A Conservative Third Party Movement?

[Orange_Juice]

So is it your contention that Medicare wasn't needed when it was begun, because other people were taking care of these people before Medicare existed?

Why don't these people answer simple questions?

 

[editec]

Somebody really ought to alert most of these people complaining about welfare that aht battle was won by the conservatives during the Clinton Administration.

They keep talking about welfare as though we still had the same system we had decades ago.

You think there's welfare out there for you if you don't work, but are healthy enough to work?

Try and get it. Seriously, try and get it.

You won't be able to, believe me.

 

[Orange_Juice]

Somebody really ought to alert most of these people complaining about welfare that aht battle was won by the conservatives during the Clinton Administration.

They keep talking about welfare as though we still had the same system we had decades ago.

You think there's welfare out there for you if you don't work, but are healthy enough to work?

Try and get it. Seriously, try and get it.

You won't be able to, believe me.

Hurrah for Welfare reform, which President Clinton signed!

 

[editec]

Hurrah for Welfare reform, which President Clinton signed!

He "reform of welfare" was pretty much everything the Republican Party had been asking for.

That's one of the reasons they so hated him, BTW.

He stole one of their main planks in their platform.

 

[alan1]

He "reform of welfare" was pretty much everything the Republican Party had been asking for.

That's one of the reasons they so hated him, BTW.

He stole one of their main planks in their platform.

Why?
Was it because his own platform was devoid of ideas?

 

[Red Dawn]

Actually, Id love to end most if not all social programs. Because I dont believe the nonsense argument that if government didnt take care of these people no one would.

Thank you for the honesty about the core values of Conservative ideology.

Is there any chance you could nominate conservative republicans to run, who want to eliminate medicare and have senior citizens rely on charity instead? Because that would be fucking awesome.

The whole point of a free society is to all men and women to do good on their own with their own resources. When people delgate their responsibility to do good to the government, which uses the money of others, they arent good people.

Most conservatives would starve to death if they were "left alone" to make do with their "own" resources. Are conservatives really contemplating driving only on private roads, going to private schools, and growing their own crops because our food is transported via public infrastructure and inspected by public saftey regulators?

And the needs of the people arent met like the need to be.

Huh? Is this even English?

 

[alan1]

Thank you for the honesty about the core values of Conservative ideology.

Is there any chance you could nominate conservative republicans to run, who want to eliminate medicare and have senior citizens rely on charity instead? Because that would be fucking awesome.

Yes, it's quite unfortunate that so many people think they have to rely on some inept government bureaucracy to take care of them.

Most conservatives would starve to death if they were "left alone" to make do with their "own" resources. Are conservatives really contemplating driving only on private roads, going to private schools, and growing their own crops because our food is transported via public infrastructure and inspected by public saftey regulators?

Well, that's quite the generalization coming from somebody that wants to rely on some government entity to take care of them.
What would you do if the government was your nanny?

 

[editec]

Why?
Was it because his own platform was devoid of ideas?

Proabably.

He was running on a Republican lite platform which included welfare reform which was basically the model of reform that the Republicans had been asking for for decades.

 

[editec]

Yes, it's quite unfortunate that so many people think they have to rely on some inept government bureaucracy to take care of them.

Almost as tragic as the people who the inept government is taking care of you don't understand their society well enough to appreciate it.

What would you do if the government was your nanny?

I'd look for much much bigger checks in my birthday cards, for one thing.

 

[alan1]

A,ost as tragic as the people who the inept government is taking care of you don't understand their society well enough to appreciate it.

More like I don't understand how they allowed themselves to get into that situation.

I'd look for much much bigger checks in my birthday cards, for one thing.

I said nanny, not granny.

 

[editec]

More like I don't understand how they allowed themselves to get into that situation.

Apparently they took the road to hell paved with good intentions.

It's a very busy thoroughfare.

I said nanny, not granny.

My error.

I wasn't rich enough to have a nanny.

We were so poor we could only afford one grandmother and she could bearly speak English.

I think they got her at the discount Czechout line.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Thank you for the honesty about the core values of Conservative ideology.

That sounded to me like one person's opinion and not the core of all conservative thinking

Is there any chance you could nominate conservative republicans to run, who want to eliminate medicare and have senior citizens rely on charity instead? Because that would be fucking awesome.

Obviously any changes to the current system would have to be gradual since we have managed to create generations of people dependent on the government.

Most conservatives would starve to death if they were "left alone" to make do with their "own" resources. Are conservatives really contemplating driving only on private roads, going to private schools, and growing their own crops because our food is transported via public infrastructure and inspected by public saftey regulators?

Oh yes sage libby, if we didn't have you to watch what we eat or set our thermostats for us we'll all just die.

I cannot be a good parent unless the government tracks my kid's weight and polices his lunch box for cookies and candy.

And there were roads before the interstate highway system. The states took care of their own. I dare to say that if that were still the case, the entire country wouldn't be paying for the bid dig debacle in Boston. Only the people who actually use it would be stuck for the cost of the corruption.

 

[submarinepainter]

America has already rejected Conservativism

No they haven't Conservatives will make a comeback

He's really a RhINO though I'd say.

Ron Paul is not a RINO the rest are

 

[JeffWartman]

Because the Republicans failed to deliver when they had the majority. In fact, they expanded government. If they had been true Conservatives they would have cut of Health Care funds and old people all acorss the country would have been deprived care, thrown out of nursing homes and kicked out of hospitals. But a Conservative movement can accomplish those sick goals!

(emphasis added)

More lies. Sighs. Do you guys have anything better?

His first two sentences are essentially correct. Republicans did expand government in the first six years of the Bush Administration, and it's not just defense spending; government spending on discretionary domestic entitlement spending rose under Bush at a higher rate than it did under Clinton.

The rest of his post is pure hogwash. Getting Government out of the healthcare business is the first step towards fixing the system. Of course, liberals are the ones who want your grandmother's healthcare run by the same people who run the post office and department of motor vehicles. Yep, that'll be a good system.

Until you recognize the vast potential of market based solutions to the problems of healthcare, an intelligent discussion can not commence.

 

[JeffWartman]

America has never seen conservatism.

You're right about that. Remember Reagan's words:

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

There are less than ten Republicans elected to any office in the entire country that actually follow through with Reagan's above comment.

 

[garyd]

I'm all for closing social security down just as soon as I get my money back from an investment scheme that makes maddow look honest by comparison...

 

[DiamondDave]

More lies. Sighs. Do you guys have anything better?

People like Orange_Juice post this crap because they WISH it would be like that... it is the only way to validate their stances and the only way to truly vilify conservatives....

It is obvious because they are told and shown, time and time again, what conservative stances and proposals are... yet they keep coming back to these myths and fairy tales

 

[sealybobo]

I just don't understand why the Conservatives haven't got up an anti-government movement. The circus has left town here, but a permanent third party of Conservatives preaching--literally!--that people should not have medicare, Socialist Security, funding for local projects, NASA and all those other government programs would be a hoot. The exception of course would be the increased military spending.

Why can't Conservatives do this? That Palin clown could be the leader of the party, with Rush Limpdick as a sound board for them to abolish all government spending not related to making more wars.

Why not?

Why not? Because they got a good thing going. Or at least they used to.

They don't want to divide their party into two. If not for all the bullshit wedge issues, the GOP would only make up 10% of our government.

But I do like the way you are thinking. They are defending a lot of very unpopular policies like pro war, anti global warming, trickle down economics, doing away with social security and all other social programs that help poor people, leaving healthcare the way it is......

I hope they keep it up too.

 

[editec]

And there were roads before the interstate highway system. The states took care of their own. I dare to say that if that were still the case, the entire country wouldn't be paying for the bid dig debacle in Boston. Only the people who actually use it would be stuck for the cost of the corruption.

Skull,

Ike's military drive across the continent in the summer of 1919 took two months.

He averaged 6 MPH.

FYI the people who use roads, pay for them, via those gasoline taxes.

You didn't know this?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skull,

Ike's military drive across the continent in the summer of 1919 took two months.

He averaged 6 MPH.

FYI the people who use roads, pay for them, via those gasoline taxes.

You didn't know this?

please Ed

you have people here, you included it seems who believe we'd all still be driving on dirt roads if not for the federal government.

And I daresay that no one traveled too fast in 1919. And was that time solely the drive time or does it include stops for speeches and piss breaks?

I'd have no problem if the exorbitant amount of taxes I pay on gasoline in my state stayed in my state to actually fix the roads.

But instead it goes to super corrupt projects like the big dig, or some other graft and nepotism laden federal government project guaranteed to cost twice as much as estimated.

Personally I'd rather pay a quarter every time I hopped on the highway than to pay endless taxes that never seem to go where the government says the money will go.

The problem is that there is absolutely no accounting for where the money goes.

Let's see exactly how much money was collected in gas taxes and let's see where every dime was spent. If these taxes are supposed to be specifically for roads then just "show me the fucking money" and where it goes.