6 dead in shooting in Germany......er....gun control? But...But...gun control?

[Vagabond63]

Wrong, doofus.....they include gang shootings over girlfriends and territory, which is not a mass public shooting. The actual definition of mass public shooting is used for the list from Mother Jones....the anti-gun, left wing news organization....they use the FBI definition...

Do they? The FBI doesn't have a definition of "mass public shooting", I'd have thought you'd know that, given your years of research. The FBI definition is for mass murder, there's a difference.

It doesn't include gang members shooting each other over drug turf, girlfriends or facebook insults...

Here you go.......

US mass shootings, 1982-2019: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.

So if you want to use Mother Jones' "definition", you must use Mother Jones' data too, to be fair and their data cites well over 100 such incidents in America, compared with Germany's 7 since 1964. Gun control works, it seems.

 

[Vagabond63]

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...

So your argument is that 7.2% of your civillian adult population is solely responsible for reducing the gun murder rate, crime rate and general violent crime rates? Yeah, right, keep taking your meds.

Without firearms being registered there is no way of knowing how many Americans own how many guns. Gun owners tend to own more than one gun (I owned 3 when it was legal to do so over here). It's therefore quite conceivable that those 18.6 million Americans own all those 600 million guns, prove otherwise.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong, doofus.....they include gang shootings over girlfriends and territory, which is not a mass public shooting. The actual definition of mass public shooting is used for the list from Mother Jones....the anti-gun, left wing news organization....they use the FBI definition...

Do they? The FBI doesn't have a definition of "mass public shooting", I'd have thought you'd know that, given your years of research. The FBI definition is for mass murder, there's a difference.

It doesn't include gang members shooting each other over drug turf, girlfriends or facebook insults...

Here you go.......

US mass shootings, 1982-2019: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
-------

• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.

So if you want to use Mother Jones' "definition", you must use Mother Jones' data too, to be fair and their data cites well over 100 such incidents in America, compared with Germany's 7 since 1964. Gun control works, it seems.

No, it doesn't....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

 

[2aguy]

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...

So your argument is that 7.2% of your civillian adult population is solely responsible for reducing the gun murder rate, crime rate and general violent crime rates? Yeah, right, keep taking your meds.

Without firearms being registered there is no way of knowing how many Americans own how many guns. Gun owners tend to own more than one gun (I owned 3 when it was legal to do so over here). It's therefore quite conceivable that those 18.6 million Americans own all those 600 million guns, prove otherwise.

No...my argument is that normal people who own and carry guns do not cause gun murder or gun crime, hence.....gun control that focuses on normal people...which is all of it.....will not lower the gun murder or crime rate...

And as the United STates shows....as more people own and carry guns yet the gun murder rate and gun crime rate went down.......normal people do not drive the gun murder rate or the gun crime rate......

 

[2aguy]

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...

So your argument is that 7.2% of your civillian adult population is solely responsible for reducing the gun murder rate, crime rate and general violent crime rates? Yeah, right, keep taking your meds.

Without firearms being registered there is no way of knowing how many Americans own how many guns. Gun owners tend to own more than one gun (I owned 3 when it was legal to do so over here). It's therefore quite conceivable that those 18.6 million Americans own all those 600 million guns, prove otherwise.

Sorry, you don't know what you are talking about....the biggest growth areas for gun ownership in the U.S. are women and minorities...previously groups with low rates of ownership.....

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

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NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

 

[mudwhistle]

This likely won't be considered a mass public shooting since it seems, at first glance, to be a family murder. But........er.......Germany is in Europe....and, um......we are constantly told that shootings like this can't happen in Europe cause....gun control?

Six dead in shooting in German town

Six people have been killed and others wounded in a shooting in the south-west German town of Rot am See, officials say.

A male suspect was arrested after the attack, which happened in a building close to the railway station.

Police in the state of Baden-Württemberg say initial indications suggested the suspect and the victims knew each other.

There is no evidence that anyone else is involved in the shooting, they say.

Somebody needs to pass stronger anti-gun laws.

 

[Vagabond63]

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...

So your argument is that 7.2% of your civillian adult population is solely responsible for reducing the gun murder rate, crime rate and general violent crime rates? Yeah, right, keep taking your meds.

Without firearms being registered there is no way of knowing how many Americans own how many guns. Gun owners tend to own more than one gun (I owned 3 when it was legal to do so over here). It's therefore quite conceivable that those 18.6 million Americans own all those 600 million guns, prove otherwise.

Sorry, you don't know what you are talking about....the biggest growth areas for gun ownership in the U.S. are women and minorities...previously groups with low rates of ownership.....

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

Without formal registration and licencing all the above "polling data" is pure speculation, you have no idea who owns what firearm or how many. Permits issued does not necessarily mean guns bought. How many people have driving licences, but down't own a car? How many people have driving licences and own several cars? That's what gun control is all about, nothing to do with your second ammendment rights, just knowing who has what, is not an infringment of a so called "right" to bear arms. Have your guns, knock yourselves out, keep killing each other if you want to, it's your country, but don't try to export your "values" and "culture" over here, we're happy as we are thanks.

 

[theHawk]

their murder rate is many times LOWER than the US

As is their number of minorities.

Funny how no one wants to talk about the biggest factor in “gun violence” rates.

 

[2aguy]

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...

So your argument is that 7.2% of your civillian adult population is solely responsible for reducing the gun murder rate, crime rate and general violent crime rates? Yeah, right, keep taking your meds.

Without firearms being registered there is no way of knowing how many Americans own how many guns. Gun owners tend to own more than one gun (I owned 3 when it was legal to do so over here). It's therefore quite conceivable that those 18.6 million Americans own all those 600 million guns, prove otherwise.

Sorry, you don't know what you are talking about....the biggest growth areas for gun ownership in the U.S. are women and minorities...previously groups with low rates of ownership.....

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

Without formal registration and licencing all the above "polling data" is pure speculation, you have no idea who owns what firearm or how many. Permits issued does not necessarily mean guns bought. How many people have driving licences, but down't own a car? How many people have driving licences and own several cars? That's what gun control is all about, nothing to do with your second ammendment rights, just knowing who has what, is not an infringment of a so called "right" to bear arms. Have your guns, knock yourselves out, keep killing each other if you want to, it's your country, but don't try to export your "values" and "culture" over here, we're happy as we are thanks.

Every government that committed mass murder against it's people said the exact same thing you just posted. You aren't original, your excuse is old, and it allowed 12 million men, women and children in Europe to be murdered....25 million in Russia, 70 million in China....and the list goes on....
Knowing who has a gun means you know where to go to confiscate the gun.....

And as we keep pointing out....as more Americans own more guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%.....in Britian, the murder rate is going up, not down, and now the country is being flooded with illegal guns......

 

[Vagabond63]

their murder rate is many times LOWER than the US

As is their number of minorities.

Funny how no one wants to talk about the biggest factor in “gun violence” rates.

Wait? what?! But...but...hasn't Europe been "lost" under a deluge of Muslim migrants and refugees?

 

[2aguy]

their murder rate is many times LOWER than the US

As is their number of minorities.

Funny how no one wants to talk about the biggest factor in “gun violence” rates.

Wait? what?! But...but...hasn't Europe been "lost" under a deluge of Muslim migrants and refugees?

The murder rate in Britain is going up.......and the levels of violence in Europe are going up.....just ask the Swedish bikiini team about the violence in Sweden......and France, and all the countries that now have No-Go zones for their police....

 

[Vagabond63]

The murder rate in Britain is going up

Not so much. Homicide level down for first time in five years

 

[2aguy]

The murder rate in Britain is going up

Not so much. Homicide level down for first time in five years

And then this...

Our murder rates are also high in democrat party controlled cities.....if we could get the democrats to stop letting repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison, we would lower our murder rates even more...

Despite the drop, homicides in London rose for a third successive calendar year - to the highest level since 2008.

 

[Vagabond63]

The murder rate in Britain is going up

Not so much. Homicide level down for first time in five years

And then this...

Our murder rates are also high in democrat party controlled cities.....if we could get the democrats to stop letting repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison, we would lower our murder rates even more...

Despite the drop, homicides in London rose for a third successive calendar year - to the highest level since 2008.

The legal system over here is independent of political parties, as are the police; who "controls" a city is irrelevant.

 

[2aguy]

The murder rate in Britain is going up

Not so much. Homicide level down for first time in five years

And then this...

Our murder rates are also high in democrat party controlled cities.....if we could get the democrats to stop letting repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison, we would lower our murder rates even more...

Despite the drop, homicides in London rose for a third successive calendar year - to the highest level since 2008.

The legal system over here is independent of political parties, as are the police; who "controls" a city is irrelevant.

Wrong....the beliefs of the party in power determine how the police are used and how the courts are used.....just look at the British papers about "Tory" cuts to the police...you doofus.

 

[Vagabond63]

 

[ph3iron]

This likely won't be considered a mass public shooting since it seems, at first glance, to be a family murder. But........er.......Germany is in Europe....and, um......we are constantly told that shootings like this can't happen in Europe cause....gun control?

Six dead in shooting in German town

Six people have been killed and others wounded in a shooting in the south-west German town of Rot am See, officials say.

A male suspect was arrested after the attack, which happened in a building close to the railway station.

Police in the state of Baden-Württemberg say initial indications suggested the suspect and the victims knew each other.

There is no evidence that anyone else is involved in the shooting, they say.

s
Just an average weekend in philly

 

[ph3iron]

I don't feel sorry for Globalist Germany.....I don't feel sorry for Globalist Sweden.....in fact I don't feel sorry for any Western European country who has decided to embrace Globlalism.

Their globalists politicians know exactly what they are doing.

Hope European Patriots and all citizens wake up before is too late.

Whatever that it is.
Equal rights/pay for women is disgusting.
I'm still looking for swedes battering our borders down

 

[ph3iron]

Only six, and it is a really big thing. We have more than that many every day. We should do what they are doing.

And if their people wanted to do it more, they would do it more....culture, not guns, is the issue.....

And please explain the following...and answer the questions...

n the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns, but now carry them for self defense, our gun murder rate went down 49%...

With what you believe....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own but now carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%....

With what you believe,.....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns but carry them for self defense, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

With what you believe, how do you explain that?

Nothing you believe about guns is supported by actual facts, the truth, or reality on the ground......how do you justify your believes beyond simply not liking guns?

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Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

Please provide quote(s) where I have ever said I oppose guns, or the right of Americans to own guns. I often advocate reasonable regulation of who can purchase them, and types of guns available, but regulation is not infringement.

I often advocate reasonable regulation of who can purchase them, and types of guns available, but regulation is not infringement.

When your regulations, bans and taxe, fees keep normal people from being able to afford guns and limit their access based on your feelings about guns, that is an infringement.....

When democrats kept Blacks from sitting at lunch counters or using the same bathrooms as white democrats, that was an infringement......they didn't get to say who could use the bathrooms, what kind of seating was available for blacks......those regulations were an infringement...

Went down from what to what.?
Still way higher than really civilized countries
And ps who do you think the current KKK is?
Dems?
Your def of normal is pathetic.
Super scared pantywaists you mean?

 

[2aguy]

Only six, and it is a really big thing. We have more than that many every day. We should do what they are doing.

And if their people wanted to do it more, they would do it more....culture, not guns, is the issue.....

And please explain the following...and answer the questions...

n the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns, but now carry them for self defense, our gun murder rate went down 49%...

With what you believe....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own but now carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%....

With what you believe,.....how do you explain that?

In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns but carry them for self defense, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

With what you believe, how do you explain that?

Nothing you believe about guns is supported by actual facts, the truth, or reality on the ground......how do you justify your believes beyond simply not liking guns?

------
Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

Please provide quote(s) where I have ever said I oppose guns, or the right of Americans to own guns. I often advocate reasonable regulation of who can purchase them, and types of guns available, but regulation is not infringement.

I often advocate reasonable regulation of who can purchase them, and types of guns available, but regulation is not infringement.

When your regulations, bans and taxe, fees keep normal people from being able to afford guns and limit their access based on your feelings about guns, that is an infringement.....

When democrats kept Blacks from sitting at lunch counters or using the same bathrooms as white democrats, that was an infringement......they didn't get to say who could use the bathrooms, what kind of seating was available for blacks......those regulations were an infringement...

Went down from what to what.?
Still way higher than really civilized countries
And ps who do you think the current KKK is?
Dems?
Your def of normal is pathetic.
Super scared pantywaists you mean?

All 6 of the kkk members? They don't support conservative republicans......and have more in common with the racists in the democrat party.