A Conservative Third Party Movement?

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Which is why I'm slightly miffed as to why those who are against most/any/all government expansion support Republicans.

I wouldn't know, being a Libertarian.

Though I did support Ron Paul, so maybe I do know...

 

[pfife]

I wouldn't know, being a Libertarian.

Though I did support Ron Paul, so maybe I do know...

He's really a RhINO though I'd say.

 

[alan1]

America has never embraced Conservatism. Has any politician ever won votes promisisng to eliminate Medicare?

No

America has never embraced liberalism.
Has any politician ever won votes by promising to eliminate the military?

Wow, it's quite simple to make a false point when you boil everything down to a single absolute yes or no issue, isn't it?

 

[pfife]

America has never embraced liberalism.
Has any politician ever won votes by promising to eliminate the military?

Has a politician ever tried to win votes by promising to eliminate the military?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Has a politician ever tried to win votes by promising to eliminate the military?

John Adams got rid of the standing army when peace with France was guaranteed, but he still lost the election to Thomas Jefferson.

 

[alan1]

Has a politician ever tried to win votes by promising to eliminate the military?

Probably the same one that tried to eliminate the medicare mentioned in Orange_Juice's post

 

[Bern80]

America has never embraced Conservatism. Has any politician ever won votes promisisng to eliminate Medicare?

No

Elimintaing medicare is a cornestone of conservatism? Since when? I think I would call Reagan wining 49 states embracing conservatism

 

[Red Dawn]

The same reason the libtards aren't preaching that the government should run every single aspect of our lives........

Oh wait that's what they ARE doing isn't it?

This is a measure of conservative honesty I didn't expect.

I appreciate you freely admitting that conservatives are too embarrassed of their ideology, to publically and freely state that the want SS, medicare, medicaid, and pretty much all social spending eliminated. That wouldn't be an easy sell, and I can understand why you say that conservatives are deceptive and keep it under the radar.

As for your assertion about liberals: can you hook me up with any credible proof that liberals want "to run every single aspect of our lives"? I'm calling bullshit. I don't think liberals have been shy at all about what they want to do, with universal healthcare, spending more on public infrastrucutre, or making the super rich pay more of their fair share in taxes. That seemed to be Obama's publically stated Marxist goals.

 

[Avatar4321]

Exactly! I wish the Republicans would take up this abolitionist crusade against health care. The idea is so stupid and really evil, that it would destroy the Republicans.

I assume Social Security would be abolished too undera true "Conservative" government?

And I am also corrupt that the military would be only major item on the federal budge? Yes?

This is why you Conservatives are considered complete fools, village idiots and ignoranmouses

Yeah cause only idiots want to be free.

 

[Avatar4321]

America has already rejected Conservativism

America has never seen conservatism.

 

[Skull Pilot]

This is a measure of conservative honesty I didn't expect.

I appreciate you freely admitting that conservatives are too embarrassed of their ideology, to publically and freely state that the want SS, medicare, medicaid, and pretty much all social spending eliminated. That wouldn't be an easy sell, and I can understand why you say that conservatives are deceptive and keep it under the radar.

No conservative I know wants to end ALL social programs. People who truly cannot take care of themselves should be looked after. everyone else though should take complete responsibility for themselves.

As for your assertion about liberals: can you hook me up with any credible proof that liberals want "to run every single aspect of our lives"? I'm calling bullshit. I don't think liberals have been shy at all about what they want to do, with universal healthcare, spending more on public infrastrucutre, or making the super rich pay more of their fair share in taxes. That seemed to be Obama's publically stated Marxist goals.

And how can you say that a segment of the earning population that pays virtually all income tax doesn't pay its fair share when 40% of people pay no income tax at all?

Here are a few libtard lifestyle controls in the works.

http:
//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/

Mass. campaign against obesity targets restaurants, schools - The Boston Globe

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11control.html

Newburyport bans junk food in schools - BostonHerald.com

so proposals to control peoples' thermostats, control what parents put in their kids lunch boxes, mandatory weigh ins for kids, bans on trans fats, etc etc etc don't count as libtards wanting to control these aspects of our lives "for our own good"?

that ain't bullshit.

 

[FistyTheBadger]

Elimintaing medicare is a cornestone of conservatism? Since when? I think I would call Reagan wining 49 states embracing conservatism

In the 1980's, 25 years ago.

 

[FistyTheBadger]

America has never seen conservatism.

Sure, there is an amalgam in America, but similar to a food recipe, you can tell which ingredients were added or subtracted.

 

[Avatar4321]

No conservative I know wants to end ALL social programs. People who truly cannot take care of themselves should be looked after. everyone else though should take complete responsibility for themselves.

Actually, Id love to end most if not all social programs. Because I dont believe the nonsense argument that if government didnt take care of these people no one would.

The whole point of a free society is to all men and women to do good on their own with their own resources. When people delgate their responsibility to do good to the government, which uses the money of others, they arent good people. And the needs of the people arent met like the need to be.

 

[Diuretic]

Actually, Id love to end most if not all social programs. Because I dont believe the nonsense argument that if government didnt take care of these people no one would.

The whole point of a free society is to all men and women to do good on their own with their own resources. When people delgate their responsibility to do good to the government, which uses the money of others, they arent good people. And the needs of the people arent met like the need to be.

I'd just like to disagree with that view, but in principle, I'm not referring to the US situation. First point, social programmes run by government are probably more critical when an economy is going badly Private charities tend to struggle when an economic downturn occurs because they tend to receive less money. Government can continue to support social programmes so governments should provide them on a constant basis. I'm not suggesting private charities stop their work, they definitely meet a need.

I'm interesting in your idea of what a free society is. A society is a collective isn't it? Your description makes me think that you see society as a collection of individuals who just happen to be occupying the same landmass. Humans have never lived like that, even early in human history humans banded together for mutual assistance and support and of course protection from other humans and predators. Like it or not humans are social animals who have to rely on mutality for existence.

 

[Orange_Juice]

Elimintaing medicare is a cornestone of conservatism? Since when? I think I would call Reagan wining 49 states embracing conservatism

Isn't it unconstitutional in the Conservative world view? Or is it Constitutional?

 

[Orange_Juice]

Actually, Id love to end most if not all social programs. Because I dont believe the nonsense argument that if government didnt take care of these people no one would.

The whole point of a free society is to all men and women to do good on their own with their own resources. When people delgate their responsibility to do good to the government, which uses the money of others, they arent good people. And the needs of the people arent met like the need to be.

This is what Conservative politicians should be saying! I'd love it if Newt Gingrrich said stuff like this. Instead they say "waste" in government and don't really mean anything.

BTW, who would take the place of medicare? Would martians suddenly come out ofd the woodwork and start caring for the Terri Schivo's of the world?

 

[Gunny]

I just don't understand why the Conservatives haven't got up an anti-government movement. The circus has left town here, but a permanent third party of Conservatives preaching--literally!--that people should not have medicare, Socialist Security, funding for local projects, NASA and all those other government programs would be a hoot. The exception of course would be the increased military spending.

Why can't Conservatives do this? That Palin clown could be the leader of the party, with Rush Limpdick as a sound board for them to abolish all government spending not related to making more wars.

Why not?

I don't know ... why don't actual liberals get up a third party and break away from the Democratic party and the leftwingnuts that wouldn't know liberalism if it was injected into their memories with a microchip?

 

[garyd]

Sorry America hasn't rejected conservatism, it has reject the Rino's currently running the Republican party. In fact the Rino's together with the Alphabet soup Media are in many ways the big losers of this last election.

 

[pfife]

Actually, Id love to end most if not all social programs. Because I dont believe the nonsense argument that if government didnt take care of these people no one would.

So is it your contention that Medicare wasn't needed when it was begun, because other people were taking care of these people before Medicare existed?