A certified NRA gun instructor took out the Minnesota mall stabber

I suppose it comes down to politics. I doubt most Americans want the federal government funding the NRA.

Though I'd be more than willing to have the government partially fund mandatory gun safety courses run by the NRA. As long as they meet a standard set by the federal government.
Federal government are a bunch of fuck ups, they're so incompetent they can't even wipe their own ass. Career politicians make up and own the federal government, so they have zero credibility on anything. Dip shit

I'm really not interested in your unfocused anti-government diatribe.
The federal government has zero credibility and they live off hypocrisy....


More credibility than you.
Your federal government worship is sad

It's not worship. Government exists for a reason, I prefer it work while you're making idiotic claims that the federal government has zero credibility. What does that even mean? Are you not getting your mail? You want the military to disband? It's so broad of a statement it's just right wing bloviation that doesn't even say anything, just makes you look like an anti-government kook, like the Bundy klan.
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?

Then again without the NRA making sure there are too many guns in society, this probably wouldn't have been a gun attack in the first place for the NRA certified instructor to take him.

Deal with it. The normal murder rate in Western Europe is about 0.8 to 1.1 per 100,000. In the US it's about 4 per 100,000.
 
They guy who shot the perp was an off duty cop, fully trained on how to use his weapon, legal gun and went through a background check. You're not going to find too many liberals who will take issue with that....

Which explains why these details weren't included in the title post.

 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?


if we are going to fund Planned Parenthood then we should also fund the NRA. They both perform functions vital to the well being of American Citizens.
One kills people.....the other one empowers people.....

I fail to see the connection.....
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?


if we are going to fund Planned Parenthood then we should also fund the NRA. They both perform functions vital to the well being of American Citizens.

The NRA is well funded already.

They guy who shot the perp was an off duty cop, fully trained on how to use his weapon, legal gun and went through a background check. You're not going to find too many liberals who will take issue with that.

You will find the NRA takes issue with mandatory training and background checks.
No....the NRA takes issue with you fascists and your leviathan.....
 
Federal government are a bunch of fuck ups, they're so incompetent they can't even wipe their own ass. Career politicians make up and own the federal government, so they have zero credibility on anything. Dip shit

I'm really not interested in your unfocused anti-government diatribe.
The federal government has zero credibility and they live off hypocrisy....


More credibility than you.
Your federal government worship is sad

It's not worship. Government exists for a reason, I prefer it work while you're making idiotic claims that the federal government has zero credibility. What does that even mean? Are you not getting your mail? You want the military to disband? It's so broad of a statement it's just right wing bloviation that doesn't even say anything, just makes you look like an anti-government kook, like the Bundy klan.
As with most things the larger it gets, its owners - career politicians want total control. They should have no control over people's personal lives like personal decisions/financial decisions. The post office should not even exist, it's inefficient unreliable and extremely costly. The military is the only thing good about the federal government but they're starving it...
 
Ok here is the obvious point you aren't getting. No one is saying that gun deaths is the most common form of death. The point is that it the gun death rate is high compared to most countries. Its a problem that can be reduced. That's the focus.
Making everyone take the bus would reduce auto accidents too. If you have a good way to keep guns out of the hands of murderers, let's hear it.
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?

Then again without the NRA making sure there are too many guns in society, this probably wouldn't have been a gun attack in the first place for the NRA certified instructor to take him.

Deal with it. The normal murder rate in Western Europe is about 0.8 to 1.1 per 100,000. In the US it's about 4 per 100,000.

so now you have been reduced to blaming guns for an attack with a knife
 
Good news

I like the idea of a trained and certified gun holder taking him out rather than a mall full of crazed gun nuts randomly shooting
 
Yes, the NRA was once an honorable organization that served worthy purposes such as gun safety training, instruction, promotion of the shooting sports.

Now the NRA is just an opportunistic rightwing hack lobby.
 
Yes, the NRA was once an honorable organization that served worthy purposes such as gun safety training, instruction, promotion of the shooting sports.

Now the NRA is just an opportunistic rightwing hack lobby.

The NRA would support handing out guns as you enter the mall


Just so everyone would be safe
 
Yes, the NRA was once an honorable organization that served worthy purposes such as gun safety training, instruction, promotion of the shooting sports.

Now the NRA is just an opportunistic rightwing hack lobby.

The NRA would support handing out guns as you enter the mall


Just so everyone would be safe

Only if they were allowed to profile against Mexican looking Muslims lol.
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?


if we are going to fund Planned Parenthood then we should also fund the NRA. They both perform functions vital to the well being of American Citizens.

The NRA is well funded already.

They guy who shot the perp was an off duty cop, fully trained on how to use his weapon, legal gun and went through a background check. You're not going to find too many liberals who will take issue with that.

You will find the NRA takes issue with mandatory training and background checks.


He was so off duty he wasn't due to work again for 2 months......he was a part time officer....virtually a reserve officer......
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The NRA takes issue because universal background checks need to have universal gun registration......which is what the Germans, British and Australians used to ban and confiscate guns.....mandatory training is no different than requiring a Literacy Test for the Right to vote.....
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?


if we are going to fund Planned Parenthood then we should also fund the NRA. They both perform functions vital to the well being of American Citizens.

The NRA is well funded already.

They guy who shot the perp was an off duty cop, fully trained on how to use his weapon, legal gun and went through a background check. You're not going to find too many liberals who will take issue with that.

You will find the NRA takes issue with mandatory training and background checks.


He was so off duty he wasn't due to work again for 2 months......he was a part time officer....virtually a reserve officer......
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The NRA takes issue because universal background checks need to have universal gun registration......which is what the Germans, British and Australians used to ban and confiscate guns.....mandatory training is no different than requiring a Literacy Test for the Right to vote.....

Want to confiscate guns?

Use the NRA membership lists as a start
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?
You people can't just cite anecdotal examples and expect us to buy into the narrative. What actually matters is statistics. For example, the gun murders per capita in this country is very high. Overall, 11,000 gun deaths per year. Now is the solution to ban the 2nd amendment? No of course not. However, there are gun control measures that can be taken to reduce those statistics. You people don't have to throw tantrums when you hear people say we have a gun problem. The large majority of those people don't want to abolish the 2nd amendment.

Oh and on a final note, it is statistically rare that a good guy with a gun will stop a mass shooting.


The FBI just released the gun murder rate for 2015.....it was 9,000 something....I have at the other thread........

Which gun control measures....? Please list them and explain how they will lower the gun murder rate considering that the people doing the murder with guns.....90% of them cannot buy, own or carry guns.....they are already convicted criminals....as are 70-80% of their victims.......

I ask you to explain these measures because too often you guys say....gun control measures will reduce gun murder....and leave it at that....
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?
You people can't just cite anecdotal examples and expect us to buy into the narrative. What actually matters is statistics. For example, the gun murders per capita in this country is very high. Overall, 11,000 gun deaths per year. Now is the solution to ban the 2nd amendment? No of course not. However, there are gun control measures that can be taken to reduce those statistics. You people don't have to throw tantrums when you hear people say we have a gun problem. The large majority of those people don't want to abolish the 2nd amendment.

Oh and on a final note, it is statistically rare that a good guy with a gun will stop a mass shooting.
2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America
Ok here is the obvious point you aren't getting. No one is saying that gun deaths is the most common form of death. The point is that it the gun death rate is high compared to most countries. Its a problem that can be reduced. That's the focus.


But guns are not the reason we have so much murder in this country....our non gun murder rate is higher than the entire murder rate of other countries.....guns are not the cause.....our inner city social pathologies are the cause.....
 
Yes, and you're welcome. I send them money, but why can't everyone pitch in like we do for Planned Parenthood.

Why? They already have the gun industry pitching in.

Why do we all have to pitch in for Planned Parenthood? The NRA performs a vital function and shouldn't have to ask its members for money. Planned Parenthood doesn't have to solicit money from members.

I suppose it comes down to politics. I doubt most Americans want the federal government funding the NRA.

Though I'd be more than willing to have the government partially fund mandatory gun safety courses run by the NRA. As long as they meet a standard set by the federal government.
Federal government are a bunch of fuck ups, they're so incompetent they can't even wipe their own ass. Career politicians make up and own the federal government, so they have zero credibility on anything. Dip shit
What do you think of those fat cats on Wall Street getting away with so much crime?


Go after the democrat running for President who has taken millions of dollars from them and laundered it through her foundation....
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?
You people can't just cite anecdotal examples and expect us to buy into the narrative. What actually matters is statistics. For example, the gun murders per capita in this country is very high. Overall, 11,000 gun deaths per year. Now is the solution to ban the 2nd amendment? No of course not. However, there are gun control measures that can be taken to reduce those statistics. You people don't have to throw tantrums when you hear people say we have a gun problem. The large majority of those people don't want to abolish the 2nd amendment.

Oh and on a final note, it is statistically rare that a good guy with a gun will stop a mass shooting.

This hero saved the taxpayers thousands of dollars in legal and prison fees.

It's so fortunate the good guy with a gun was there to ventilate the POS.
 
All over the news, wasn't it?

Of course not, because it goes against the bullshit liberal narrative of the MSM that the NRA is evil.

A good guy with a gun killed a bad guy with a knife.

Deal with it Libs. Who knows how many people the NRA instructor saved from injury or death?

Then again without the NRA making sure there are too many guns in society, this probably wouldn't have been a gun attack in the first place for the NRA certified instructor to take him.

Deal with it. The normal murder rate in Western Europe is about 0.8 to 1.1 per 100,000. In the US it's about 4 per 100,000.


Nope......guns have nothing to do with our murder rate and lack of guns is not the cause of their lower murder rate......Britain banned and confiscated guns.......and their gun crime rate did not go down...in fact, last year their gun crime rate went up 4% and their gun crime rate in London went up 10%.......

Our gun violence problem comes from inner city social pathologies....not gun ownership.....as well as our refusal to actually arrest and jail gun criminals....
 
Good news

I like the idea of a trained and certified gun holder taking him out rather than a mall full of crazed gun nuts randomly shooting


Which does not happen....we have the Dallas shooting, with civilians openly carrying rifles and pistols in the middle of a mass shooting...and they allowed the police to handle it....

We have the Giffords shooting, where 2 concealed carriers were ready to shoot, but didn't because the guy was subdued....

nothing you say about guns in this country is even remotely true.....
 

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