A Former Classmate Of Barack Obama Speaks Out

[Avorysuds]

Like it or not, at present, those ARE the only two options.

Denying that fact will not change it.

Here is the only fact you need to be concerned with.

Failure to gain enough support will cause an election loss.

Sucking up to big government will hand you that loss.

Here is the ONLY fact that matters for you in this election.

President Obama could get re-elected.

If you don't want that to happen, then get off your high horse and work to prevent it.

Voting 3P will not be such a method.

Seeing that Mitt can't win I'd say you already ensured Obama's second term. You just live in a fantasy world where somehow Mitt will get support that he has never been able to obtain. Yes, Mitt will get at least 40-45% of the vote... A dead rabbit painted red with an R next to it would get 40-45% of the vote. It's that 10-15% that you have to pull, and Mitt is gonna have a fuck of a time pulling that when he gets less people to show up 4 years later when he is the front runnier in the primaries than when he was in seconds 4 years ago during the primaries.

 

[Liability]

Here is the only fact you need to be concerned with.

Failure to gain enough support will cause an election loss.

Sucking up to big government will hand you that loss.

Here is the ONLY fact that matters for you in this election.

President Obama could get re-elected.

If you don't want that to happen, then get off your high horse and work to prevent it.

Voting 3P will not be such a method.

He could...

Tell me why should I support a candidate that supports NDAA like the current potus?

Why should I support a candidate that only supports the second when convenient?

Two very fair questions.

Don't. You are free to vote for whomever you wish. I'm just saying that your vote has implications and potential consequences.

By the way, I agree with the NDAA.

 

[The T]

-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

^^ Let us pray the above goes down courtesy of the SCOTUS.

Considering the number of Justices on the SCOTUS who also cling to the same political tenets that O. does, I'm still nervous about how that's going to "go down".

No more nervous than I, but seeing the drubbing O's AG proxy got? I'm hopeful...and seeing O's reaction and subsequent threat to the SCOTUS?

Bolstered the hope.

 

[Liability]

Here is the only fact you need to be concerned with.

Failure to gain enough support will cause an election loss.

Sucking up to big government will hand you that loss.

Here is the ONLY fact that matters for you in this election.

President Obama could get re-elected.

If you don't want that to happen, then get off your high horse and work to prevent it.

Voting 3P will not be such a method.

Seeing that Mitt can't win I'd say you already ensured Obama's second term. You just live in a fantasy world where somehow Mitt will get support that he has never been able to obtain. Yes, Mitt will get at least 40-45% of the vote... A dead rabbit painted red with an R next to it would get 40-45% of the vote. It's that 10-15% that you have to pull, and Mitt is gonna have a fuck of a time pulling that when he gets less people to show up 4 years later when he is the front runnier in the primaries than when he was in seconds 4 years ago during the primaries.

Mitt can win. Your dopey argument fails at the first step.

You are unable to make sense.

I'm guessing you were dribbled like a basketball at birth.

 

[clevergirl]

How many times do you think the "John Galt Bullshit" will work as an argument?

You tell me. You're the one presenting the John Galt bullshit.

I have enumerated and stated my problems with Obama and his policies a number of times- You are the one throwing out the one liners as if that is an argument.

Really? So you mean that John Galt bullshit about "systematic destruction of the country" isn't a one liner? Well fuck me in the ass with a cactus!

Fine- zero

 

[Avorysuds]

Seeing the damage he's done? it isn't hard to see what he subscribes to, and plans to use in his re-election bid as he's already obsconded with a law that commanders 1/6th of the US Economy on a 'trumped up' crisis called healthcare.

Oh T, I see what you're saying...

You argue is that because Bush on a scale of 1-10 was maybe an 6, but that Obama is an 8, us electing Mitt into office who is a 7, is the country moving in the right direction.

I see Mitt as better than Obama, sure. But I look at the big picture, we are moving the Republican party more left, Progressive liberal even... So what does it matter when in 2016 when you have 2 very progressive liberals trying to run for office, much like we have today? Was it me that helped get us to this point, or you?

If Obama wins we can thank all those able to vote who either voted for him in actuality or in absence- That's a fact.

I disagree with your estimation of Romney and his abilities/goals- but regardless, your position helps an Obama win-

There is no way in hell Romney is an Obama type ideologue and there is no proof that he is- NONE. Is he the conservative you hoped for? Obviously you do not think so- So you are stuck with the fact that a non vote for Romney is a vote for Obama- That is a FACT. Primaries allow a vote of conscience in a two party system- Picking up your toys and going home because your guy didn't win is definitely an option- but imo a piss poor one.

You are the reason Obama will win. You put up a useless turd Mitt and now people just don't give a fuck. You need to take responsibility for what you helped create. It’s not my job or anyone else’s job to vote for “your guy.” Just as it’s not your job to write in or support someone that I tell you too… In fact your argument is so full of shit I could say that if you all voted for Ron Paul then he would beat Obama and you would have conservative, and if you don’t vote for Ron Paul you helped Obama get re-elected, and with your logic I’d be 100% dead on right. But that’s not logic…

What you’re doing is pitiful and disgusting propaganda for the record.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Here, because the partisanship is mindblowing in this useless thread I'll try and stick it more up to date.

At the end (couldn't find shorter one) Mitt supports Romneycare (Obamacare) on a Natinal level. Mitt Romney Flip Flops | Mitt Romney abortion | Mitt Romney global warming | Mitt Romney Obamacare - YouTube

Mitt supports the Bush/McCain Amnesty Romney stammers when asked his views on immigration - YouTube

Mitt supports TARP, Bailouts Romney - Believe in Bailouts - YouTube

Mitt supports Obama Stimulus PROOF: Mitt Romney Is As Liberal As OBAMA!!! - YouTube 3 min 22 seconds in.

Now you super hard core American loving "conservatives," Get out there and vote for the downfall of America by voting for Mitt!!!!!

You appear to laboring under the misguided assumption that most, if not all, self-identified Conservatives favor Romney.

 

[edthecynic]

-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

^^ Let us pray the above goes down courtesy of the SCOTUS.

And that the Obama Administration goes down courtesy of an awakened electorate.

You mean a misinformed electorate!!!

But it's good to see CON$ suddenly believe in recycling, even if it is recycling their old lies. The GOP was spreading this lie in 2010 and it is still a lie in 2012. Of course the same assholes who swallowed this bullshit then will gobble it down now!!!

 

[Avorysuds]

Here, because the partisanship is mindblowing in this useless thread I'll try and stick it more up to date.

At the end (couldn't find shorter one) Mitt supports Romneycare (Obamacare) on a Natinal level. Mitt Romney Flip Flops | Mitt Romney abortion | Mitt Romney global warming | Mitt Romney Obamacare - YouTube

Mitt supports the Bush/McCain Amnesty Romney stammers when asked his views on immigration - YouTube

Mitt supports TARP, Bailouts Romney - Believe in Bailouts - YouTube

Mitt supports Obama Stimulus PROOF: Mitt Romney Is As Liberal As OBAMA!!! - YouTube 3 min 22 seconds in.

Now you super hard core American loving "conservatives," Get out there and vote for the downfall of America by voting for Mitt!!!!!

You appear to laboring under the misguided assumption that most, if not all, self-identified Conservatives favor Romney.

No... lol... that would be the people yelling at anyone that won't vote for Mitt. "You're not a conservative if you vote for one... only if you vote for the liberal Mitt!"

 

[Liability]

^^ Let us pray the above goes down courtesy of the SCOTUS.

And that the Obama Administration goes down courtesy of an awakened electorate.

You mean a misinformed electorate!!!

But it's good to see CON$ suddenly believe in recycling, even if it is recycling their old lies. The GOP was spreading this lie in 2010 and it is still a lie in 2012. Of course the same assholes who swallowed this bullshit then will gobble it down now!!!

No, ya dipshit. I mean by an awakened electorate -- which is why I said it, you moron.

The people were misinformed, ignorant and foolish when they voted FOR President Obama the first time.

It's not at all surprising to see you libs wallowing in dishonesty to make your "points." The truth never works out too well for you assholes.

 

[Avorysuds]

^^ Let us pray the above goes down courtesy of the SCOTUS.

And that the Obama Administration goes down courtesy of an awakened electorate.

You mean a misinformed electorate!!!

But it's good to see CON$ suddenly believe in recycling, even if it is recycling their old lies. The GOP was spreading this lie in 2010 and it is still a lie in 2012. Of course the same assholes who swallowed this bullshit then will gobble it down now!!!

I fully understand why many people don't like Republicans. What I don't understand is why people like you that don't like CON$ support the very same thing when you vote Democrat... I'm talking about policy btw.

 

[Avorysuds]

Liability, you are in fact the most dangerous thing in this country. A person so unwilling to vote what they believe in over who can win that you have dragged this country down. As that dangerous lazy mentality takes over the country the closer the final collapse will be.

Politicians understand the game, they understand that all they need to do is say what you want to hear but the overall agenda can be identical, Grow Government. Liability, you have a team, team R. Politicians understand that you will support that team even when it fails you for years due to that very basic human nature that is the team mentality. You are nothing new, you are the what is described at the “stupid masses.”

 

[Full-Auto]

Here is the ONLY fact that matters for you in this election.

President Obama could get re-elected.

If you don't want that to happen, then get off your high horse and work to prevent it.

Voting 3P will not be such a method.

He could...

Tell me why should I support a candidate that supports NDAA like the current potus?

Why should I support a candidate that only supports the second when convenient?

Two very fair questions.

Don't. You are free to vote for whomever you wish. I'm just saying that your vote has implications and potential consequences.

By the way, I agree with the NDAA.

You agree that any citizen should or could be held without charge indefinitely?

Why have a constitution?

 

[edthecynic]

And that the Obama Administration goes down courtesy of an awakened electorate.

You mean a misinformed electorate!!!

But it's good to see CON$ suddenly believe in recycling, even if it is recycling their old lies. The GOP was spreading this lie in 2010 and it is still a lie in 2012. Of course the same assholes who swallowed this bullshit then will gobble it down now!!!

I fully understand why many people don't like Republicans. What I don't understand is why people like you that don't like CON$ support the very same thing when you vote Democrat... I'm talking about policy btw.

I'm a lifelong registered Independent who has ALWAYS voted 3rd Party or write in.

And if you think exposing the lies of the CON$, like that crap about 15 to 20 thousand IRS agents, is supporting the CONS, you're nutzi!!

 

[edthecynic]

And that the Obama Administration goes down courtesy of an awakened electorate.

You mean a misinformed electorate!!!

But it's good to see CON$ suddenly believe in recycling, even if it is recycling their old lies. The GOP was spreading this lie in 2010 and it is still a lie in 2012. Of course the same assholes who swallowed this bullshit then will gobble it down now!!!

No, ya dipshit. I mean by an awakened electorate -- which is why I said it, you moron.

The people were misinformed, ignorant and foolish when they voted FOR President Obama the first time.

It's not at all surprising to see you libs wallowing in dishonesty to make your "points." The truth never works out too well for you assholes.

No you mean misinformed electorate because that's the only way the GOP can win, with assholes like you swallowing the GOP bullshit about 15 to 20 thousand IRS agents.

 

[paulitician]

Rahm Emanuel cynically said, "You never want a crisis to go to waste." It is now becoming clear that the crisis he was referring to is Barack Obama's presidency.

And if a crisis doesn't exist? Invent one then ride to the rescue.

Rahm Emanuel cynically said, "You never want a crisis to go to waste." It is now becoming clear that the crisis he was referring to is Barack Obama's presidency.

Yup.

 

[Liability]

You mean a misinformed electorate!!!

But it's good to see CON$ suddenly believe in recycling, even if it is recycling their old lies. The GOP was spreading this lie in 2010 and it is still a lie in 2012. Of course the same assholes who swallowed this bullshit then will gobble it down now!!!

No, ya dipshit. I mean by an awakened electorate -- which is why I said it, you moron.

The people were misinformed, ignorant and foolish when they voted FOR President Obama the first time.

It's not at all surprising to see you libs wallowing in dishonesty to make your "points." The truth never works out too well for you assholes.

No you mean misinformed electorate because that's the only way the GOP can win, with assholes like you swallowing the GOP bullshit about 15 to 20 thousand IRS agents.

No, ya smarmy idiot asshole. I meant what I said. Idiots like you mean "misinformed electorate." Actually scum like you mean UNinformed electorate.

You RELY on uninformed electorates to GET scum-suckers like President Obama into Office.

You LOATHE an informed electorate because they might be smart enough to toss the dope OUT of office.

 

[Liability]

You mean a misinformed electorate!!!

But it's good to see CON$ suddenly believe in recycling, even if it is recycling their old lies. The GOP was spreading this lie in 2010 and it is still a lie in 2012. Of course the same assholes who swallowed this bullshit then will gobble it down now!!!

I fully understand why many people don't like Republicans. What I don't understand is why people like you that don't like CON$ support the very same thing when you vote Democrat... I'm talking about policy btw.

I'm a lifelong registered Independent who has ALWAYS voted 3rd Party or write in.

And if you think exposing the lies of the CON$, like that crap about 15 to 20 thousand IRS agents, is supporting the CONS, you're nutzi!!

Bullshit. You'd go down on President Obama if you could. You are one of the most obvious transparent frauds ever to post at USMB.

 

[Liability]

Liability, you are in fact the most dangerous thing in this country. A person so unwilling to vote what they believe in over who can win that you have dragged this country down. As that dangerous lazy mentality takes over the country the closer the final collapse will be.

Politicians understand the game, they understand that all they need to do is say what you want to hear but the overall agenda can be identical, Grow Government. Liability, you have a team, team R. Politicians understand that you will support that team even when it fails you for years due to that very basic human nature that is the team mentality. You are nothing new, you are the what is described at the “stupid masses.”

Avory your opinion and a train fare might get you on to a train. Maybe.

But beyond that, your opinion is utterly worthless.

It is fools like YOU -- who may nevertheless actually VOTE -- who represent the dire threat to this Republic. Because of dopes like you, we HAVE the Obama Administration.

 

[Liability]

He could...

Tell me why should I support a candidate that supports NDAA like the current potus?

Why should I support a candidate that only supports the second when convenient?

Two very fair questions.

Don't. You are free to vote for whomever you wish. I'm just saying that your vote has implications and potential consequences.

By the way, I agree with the NDAA.

You agree that any citizen should or could be held without charge indefinitely?

Why have a constitution?

That is STILL not what the Act says.

It never was.