A History Mystery: Roosevelt- Why Lie?

[PoliticalChic]

10. A good time for a terminal summary of the thread, the dénouement!

Did FDR point out the policies of Hoover that led to the economic collapse.....and promise to reverse those policies? √

Did Roosevelt simply continue and even enlarge those same policies? √

Was Franklin Roosevelt a congenital liar? √



Although the title of the thread is the question of why Roosevelt lied- as the thread proved he did- in promising to reverse the policies that caused the economic reversals, the answer is left to the astute observer of the facts provided.

He promised one set of policies....policies that would have ended the recession/depression in a year or two- as it had under Warren Harding-

....and he did the very opposite.


We began the OP with this: Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In this thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?

Did Franklin Roosevelt actually intend to end it?


Hint: "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
Rahm Emanuel


No, friends......Franklin Delano Roosevelt, would-be dictator and megalomaniac, had no intention of ending the Depression.....he fully intended to use it to end the Constitution.


And he did.

 

[rightwinger]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Aren't they missing you back in Bizarro World?

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

 

[Unkotare]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Aren't they missing you back in Bizarro World?

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

 

[rightwinger]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Aren't they missing you back in Bizarro World?

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

When Republicans fuck up, they fuck up big time

No way to reverse that depression overnight. Best course of action was to help the millions of people who needed help

 

[Unkotare]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Aren't they missing you back in Bizarro World?

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

When Republicans fuck up, they fuck up big time

No way to reverse that depression overnight. Best course of action was to help the millions of people who needed help

Which people? The ones who remained poor during the depression he prolonged, the ones who died in the war, or the ones he threw into concentration camps?

 

[rightwinger]

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Aren't they missing you back in Bizarro World?

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

When Republicans fuck up, they fuck up big time

No way to reverse that depression overnight. Best course of action was to help the millions of people who needed help

Which people? The ones who remained poor during the depression he prolonged, the ones who died in the war, or the ones he threw into concentration camps?

Taking over the worst economy in our history was quite an endeavor

The camps were a product of the times. No different than you saw throughout the world in those troubled times. Not many Americans objected to them.......in fact, most demanded them

 

[Unkotare]

Shameless fucking apologist ^^^^^^^^

 

[rightwinger]

Shameless fucking apologist ^^^^^^^^

Revisionist history on your part

Very few countries involved in WWII did not have some form of internment. It was overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and even the Supreme Court blessed it

Was it right? No

But that was the world in 1942

 

[PoliticalChic]

Folks lie to get something they want, or to hide some damaging truth. In the following thread, Roosevelt's momentous lie about fixing the economy is revealed.....

...and the question posed is....what did he have to gain?



Folks were truly frightened by the Hoover Recession....and had faith in the promises of Franklin Roosevelt, that he knew exactly what caused the economic downturn...and knew the steps necessary to cure same.

And, he did know: After all, It had been done earlier by Harding, and he, Harding, cured a similar recession/depression in the time most American economic calamities required: a year or two.


So.....if he knew what had to be done....and promised to do exactly that.....

...why did Franklin Roosevelt lie to the public, and- not just ignore the cures...but institute policies that extended the Depression a full decade?????

Why?



1. "Though modern myth claims that the free market “self destructed” in 1929, government policy was the debacle’s principal culprit. If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that.
But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years.

Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.


2. Did Hoover really subscribe to a “hands-off-the-economy,” free-market philosophy? His opponent in the 1932 election, Franklin Roosevelt, didn’t think so. During the campaign, a) Roosevelt blasted Hoover for spending and taxing too much,
b) boosting the national debt,
c) choking off trade, and
d)putting millions on the dole.
e) [Roosevelt accused Hoover] of “reckless and extravagant” spending,
f) of thinking “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and g) of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Contrary to the conventional view about Hoover, Roosevelt and Garner were absolutely right." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed



a. Roosevelt’s running mate, John Nance Garner, charged that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism.”
“FDR’s Disputed Legacy,” Time, February 1, 1982, p. 23




Now....look over that list of charges by Roosevelt at Hoover, economic policy mistakes....and, since he was correct in those accusations......... why the heck would Roosevelt continue with every single one of 'em????


Roosevelt: Why lie????

Prosperity is just around the corner

Republicans lied about it FDR made it happen

Aren't they missing you back in Bizarro World?

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

Of course he does.

He lies, right from the avi he picked.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Aren't they missing you back in Bizarro World?

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

When Republicans fuck up, they fuck up big time

No way to reverse that depression overnight. Best course of action was to help the millions of people who needed help

Which people? The ones who remained poor during the depression he prolonged, the ones who died in the war, or the ones he threw into concentration camps?

Taking over the worst economy in our history was quite an endeavor

The camps were a product of the times. No different than you saw throughout the world in those troubled times. Not many Americans objected to them.......in fact, most demanded them

Stop lying.

If it was "the worst economy in our history"...Roosevelt made it so.


1. Few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. And the Republican Harding cured as bad a recession in a year or two.
"America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding....Harding inherited the Woodrow Wilson mess, in particular the post-World War I depression –almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted thatthe magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decriedhigh taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy.



Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and calledfor tax cutsin his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. ...Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did."
This is the economic history lesson....

Harding's result: "....the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway!The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime."http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

 

[PoliticalChic]

Shameless fucking apologist ^^^^^^^^

Revisionist history on your part

Very few countries involved in WWII did not have some form of internment. It was overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and even the Supreme Court blessed it

Was it right? No

But that was the world in 1942

Gee.....sounds like the same line all the other 'good Germans' uses.

 

[rightwinger]

Shameless fucking apologist ^^^^^^^^

Revisionist history on your part

Very few countries involved in WWII did not have some form of internment. It was overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and even the Supreme Court blessed it

Was it right? No

But that was the world in 1942

Gee.....sounds like the same line all the other 'good Germans' uses.

Yup...and we had separate restrooms for colored too

 

[Camp]

Actually....revisionist history bizarro world is trying to reshape what the greatest modern President accomplished

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

When Republicans fuck up, they fuck up big time

No way to reverse that depression overnight. Best course of action was to help the millions of people who needed help

Which people? The ones who remained poor during the depression he prolonged, the ones who died in the war, or the ones he threw into concentration camps?

Taking over the worst economy in our history was quite an endeavor

The camps were a product of the times. No different than you saw throughout the world in those troubled times. Not many Americans objected to them.......in fact, most demanded them

Stop lying.

If it was "the worst economy in our history"...Roosevelt made it so.


1. Few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. And the Republican Harding cured as bad a recession in a year or two.
"America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding....Harding inherited the Woodrow Wilson mess, in particular the post-World War I depression –almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted thatthe magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decriedhigh taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy.



Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and calledfor tax cutsin his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. ...Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did."
This is the economic history lesson....

Harding's result: "....the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway!The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime."http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

More distortion via omission. Left out, the stock market crash of 1929 which was the beginning of the Great Depression and the beginning of a global depression that FDR inherited, quickly followed by devastating natural desasters called draught and wind created dust storms that became known as Dust Bowl Storms.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Shameless fucking apologist ^^^^^^^^

Revisionist history on your part

Very few countries involved in WWII did not have some form of internment. It was overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and even the Supreme Court blessed it

Was it right? No

But that was the world in 1942

Gee.....sounds like the same line all the other 'good Germans' uses.

Yup...and we had separate restrooms for colored too

Roosevelt has a long and documented record of opposing Asians, blacks and Jews....

." Why did the administration actively seek to discourage and disqualify Jewish refugees from coming to the United States? Why didn't the president quietly tell his State Department (which administered the immigration system) to fill the quotas for Germany and Axis-occupied countries to the legal limit? That alonecould have saved 190,000 lives.It would not have required a fight with Congress or the anti-immigration forces; it would have involved minimal political risk to the president."FDR's troubling view of Jews



Interesting questions that an inquiring mind would have no trouble answering when considering Roosevelt's attitude toward other minorities....


"This attitude dovetails with what is known aboutFDR's views regarding immigrants in general and Asian immigrants in particular.... He recommended thatfuture immigration should be limited to those who had "blood of the right sort." "
Op. Cit.

 

[rightwinger]

Shameless fucking apologist ^^^^^^^^

Revisionist history on your part

Very few countries involved in WWII did not have some form of internment. It was overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and even the Supreme Court blessed it

Was it right? No

But that was the world in 1942

Gee.....sounds like the same line all the other 'good Germans' uses.

Yup...and we had separate restrooms for colored too

Roosevelt has a long and documented record of opposing Asians, blacks and Jews....

." Why did the administration actively seek to discourage and disqualify Jewish refugees from coming to the United States? Why didn't the president quietly tell his State Department (which administered the immigration system) to fill the quotas for Germany and Axis-occupied countries to the legal limit? That alonecould have saved 190,000 lives.It would not have required a fight with Congress or the anti-immigration forces; it would have involved minimal political risk to the president."FDR's troubling view of Jews



Interesting questions that an inquiring mind would have no trouble answering when considering Roosevelt's attitude toward other minorities....


"This attitude dovetails with what is known aboutFDR's views regarding immigrants in general and Asian immigrants in particular.... He recommended thatfuture immigration should be limited to those who had "blood of the right sort." "
Op. Cit.

How many politicians in 1930-1945 disagreed with him?

 

[PoliticalChic]

FD-fucking scumbag-R's reckless, irresponsible fucking around with the economy most certainly did not end the Great Depression or 'make prosperity happen.' Even a fool like you should know better than that.

When Republicans fuck up, they fuck up big time

No way to reverse that depression overnight. Best course of action was to help the millions of people who needed help

Which people? The ones who remained poor during the depression he prolonged, the ones who died in the war, or the ones he threw into concentration camps?

Taking over the worst economy in our history was quite an endeavor

The camps were a product of the times. No different than you saw throughout the world in those troubled times. Not many Americans objected to them.......in fact, most demanded them

Stop lying.

If it was "the worst economy in our history"...Roosevelt made it so.


1. Few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. And the Republican Harding cured as bad a recession in a year or two.
"America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding....Harding inherited the Woodrow Wilson mess, in particular the post-World War I depression –almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted thatthe magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decriedhigh taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy.



Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and calledfor tax cutsin his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. ...Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did."
This is the economic history lesson....

Harding's result: "....the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway!The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime."http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

More distortion via omission. Left out, the stock market crash of 1929 which was the beginning of the Great Depression and the beginning of a global depression that FDR inherited, quickly followed by devastating natural desasters called draught and wind created dust storms that became known as Dust Bowl Storms.

Other nations recovered faster than America because they didn't have the dictator Roosevelt in charge.

I must admit that I enjoy proving you to be a liar and a fraud daily.

Don't ever change.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Shameless fucking apologist ^^^^^^^^

Revisionist history on your part

Very few countries involved in WWII did not have some form of internment. It was overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and even the Supreme Court blessed it

Was it right? No

But that was the world in 1942

Gee.....sounds like the same line all the other 'good Germans' uses.

Yup...and we had separate restrooms for colored too

Roosevelt has a long and documented record of opposing Asians, blacks and Jews....

." Why did the administration actively seek to discourage and disqualify Jewish refugees from coming to the United States? Why didn't the president quietly tell his State Department (which administered the immigration system) to fill the quotas for Germany and Axis-occupied countries to the legal limit? That alonecould have saved 190,000 lives.It would not have required a fight with Congress or the anti-immigration forces; it would have involved minimal political risk to the president."FDR's troubling view of Jews



Interesting questions that an inquiring mind would have no trouble answering when considering Roosevelt's attitude toward other minorities....


"This attitude dovetails with what is known aboutFDR's views regarding immigrants in general and Asian immigrants in particular.... He recommended thatfuture immigration should be limited to those who had "blood of the right sort." "
Op. Cit.

How many politicians in 1930-1945 disagreed with him?

Changing the subject?

That means I win, huh?

Now change your avi.....how about something catchy....like 'Totalist" or 'FDRApologist' or simply 'LongTimeLiar"?

 

[rightwinger]

When Republicans fuck up, they fuck up big time

No way to reverse that depression overnight. Best course of action was to help the millions of people who needed help

Which people? The ones who remained poor during the depression he prolonged, the ones who died in the war, or the ones he threw into concentration camps?

Taking over the worst economy in our history was quite an endeavor

The camps were a product of the times. No different than you saw throughout the world in those troubled times. Not many Americans objected to them.......in fact, most demanded them

Stop lying.

If it was "the worst economy in our history"...Roosevelt made it so.


1. Few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. And the Republican Harding cured as bad a recession in a year or two.
"America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding....Harding inherited the Woodrow Wilson mess, in particular the post-World War I depression –almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted thatthe magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decriedhigh taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy.



Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and calledfor tax cutsin his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. ...Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did."
This is the economic history lesson....

Harding's result: "....the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway!The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime."http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

More distortion via omission. Left out, the stock market crash of 1929 which was the beginning of the Great Depression and the beginning of a global depression that FDR inherited, quickly followed by devastating natural desasters called draught and wind created dust storms that became known as Dust Bowl Storms.

Other nations recovered faster than America because they didn't have the dictator Roosevelt in charge.

I must admit that I enjoy proving you to be a liar and a fraud daily.

Don't ever change.

Like FDR said.....people don't eat in the long run

He was more concerned with helping people than corporations

 

[rightwinger]

Revisionist history on your part

Very few countries involved in WWII did not have some form of internment. It was overwhelmingly supported by most Americans and even the Supreme Court blessed it

Was it right? No

But that was the world in 1942

Gee.....sounds like the same line all the other 'good Germans' uses.

Yup...and we had separate restrooms for colored too

Roosevelt has a long and documented record of opposing Asians, blacks and Jews....

." Why did the administration actively seek to discourage and disqualify Jewish refugees from coming to the United States? Why didn't the president quietly tell his State Department (which administered the immigration system) to fill the quotas for Germany and Axis-occupied countries to the legal limit? That alonecould have saved 190,000 lives.It would not have required a fight with Congress or the anti-immigration forces; it would have involved minimal political risk to the president."FDR's troubling view of Jews



Interesting questions that an inquiring mind would have no trouble answering when considering Roosevelt's attitude toward other minorities....


"This attitude dovetails with what is known aboutFDR's views regarding immigrants in general and Asian immigrants in particular.... He recommended thatfuture immigration should be limited to those who had "blood of the right sort." "
Op. Cit.

How many politicians in 1930-1945 disagreed with him?

Changing the subject?

That means I win, huh?

Now change your avi.....how about something catchy....like 'Totalist" or 'FDRApologist' or simply 'LongTimeLiar"?

Just calling you on revisionist history

Show me leaders from that era who believed otherwise

 

[PoliticalChic]

Which people? The ones who remained poor during the depression he prolonged, the ones who died in the war, or the ones he threw into concentration camps?

Taking over the worst economy in our history was quite an endeavor

The camps were a product of the times. No different than you saw throughout the world in those troubled times. Not many Americans objected to them.......in fact, most demanded them

Stop lying.

If it was "the worst economy in our history"...Roosevelt made it so.


1. Few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."

Know how many there were?

Over thirty.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. And the Republican Harding cured as bad a recession in a year or two.
"America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding....Harding inherited the Woodrow Wilson mess, in particular the post-World War I depression –almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted thatthe magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decriedhigh taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy.



Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and calledfor tax cutsin his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. ...Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did."
This is the economic history lesson....

Harding's result: "....the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway!The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime."http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

More distortion via omission. Left out, the stock market crash of 1929 which was the beginning of the Great Depression and the beginning of a global depression that FDR inherited, quickly followed by devastating natural desasters called draught and wind created dust storms that became known as Dust Bowl Storms.

Other nations recovered faster than America because they didn't have the dictator Roosevelt in charge.

I must admit that I enjoy proving you to be a liar and a fraud daily.

Don't ever change.

Like FDR said.....people don't eat in the long run

He was more concerned with helping people than corporations

No he wasn't.

His concern was increasing his power at the expense of liberty and the Constitution.



So.....when will you be changing that avi?