P F Tinmore
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If you think my statement proves your point, then you obviously, didn't understand mine. When we are discussing the suffering of Gazan children as a result of the occupation, blockade and Israeli war crimes, I don't want to hear your stories about the suffering of Israeli children. Because the two are not equal in their dynamic. And it's not because I don't care about the children of Israel, I'm just sick of you bringing up irrelevant information in order to derail the conversation and prevent any meaningful discussion of what the Israeli's have done.THANK YOU.
Your saying, that "If you showed any concern for Gazan children, I might have shown some empathy for that mother but since you have, on a number of occasions, shown complete condemnation and disdain for the suffering of Palestinian children, I could care less about that mothers story", has completely nailed my point.
In which I will adress to the point again, of which I really hate hypocrisy.
As an American, the Palestinian conflict with the Israelis doesn't affect youu. Of course, you like all Americans, worry for where your taxes go, but you don't feel the danger and difficulty of this conflict on your flesh.
Guess what, sugar? I do.
So this statement of yours, besided proving my point, is also misplaced.
There is nothing you can say, to justify a war crime. Just because one side commit's them, does not give the green light for the other side to commit them as well. War crimes are stand alones. That's why we have "universal jurisdiction". Any nation, any where, can prosecute any one, that has committed a war crime. You cannot justify them. So stop coming up with these stories that try to make Israeli actions seem okay or a proper response to a rocket attack. The rocket attacks are wrong; the occupation is wrong; the blockade is wrong; Israel denying the Pals inalienable rights to self-determinatin is wrong; and ALL OF THEM, are crimes against humanity.
The best thing you can do for Israeli children, is to stop making excuses for Israeli war crimes. You're going around trying to tell people the emporer has new clothes. That's how bad your position is.
I say the very same things in my country about these two BS wars we've been fighting for the last decade. I've expressed my outrage over these asshole neocons, whom I put in the same boat as Likud. They're both war-mongering narcissists who don't give a shit about anyone, except the corporate pimps that pay their salary. I walk my talk. I'm no hypocrite. The door swings both ways in my world. I'm not saying I've never been hypocritical, it's just not my nature.
That's just normal. Anyone would think that, if it happened to their home. I'd feel the same way, if it happened to mine.
Now knowing how angry you get when your home (and the lives of your family and friends) is affected by the illegal violent actions of others, can you understand why that community, to the left of you, is hostile? Because what has happened to you, happens to them, at 10 times the rate. So take your anger over your demolished house and multiply it by 10, then you'll be around the level of outrage, the Pals are at, over the inhumane actions of the Israeli's.
I didn't say that. I said, you don't care at all about what happens in Gaza. If you did, you wouldn't be making excuses for continuing their suffering.
I'm lecturing you, because your side has committed so many more war crimes than anyone else in that area, it's ridiculous to constantly put all the problems on the Pals as theirs to fix.So you lecture me about not feeling empathy for a mother in Gaza? for mocking those human rights activists?
That is where you're wrong.
I don't think I am in a wrong position. I don't think I am on the wrong side of the map, either.
Because it's not about the occupation, or Gaza, or the west bank. never was.
two weeks after the disangagement a terror attack took place. WHY? can you answer that question? TWO WEEKS!
while sharon sold us the story that after the disangagement things will get better, if we only expel thousands of Jews out of tgheir home, they will not have any reason to hate, they will understand that we do something to help the situation.
I'm talking about before the blockade.
You know what they showed on their television? That's the "coward zionists" were defeated and one day the Palestinian Muslim will wake up to see us all gone.
Are those the people we're supposed to make peace with? Yuck!
2. Each time you talk about the suffering in Gaza, I will stpeak about the suffering in Israel. Contrary of what you might think, those two cannot be separated. The targeted killing, the blockade, the terror, if not for the war crimes being made by Hamas, Jihad, and all others of their likings, there would have been no problem in peace making, niether there will be the occupation problem, if the Palestinian organizations were not so obssessed in killing Jews.
Not only in Israel, but worldwide.
No matter how angry I'll be in war, no matter how much I will wish for them to die, i will not cross the border of killing an innocent person.
Palestinians crossed that border, many times. The sniper who shot Shalhevet Pass, 10 months old, in her crib, didn't do it because of the occupation. Because that baby did not occupy anything. The people who stabbed El'ad Fogel, 4 years old, to death, while sleeping in his bed, cannot make any excuse that it's the occupation either.
Ilan Halimi was murdered by the same "oppressed people". He was otrtured to death, simply for being a Jew.
It's not me who's making excuses to ignore the occupation "war crime". It's people tagging any crime against jews as "crimes of occupation".
I will never be able to go stab or shoot a Palestinian mother or child. Never. Because I believe that I will have to give the answer to a higher being when the time comes.
On that, my conscience is clean.
3. I have never put all wrongs on the Palestinians. I know that they are nothing but captives in their own way of living and believing. I know that not every single one of them wants to kill Jews for Allah. I know that Israel is far from having a clean record. I have never denied that either.
I simply have a different point of view, of what is concidered a war crime and what isn't. Some people see the blockade as war crime. some see the killing of Jewish people as something natural not wirth thinking about.
we all have different defenisions of the situation.
Because it's not about the occupation, or Gaza, or the west bank. never was.
two weeks after the disangagement a terror attack took place. WHY? can you answer that question? TWO WEEKS!
It is about the occupation. It has been since 1948.
The disengagement did not end the occupation of Gaza nor did it end the occupation of the rest of Palestine. The disengagement merely restructured the occupation. In some cases the new occupation was worse than the old occupation. It virtually destroyed Gaza's economy.