A Child's View from Gaza

[The Great Goose]

Jewish source---> Book Review: ‘A Child’s View from Gaza: Palestinian Children’s Art and the Fight Against Censorship’

Uda Walker - Discover the Networks
Barbara Lubin - Discover the Networks
Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) - Discover the Networks

• Pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli organization
• Founder Barbara Lubin is allied with Workers World Party, a Marxist-Leninist sect aligned with Communist North Korea

Founded in 1988 by Barbara Lubin, the Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) describes itself as “a non-profit organization working for justice in the Middle East, focusing on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Israel and Occupied Iraq.” Viewing the Iraqi and Palestinian peoples, respectively, as victims of American and Israeli oppression, MECA claims that since its inception it has “brought over $8 million of much needed relief to besieged communities in Iraq and Palestine through emergency medical aid and direct aid to families and communities.” Among the projects funded by this organization are: children’s clinics and family mental health projects in various refugee camps throughout what MECA calls the “Occupied West Bank and Gaza,” as well as various community projects for children including, playgrounds, libraries, and youth centers.

“Our work in the United States,” says MECA (which calls the U.S. occupation of Iraq “illegal” and accuses the U.S. of "purposefully" targeting civilian areas), “is centered … on educating North Americans about U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, the affect it has on children, families and communities there, and the connection these policies have to our own communities. Through public lectures, audio-visual, presentations, teach-ins, demonstrations, and community work we dispel the myths and raise awareness about the history behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the current situation in the Occupied Palestine and Occupied Iraq and the role of U.S. policy in maintaining and perpetuating instability and conflict in the Middle East. … We stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people as they seek freedom from oppression and we support the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.”

MECA is a member organization of International ANSWER’s steering committee, the Justice in Palestine Coalition, the Middle East Policy Advisory Committee, the Palestine Solidarity Movement's divestiture project, the United For Peace and Justice antiwar coalition, and the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.

MECA is also the fiscal sponsor for the International Solidarity Movement(ISM). According to investigative journalist Lee Kaplan:

"[T]he Berkeley, [California] P.O. Box to which ISM supporters can send their tax-deductible donations matches that of the Middle East Children’s Alliance, one of the organizations that the ISM had previously used to launder money ... The ISM's website tells anyone wishing to donate now to make checks payable to A.J. Muste Foundation in New York and [to] write ISM-USA in the corner, but [the website] directs [that] the checks be sent to the Middle East Children's Alliance for cashing."

MECA’s Board of Directors and Board of Advisors have at one time or another included such individuals as the co-founders of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, James Abourezk and James Zogby; Ibrahim Abu Lughod (currently a member of the Palestine National Council); Fathi Arafat (the brother of Yasser Arafat); Noam Chomsky; Ramsey Clark; Ron Dellums (a socialist who is the current Mayor of Oakland, California, and who served as a U.S. Congressman in that state from 1971 to 1998); Gus Newport (MECA’s current President, the former Mayor of Berkeley, and the onetime General Manager of Pacifica Radio affiliate KFPA); Father William O’Donnell (a liberation theologian who was sentenced to a six-month jail term for protesting the School of the Americas); Edward Said (the late Columbia University professor and a member of the Palestine National Council); Maudelle Shirek (a former Berkeley City Council member suspected of having close ties to the Communist Party); Maxine Waters; and Leonard Weinglass.

MECA supports the Ibaada Center in the West Bank, which the Jerusalem Postdescribes as an indoctrination center that teaches Arab children to reject Israel’s existence and to support Palestinian terrorism aimed ultimately at conquering Israel by violence. The Center’s walls are festooned with scenes of terrorist "resistance."

MECA has also promoted a clinic in Gaza, the Union of Health Work Committees, whose former manager was a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.

MECA spokeswoman Penny Rosenwasser and Executive Director Barbara Lubin are both allied with the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party. MECA’s Political Education Coordinator is Uda Walker, who has visited American high-school campuses with the organization Voices in the Wilderness during school hours, and who has denounced U.S. foreign policy before audiences in the United Kingdom.

The Middle East Children's Alliance's recent activities include the following:

• a 24-hour “Support Cindy Sheehan” vigil in San Francisco in August 2005
  
  
• a September 24, 2005 antiwar march in San Francisco, where every conceivable aspect of American foreign policy came under attack. The rally’s themes included: “End Colonial Occupation: Iraq, Palestine, Haiti...”; “Support the Palestinian People’s Right of Return”; “Military Recruiters Out of Our Schools”; “Stop the Racist, Anti-Immigrant and Anti-Labor Offensive”; “U.S. Out of the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Afghanistan”; and “Stop the Threats Against Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.”
  
  
• a "Wheels of Justice Bus Tour," where MECA members joined their counterparts from Al-Awda, the International Solidarity Movement, and Voices in the Wilderness in a two-year “nonviolent educational tour against war and occupation in Iraq and Palestine and for justice and universal human rights.”

In 2004, MECA was a signatory -- along with more than 200 other leftist organizations -- to a letter exhorting members of the U.S. Senate to oppose Israel’s construction of an anti-terrorist security fence in the West Bank, characterizing the barrier as an illegal "apartheid wall" that violated the civil and human rights of Palestinians.

Total Moron

Hi Steve
They got sold a stolen car. The Ottoman Turks sold European Jews the land in the 19th century. Arabic nomads lived there. It's a bit like what happened to our aboriginals. The Ottomans sold land to some Jews. The Jews built dwellings there over time and eventually the nomadic Arabs realized what was going to happen. It took them a while because they had just kept living same as always under the Ottomans and didn't expect a full scale settlement, as really started to occur in the 20th century.

It's like if you bought a car that had finance owing on it or it was stolen.

 

[montelatici]

Jewish source---> Book Review: ‘A Child’s View from Gaza: Palestinian Children’s Art and the Fight Against Censorship’

Uda Walker - Discover the Networks
Barbara Lubin - Discover the Networks
Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) - Discover the Networks

• Pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli organization
• Founder Barbara Lubin is allied with Workers World Party, a Marxist-Leninist sect aligned with Communist North Korea

Founded in 1988 by Barbara Lubin, the Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) describes itself as “a non-profit organization working for justice in the Middle East, focusing on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Israel and Occupied Iraq.” Viewing the Iraqi and Palestinian peoples, respectively, as victims of American and Israeli oppression, MECA claims that since its inception it has “brought over $8 million of much needed relief to besieged communities in Iraq and Palestine through emergency medical aid and direct aid to families and communities.” Among the projects funded by this organization are: children’s clinics and family mental health projects in various refugee camps throughout what MECA calls the “Occupied West Bank and Gaza,” as well as various community projects for children including, playgrounds, libraries, and youth centers.

“Our work in the United States,” says MECA (which calls the U.S. occupation of Iraq “illegal” and accuses the U.S. of "purposefully" targeting civilian areas), “is centered … on educating North Americans about U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, the affect it has on children, families and communities there, and the connection these policies have to our own communities. Through public lectures, audio-visual, presentations, teach-ins, demonstrations, and community work we dispel the myths and raise awareness about the history behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the current situation in the Occupied Palestine and Occupied Iraq and the role of U.S. policy in maintaining and perpetuating instability and conflict in the Middle East. … We stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people as they seek freedom from oppression and we support the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.”

MECA is a member organization of International ANSWER’s steering committee, the Justice in Palestine Coalition, the Middle East Policy Advisory Committee, the Palestine Solidarity Movement's divestiture project, the United For Peace and Justice antiwar coalition, and the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.

MECA is also the fiscal sponsor for the International Solidarity Movement(ISM). According to investigative journalist Lee Kaplan:

"[T]he Berkeley, [California] P.O. Box to which ISM supporters can send their tax-deductible donations matches that of the Middle East Children’s Alliance, one of the organizations that the ISM had previously used to launder money ... The ISM's website tells anyone wishing to donate now to make checks payable to A.J. Muste Foundation in New York and [to] write ISM-USA in the corner, but [the website] directs [that] the checks be sent to the Middle East Children's Alliance for cashing."

MECA’s Board of Directors and Board of Advisors have at one time or another included such individuals as the co-founders of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, James Abourezk and James Zogby; Ibrahim Abu Lughod (currently a member of the Palestine National Council); Fathi Arafat (the brother of Yasser Arafat); Noam Chomsky; Ramsey Clark; Ron Dellums (a socialist who is the current Mayor of Oakland, California, and who served as a U.S. Congressman in that state from 1971 to 1998); Gus Newport (MECA’s current President, the former Mayor of Berkeley, and the onetime General Manager of Pacifica Radio affiliate KFPA); Father William O’Donnell (a liberation theologian who was sentenced to a six-month jail term for protesting the School of the Americas); Edward Said (the late Columbia University professor and a member of the Palestine National Council); Maudelle Shirek (a former Berkeley City Council member suspected of having close ties to the Communist Party); Maxine Waters; and Leonard Weinglass.

MECA supports the Ibaada Center in the West Bank, which the Jerusalem Postdescribes as an indoctrination center that teaches Arab children to reject Israel’s existence and to support Palestinian terrorism aimed ultimately at conquering Israel by violence. The Center’s walls are festooned with scenes of terrorist "resistance."

MECA has also promoted a clinic in Gaza, the Union of Health Work Committees, whose former manager was a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.

MECA spokeswoman Penny Rosenwasser and Executive Director Barbara Lubin are both allied with the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party. MECA’s Political Education Coordinator is Uda Walker, who has visited American high-school campuses with the organization Voices in the Wilderness during school hours, and who has denounced U.S. foreign policy before audiences in the United Kingdom.

The Middle East Children's Alliance's recent activities include the following:

• a 24-hour “Support Cindy Sheehan” vigil in San Francisco in August 2005
  
  
• a September 24, 2005 antiwar march in San Francisco, where every conceivable aspect of American foreign policy came under attack. The rally’s themes included: “End Colonial Occupation: Iraq, Palestine, Haiti...”; “Support the Palestinian People’s Right of Return”; “Military Recruiters Out of Our Schools”; “Stop the Racist, Anti-Immigrant and Anti-Labor Offensive”; “U.S. Out of the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Afghanistan”; and “Stop the Threats Against Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.”
  
  
• a "Wheels of Justice Bus Tour," where MECA members joined their counterparts from Al-Awda, the International Solidarity Movement, and Voices in the Wilderness in a two-year “nonviolent educational tour against war and occupation in Iraq and Palestine and for justice and universal human rights.”

In 2004, MECA was a signatory -- along with more than 200 other leftist organizations -- to a letter exhorting members of the U.S. Senate to oppose Israel’s construction of an anti-terrorist security fence in the West Bank, characterizing the barrier as an illegal "apartheid wall" that violated the civil and human rights of Palestinians.

Total Moron

Hi Steve
They got sold a stolen car. The Ottoman Turks sold European Jews the land in the 19th century. Arabic nomads lived there. It's a bit like what happened to our aboriginals. The Ottomans sold land to some Jews. The Jews built dwellings there over time and eventually the nomadic Arabs realized what was going to happen. It took them a while because they had just kept living same as always under the Ottomans and didn't expect a full scale settlement, as really started to occur in the 20th century.

It's like if you bought a car that had finance owing on it or it was stolen.

The Bedouins (nomadic Arabs) were a small proportion of the population of Palestine at the time of the Mandate. The vast majority of the population were town/city dwellers descendants of the people that had lived in Palestine since biblical times who had converted to Christianity pursuant to Christ's teachings and by law after 380AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome and it became a requirement to be a Christian to reside in Palestine.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.



"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. "

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

 

[Shusha]

Fake.

Note how the viewer’s eye is drawn to the slightly off-center focal point, the child cowering in the corner, the suggestion of despair evoked by the black shading around him. Look at the effective representation of the soldier’s face with a few strokes. Look at the sureness of the lines, the bold strokes.

Note the Israeli flag on the soldier, as well as the Palestinian flag, the map showing Israel as ‘Palestine’ and what appears to be the Hizballah logo above it in the illustration above.

Whoever drew this was either an adult artist or a remarkable prodigy, sophisticated both artistically and politically.

 

[louie888]

Fake.

Note how the viewer’s eye is drawn to the slightly off-center focal point, the child cowering in the corner, the suggestion of despair evoked by the black shading around him. Look at the effective representation of the soldier’s face with a few strokes. Look at the sureness of the lines, the bold strokes.

Note the Israeli flag on the soldier, as well as the Palestinian flag, the map showing Israel as ‘Palestine’ and what appears to be the Hizballah logo above it in the illustration above.

Whoever drew this was either an adult artist or a remarkable prodigy, sophisticated both artistically and politically.

LOL! You guys are hysterical (by accident).

Are you really gonna sit there and tell us that no Palestinian child has ever cowered in a corner after some pussy IDF agents with assault rifles kicked his door in and charged in screaming shit like "surrender or we we kill you!"?

 

[Hollie]

Jewish source---> Book Review: ‘A Child’s View from Gaza: Palestinian Children’s Art and the Fight Against Censorship’

Uda Walker - Discover the Networks
Barbara Lubin - Discover the Networks
Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) - Discover the Networks

• Pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli organization
• Founder Barbara Lubin is allied with Workers World Party, a Marxist-Leninist sect aligned with Communist North Korea

Founded in 1988 by Barbara Lubin, the Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) describes itself as “a non-profit organization working for justice in the Middle East, focusing on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Israel and Occupied Iraq.” Viewing the Iraqi and Palestinian peoples, respectively, as victims of American and Israeli oppression, MECA claims that since its inception it has “brought over $8 million of much needed relief to besieged communities in Iraq and Palestine through emergency medical aid and direct aid to families and communities.” Among the projects funded by this organization are: children’s clinics and family mental health projects in various refugee camps throughout what MECA calls the “Occupied West Bank and Gaza,” as well as various community projects for children including, playgrounds, libraries, and youth centers.

“Our work in the United States,” says MECA (which calls the U.S. occupation of Iraq “illegal” and accuses the U.S. of "purposefully" targeting civilian areas), “is centered … on educating North Americans about U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, the affect it has on children, families and communities there, and the connection these policies have to our own communities. Through public lectures, audio-visual, presentations, teach-ins, demonstrations, and community work we dispel the myths and raise awareness about the history behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the current situation in the Occupied Palestine and Occupied Iraq and the role of U.S. policy in maintaining and perpetuating instability and conflict in the Middle East. … We stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people as they seek freedom from oppression and we support the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.”

MECA is a member organization of International ANSWER’s steering committee, the Justice in Palestine Coalition, the Middle East Policy Advisory Committee, the Palestine Solidarity Movement's divestiture project, the United For Peace and Justice antiwar coalition, and the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.

MECA is also the fiscal sponsor for the International Solidarity Movement(ISM). According to investigative journalist Lee Kaplan:

"[T]he Berkeley, [California] P.O. Box to which ISM supporters can send their tax-deductible donations matches that of the Middle East Children’s Alliance, one of the organizations that the ISM had previously used to launder money ... The ISM's website tells anyone wishing to donate now to make checks payable to A.J. Muste Foundation in New York and [to] write ISM-USA in the corner, but [the website] directs [that] the checks be sent to the Middle East Children's Alliance for cashing."

MECA’s Board of Directors and Board of Advisors have at one time or another included such individuals as the co-founders of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, James Abourezk and James Zogby; Ibrahim Abu Lughod (currently a member of the Palestine National Council); Fathi Arafat (the brother of Yasser Arafat); Noam Chomsky; Ramsey Clark; Ron Dellums (a socialist who is the current Mayor of Oakland, California, and who served as a U.S. Congressman in that state from 1971 to 1998); Gus Newport (MECA’s current President, the former Mayor of Berkeley, and the onetime General Manager of Pacifica Radio affiliate KFPA); Father William O’Donnell (a liberation theologian who was sentenced to a six-month jail term for protesting the School of the Americas); Edward Said (the late Columbia University professor and a member of the Palestine National Council); Maudelle Shirek (a former Berkeley City Council member suspected of having close ties to the Communist Party); Maxine Waters; and Leonard Weinglass.

MECA supports the Ibaada Center in the West Bank, which the Jerusalem Postdescribes as an indoctrination center that teaches Arab children to reject Israel’s existence and to support Palestinian terrorism aimed ultimately at conquering Israel by violence. The Center’s walls are festooned with scenes of terrorist "resistance."

MECA has also promoted a clinic in Gaza, the Union of Health Work Committees, whose former manager was a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.

MECA spokeswoman Penny Rosenwasser and Executive Director Barbara Lubin are both allied with the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party. MECA’s Political Education Coordinator is Uda Walker, who has visited American high-school campuses with the organization Voices in the Wilderness during school hours, and who has denounced U.S. foreign policy before audiences in the United Kingdom.

The Middle East Children's Alliance's recent activities include the following:

• a 24-hour “Support Cindy Sheehan” vigil in San Francisco in August 2005
  
  
• a September 24, 2005 antiwar march in San Francisco, where every conceivable aspect of American foreign policy came under attack. The rally’s themes included: “End Colonial Occupation: Iraq, Palestine, Haiti...”; “Support the Palestinian People’s Right of Return”; “Military Recruiters Out of Our Schools”; “Stop the Racist, Anti-Immigrant and Anti-Labor Offensive”; “U.S. Out of the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Afghanistan”; and “Stop the Threats Against Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.”
  
  
• a "Wheels of Justice Bus Tour," where MECA members joined their counterparts from Al-Awda, the International Solidarity Movement, and Voices in the Wilderness in a two-year “nonviolent educational tour against war and occupation in Iraq and Palestine and for justice and universal human rights.”

In 2004, MECA was a signatory -- along with more than 200 other leftist organizations -- to a letter exhorting members of the U.S. Senate to oppose Israel’s construction of an anti-terrorist security fence in the West Bank, characterizing the barrier as an illegal "apartheid wall" that violated the civil and human rights of Palestinians.

Total Moron

Hi Steve
They got sold a stolen car. The Ottoman Turks sold European Jews the land in the 19th century. Arabic nomads lived there. It's a bit like what happened to our aboriginals. The Ottomans sold land to some Jews. The Jews built dwellings there over time and eventually the nomadic Arabs realized what was going to happen. It took them a while because they had just kept living same as always under the Ottomans and didn't expect a full scale settlement, as really started to occur in the 20th century.

It's like if you bought a car that had finance owing on it or it was stolen.

The Bedouins (nomadic Arabs) were a small proportion of the population of Palestine at the time of the Mandate. The vast majority of the population were town/city dwellers descendants of the people that had lived in Palestine since biblical times who had converted to Christianity pursuant to Christ's teachings and by law after 380AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome and it became a requirement to be a Christian to reside in Palestine.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.



"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. "

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

On the other hand:

The Arabs in Palestine

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 19221947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

 

[Shusha]

Are you really gonna sit there and tell us that no Palestinian child has ever cowered in a corner after some pussy IDF agents with assault rifles kicked his door in and charged in screaming shit like "surrender or we we kill you!"?

Well, no. I am telling you that the pictures you posted were not drawn by children and that the people who represent them as such are disseminating falsehoods in order to provoke an emotional response which demonizes Israel.

BOTH Palestinian and Israeli children (and adults) suffer horrendously from the conflict. Obviously. Was that your point of this thread? That people suffer? Well, duh. We all know that already.

The question is what can be done about it? The Palestinian mentality seems to be that suffering, including martyrdom, is necessary and required until the State of Israel is destroyed. So if they insist....

 

[louie888]

I (and most of the sane world) think the kids drew them. You don't. I (and most of the sane world) trust the human rights organization that claims these are in fact drawn by the children. You don't. We both agree this what these kids see.

 

[Shusha]

I (and most of the sane world) think the kids drew them. You don't. I (and most of the sane world) trust the human rights organization that claims these are in fact drawn by the children. You don't. We both agree this what these kids see.

Sure. A fundamental aspect of the Palestinian mentality is to ignore what is obviously true and call those who see reality "insane". When you have a sec -- look up "gaslighting".

 

[Shusha]

I (and most of the sane world) think the kids drew them. You don't. I (and most of the sane world) trust the human rights organization that claims these are in fact drawn by the children. You don't. We both agree this what these kids see.

Funny, because the art experts who were consulted not only determined that they could not have been drawn by children, they gave concrete, easily understandable reasons for their determination. For example: the use of perspective, drawing a human figure as an solid line outline instead of as parts, etc.

 

[montelatici]

I (and most of the sane world) think the kids drew them. You don't. I (and most of the sane world) trust the human rights organization that claims these are in fact drawn by the children. You don't. We both agree this what these kids see.

Funny, because the art experts who were consulted not only determined that they could not have been drawn by children, they gave concrete, easily understandable reasons for their determination. For example: the use of perspective, drawing a human figure as an solid line outline instead of as parts, etc.

What "art experts"? My wife teaches art and Spanish at an elementary school, she has just told me you are full of shit. She starts teaching 1-point perspective at the end of second grade and by third grade she is teaching 2-point perspective.

 

[Shusha]

What "art experts"? My wife teaches art and Spanish at an elementary school, she has just told me you are full of shit. She starts teaching 1-point perspective at the end of second grade and by third grade she is teaching 2-point perspective.

Did she look at the actual pictures?

 

[Shusha]

What "art experts"? My wife teaches art and Spanish at an elementary school, she has just told me you are full of shit. She starts teaching 1-point perspective at the end of second grade and by third grade she is teaching 2-point perspective.

Also, ask your wife if kids typically draw in accurate 2 point perspective spontaneously (without instruction) by age 8 or 10.

 

[Hollie]

It really is a shame - the putrid bile that Arabs-Moslems indoctrinate their children with.

Such a Cult is a stain on humanity.

 

[montelatici]

What "art experts"? My wife teaches art and Spanish at an elementary school, she has just told me you are full of shit. She starts teaching 1-point perspective at the end of second grade and by third grade she is teaching 2-point perspective.

Also, ask your wife if kids typically draw in accurate 2 point perspective spontaneously (without instruction) by age 8 or 10.

Why would elementary school children studying art, even in Palestine, not be taught 1 or 2 point perspective. My wife saw the drawings and said they were not particularly advanced for third or fourth grader. Here is a fairly normal third grade drawing.

 

[theliq]

Jewish source---> Book Review: ‘A Child’s View from Gaza: Palestinian Children’s Art and the Fight Against Censorship’

Uda Walker - Discover the Networks
Barbara Lubin - Discover the Networks
Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) - Discover the Networks

• Pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli organization
• Founder Barbara Lubin is allied with Workers World Party, a Marxist-Leninist sect aligned with Communist North Korea

Founded in 1988 by Barbara Lubin, the Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA) describes itself as “a non-profit organization working for justice in the Middle East, focusing on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Israel and Occupied Iraq.” Viewing the Iraqi and Palestinian peoples, respectively, as victims of American and Israeli oppression, MECA claims that since its inception it has “brought over $8 million of much needed relief to besieged communities in Iraq and Palestine through emergency medical aid and direct aid to families and communities.” Among the projects funded by this organization are: children’s clinics and family mental health projects in various refugee camps throughout what MECA calls the “Occupied West Bank and Gaza,” as well as various community projects for children including, playgrounds, libraries, and youth centers.

“Our work in the United States,” says MECA (which calls the U.S. occupation of Iraq “illegal” and accuses the U.S. of "purposefully" targeting civilian areas), “is centered … on educating North Americans about U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, the affect it has on children, families and communities there, and the connection these policies have to our own communities. Through public lectures, audio-visual, presentations, teach-ins, demonstrations, and community work we dispel the myths and raise awareness about the history behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the current situation in the Occupied Palestine and Occupied Iraq and the role of U.S. policy in maintaining and perpetuating instability and conflict in the Middle East. … We stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people as they seek freedom from oppression and we support the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.”

MECA is a member organization of International ANSWER’s steering committee, the Justice in Palestine Coalition, the Middle East Policy Advisory Committee, the Palestine Solidarity Movement's divestiture project, the United For Peace and Justice antiwar coalition, and the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.

MECA is also the fiscal sponsor for the International Solidarity Movement(ISM). According to investigative journalist Lee Kaplan:

"[T]he Berkeley, [California] P.O. Box to which ISM supporters can send their tax-deductible donations matches that of the Middle East Children’s Alliance, one of the organizations that the ISM had previously used to launder money ... The ISM's website tells anyone wishing to donate now to make checks payable to A.J. Muste Foundation in New York and [to] write ISM-USA in the corner, but [the website] directs [that] the checks be sent to the Middle East Children's Alliance for cashing."

MECA’s Board of Directors and Board of Advisors have at one time or another included such individuals as the co-founders of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, James Abourezk and James Zogby; Ibrahim Abu Lughod (currently a member of the Palestine National Council); Fathi Arafat (the brother of Yasser Arafat); Noam Chomsky; Ramsey Clark; Ron Dellums (a socialist who is the current Mayor of Oakland, California, and who served as a U.S. Congressman in that state from 1971 to 1998); Gus Newport (MECA’s current President, the former Mayor of Berkeley, and the onetime General Manager of Pacifica Radio affiliate KFPA); Father William O’Donnell (a liberation theologian who was sentenced to a six-month jail term for protesting the School of the Americas); Edward Said (the late Columbia University professor and a member of the Palestine National Council); Maudelle Shirek (a former Berkeley City Council member suspected of having close ties to the Communist Party); Maxine Waters; and Leonard Weinglass.

MECA supports the Ibaada Center in the West Bank, which the Jerusalem Postdescribes as an indoctrination center that teaches Arab children to reject Israel’s existence and to support Palestinian terrorism aimed ultimately at conquering Israel by violence. The Center’s walls are festooned with scenes of terrorist "resistance."

MECA has also promoted a clinic in Gaza, the Union of Health Work Committees, whose former manager was a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.

MECA spokeswoman Penny Rosenwasser and Executive Director Barbara Lubin are both allied with the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party. MECA’s Political Education Coordinator is Uda Walker, who has visited American high-school campuses with the organization Voices in the Wilderness during school hours, and who has denounced U.S. foreign policy before audiences in the United Kingdom.

The Middle East Children's Alliance's recent activities include the following:

• a 24-hour “Support Cindy Sheehan” vigil in San Francisco in August 2005
  
  
• a September 24, 2005 antiwar march in San Francisco, where every conceivable aspect of American foreign policy came under attack. The rally’s themes included: “End Colonial Occupation: Iraq, Palestine, Haiti...”; “Support the Palestinian People’s Right of Return”; “Military Recruiters Out of Our Schools”; “Stop the Racist, Anti-Immigrant and Anti-Labor Offensive”; “U.S. Out of the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Afghanistan”; and “Stop the Threats Against Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.”
  
  
• a "Wheels of Justice Bus Tour," where MECA members joined their counterparts from Al-Awda, the International Solidarity Movement, and Voices in the Wilderness in a two-year “nonviolent educational tour against war and occupation in Iraq and Palestine and for justice and universal human rights.”

In 2004, MECA was a signatory -- along with more than 200 other leftist organizations -- to a letter exhorting members of the U.S. Senate to oppose Israel’s construction of an anti-terrorist security fence in the West Bank, characterizing the barrier as an illegal "apartheid wall" that violated the civil and human rights of Palestinians.

Total Moron

Hi Steve
They got sold a stolen car. The Ottoman Turks sold European Jews the land in the 19th century. Arabic nomads lived there. It's a bit like what happened to our aboriginals. The Ottomans sold land to some Jews. The Jews built dwellings there over time and eventually the nomadic Arabs realized what was going to happen. It took them a while because they had just kept living same as always under the Ottomans and didn't expect a full scale settlement, as really started to occur in the 20th century.

It's like if you bought a car that had finance owing on it or it was stolen.

I now realize you are as thick as two bricks,your analogy is pathetic and so ridiculous although by accident,you have exposed certain well know charistaristics sic of the ZIONIST

 

[Hollie]

What "art experts"? My wife teaches art and Spanish at an elementary school, she has just told me you are full of shit. She starts teaching 1-point perspective at the end of second grade and by third grade she is teaching 2-point perspective.

Also, ask your wife if kids typically draw in accurate 2 point perspective spontaneously (without instruction) by age 8 or 10.

Why would elementary school children studying art, even in Palestine, not be taught 1 or 2 point perspective. My wife saw the drawings and said they were not particularly advanced for third or fourth grader. Here is a fairly normal third grade drawing.

A quick search of the web identifies the above as "drawings for 5th graders". But yeah, why would anyone expect honesty or integrity from you?

 

[theliq]

Are you really gonna sit there and tell us that no Palestinian child has ever cowered in a corner after some pussy IDF agents with assault rifles kicked his door in and charged in screaming shit like "surrender or we we kill you!"?

Well, no. I am telling you that the pictures you posted were not drawn by children and that the people who represent them as such are disseminating falsehoods in order to provoke an emotional response which demonizes Israel.

BOTH Palestinian and Israeli children (and adults) suffer horrendously from the conflict. Obviously. Was that your point of this thread? That people suffer? Well, duh. We all know that already.

The question is what can be done about it? The Palestinian mentality seems to be that suffering, including martyrdom, is necessary and required until the State of Israel is destroyed. So if they insist....

Why are you so Foul?????

The Palestinian Mentality,,,,,,,,,Considering you no nothing about Palestinians or have ever known any....SITTING ON YOUR FAT ARSE ALL DAY....Spewing this verbal,ignorant uneducated rot all the time,merely shows what a MISERABLE ZIONIST CURR you are,you live with a mind of negativity,nastiness and unfounded and unbridled HATRED.

Your cursory and flippant responce to the Palestinian Dead and Maimed Babies,Children,Women and Men...The Zionists DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO ELIMINATE THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE,Semitic People...........who have been in Palestine for over 5000 years.......only to be Userpt by a Rabble of Synthetic Convert Jews call Zionists.....members of this CULT,CONJURED UP IN THE 1890's by a QUEER ATHIEST JEW....You say that you are not a Zionist Jew.....then you are a Mongrel,and your disgusting prose proves it......IDIOT .................theliquidator

 

[Shusha]

Here is a fairly normal third grade drawing.

Interesting. When I google that image it says it is part of instructional images for a grade 5 project.

And googling "drawings by 8 year olds" yields remarkably different results.

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[Shusha]

You say that you are not a Zionist Jew

When did I say I was not a Zionist Jew?

 

[theliq]

What "art experts"? My wife teaches art and Spanish at an elementary school, she has just told me you are full of shit. She starts teaching 1-point perspective at the end of second grade and by third grade she is teaching 2-point perspective.

Also, ask your wife if kids typically draw in accurate 2 point perspective spontaneously (without instruction) by age 8 or 10.

Why would elementary school children studying art, even in Palestine, not be taught 1 or 2 point perspective. My wife saw the drawings and said they were not particularly advanced for third or fourth grader. Here is a fairly normal third grade drawing.

Hi Monte,What age is grade 2 and 3 in the US,thanks steve