PLYMCO_PILGRIM
Gold Member
Thank you for admitting profiling is used by law enforcement. Here's your problem; there are no 'suspects' when profiling is used to pull people over for bogus traffic violations. It is no longer a 'tool' to solve a crime. It becomes a hammer and an abuse of power. It is profiling seeded in bigotry and prejudice. The sole cause of the detainment is the age and skin color of the occupants. The searches that you say are supposed to be based on reasonable suspicion are predetermined. They will conduct a search and they use intimidation and threats to force that search. There is no justification other than intimidation and abuse of power that explains their show of force, 4-5 squad cars converging on a car pulled over for the making an illegal lane change or having a burned out turn signal.
Try to relax and breath into a paper bag pea brain...you're hyperventilating.
Also, you might want to stop ('cease and desist' for you law enforcement thugs) questioning my intelligence, because your inability to grasp this topic alone makes you look like a pea brain. But your 'intelligence' diatribes only creates more people rolling on the floor laughing at you buc-o... SMILE...
HAHA! Oh boy, this is gonna be a fun one. Ok, here goes.....
1- Yes. Profiling has been used by law enforcement for centuries. "Racial" profiling should never be used, and rarely is. But criminal profiling, using intell to outline possible suspects? Of course. You'd be dumb not to.
2- Traffic stops. Traffic stops are a major tool in solving other crimes. You are simply to ignorant of law enforcement to know that. And thats not an insult. Most people would assume the same, but any cop will tell you how many non-traffic crimes end up being solved through traffic stops. Finding stolen property during a stop, finding drugs which leads to a deal where the driver snitches on other crimes, finding a wanted person driving, etc, etc. You are simply not informed enough about cop work to know that.
NOW for the main event:
Point 1- When you are behind a car, you can't see the driver. Thus, his age and race are unknown. Unless you have Superman X-ray vision, which no cops do as far as I know. So that point is a dead issue.
Point 2- Again, you aren't informed enough about this so I will have to explain, but let me lay out a scenario for you: A bank on the East side gets robbed. Suspect flees in a silver Geo Metro and gets away. He had on a mask. Meanwhile, a poor, innocent liberal descendent of Gfgrn is driving around the South end in a silver Geo Metro, which a cop sees and stops because it MIGHT be the same car. Considering it may be, and it may be the armed robbery suspect, several backup officers arrive just in case the driver has a gun. They may search the car to be sure it's not him, and let him go. Meanwhile, Gfgrn is looking out the window whining about the abuse of power the cops are displaying.
Point 3- Lets say your quiet, liberal suburb has been victim to a rash of car break-ins, which by the way, is the current trend in crime: Dirtbags are going to quiet suburbs where people feel safe, and therefore don't lock their car doors, and they break in to 20-30 cars a night. Right now Ipods and GPS systems are the hottest items. Thats a nationwide trend. But, back to the point, the victims are pissed, and the cops need to solve it. The suspects have to do what to get to and from their crime? Drive. So, start pulling cars over and seeing whats going on. Document who you pulled, then a detective crosses those names with Pawn Shop lists, and sees if any of the drivers have pawned say 20 Ipods and 40 GPS systems in the past month. Inconvenience a few drivers? Yeah. Solve the crimes? Yes.
And finally, the minor tag light stuff you are whining about. As I said, traffic stops are the #1 most productive law enforcement tool when it comes to finding fugitives, stolen property, drugs, illegal weapons, etc, etc. Argue that if you wish, but you'll lose badly in my refute of it. So, lets say we have a drug dealer carrying 20 pounds of dope in a car. Or we have a guy who is wanted for murder driving cross-country to flee. Or a guy who just burglarized a home and stole 4 guns. Or a guy who kidnapped a child and is on the run...............
Those guys listed above, ARE NOT going to drive 35 mph over the speed limit. They aren't going to blow through red lights. They aren't going to pass people in medians. They aren't going to commit ANY major traffic offenses. They won't drive around with an tag expired 5 years. So, to catch them, what does a police dept need? Petty offenses. Pull 100 cars over for something petty, you'll issue 90 warnings, and find about 10 people related to or committing other more serious crimes.
I won't charge you tuition for this lesson, because like I said, most citizens who aren't cops or former-cops just don't know what the job entails. If cops policed how most citizens WISH they would, NO crimes would ever get solved, and the crime rate would skyrocket because it would be so damn easy to get away.
So next time you see cops "terrorizing and intimidating" a poor, defensless liberal teen, think to yourself:
- Did the teen drive recklessly or have dope on him when he shouldn't have?
- Is he driving a vehicle similar to one used to flee another crime?
- Is there a spree of crimes in the area and the cops are just trying to get lucky and find the suspect/property on a stop?
Because all 3 are far more likely a reason than what you think they are doing. And if you truly believe it's just the cops being assholes, then I have one final word for you:
YOU LIBERALS NEED TO STOP BEING SUCH F**KING IGNORANT DUMBASSES.
YOU can refuse a search under the 4th Amendment. If a cop asks for consent, then he likely has no probable cause to search, and you CAN say no. In fact, you can say YES, and halfway through the search, REMOVE consent and tell his ass "Stop, I want you to stop your consenstual search". And if you try the above and it doesn't work, SUE their asses and get rich.
I swear, to take the intellectual high ground all the time, you lefties sure are fu**ing stupid.
Hey, thanks for proving you are a fucking fascist. You can put a dress on it, high heels, lipstick and pearls...you just described a POLICE state.
The stops I see don't go by the book, when a person evokes his or her right, it is viewed as a direct confrontation...GUESS who wins asshole???
Grow up and use the little pea between your shoulders. You are as naive as they come...