoring other groups influencing government simply because you agree with THEIR influence is the height of hypocrisy.
You have yet to see a corporation write a law? Take another look at the organization called ALEC, do you live in a red state? Chances are they wrote most of the laws enacted in the last few years, enforcing the laws is the government's job but what the hell does it matter? The laws they are upholding came right from the desks of corporate paid lobbyists and if you break them chances are you will end up in a privatized, for-profit prison, another product of ALEC.
Do you think you are free with corporate control? Try doing anything or going anywhere without money. Freedom costs money in America and they want to make it more expensive every day.
Sounds like ALEC is just what we need. Republicans need to cut the democrat controlled government loose and start seeing up alternative bodies. A shadow government specifically designed to interfere with the obama regime.