40 shot so far IN Chicago this Memorial Day weekend

[JimBowie1958]

While true, there are more effective and less expensive ways to curb illegal immigration and drug running. We should implement those first before building a monument to the stupidity of man.

And what can reduce entry by 95% at the cost of putting up seven strands of concertina wire? I.e. at dirt cheap costs?

Arresting, charging and, if convicted, imprisoning anyone who supports illegal immigration by employing, renting to or otherwise enticing foreigners to break our laws.

Isn't it cheaper to round up a few dozen employers than 11 million illegals, most of whom will try to come back? If we imprison millions of illegals, then that costs a bunch of tax payer money too. Better to imprison a few employers/renters and let the illegals self-deport.

Why cant we do all of these things? Physically shut down 95% of it, reduce the draw by targeting employers of black market labor and also enforcing the laws already on the books?

 

[Divine Wind]

Why cant we do all of these things? Physically shut down 95% of it, reduce the draw by targeting employers of black market labor and also enforcing the laws already on the books?

We can, but our government has a responsibility to American tax payers to get the best bang for their buck. A 1900+ mile wall would not only be costly to build (up to $25B in materials), but cost 10-15 BILLION dollar per year to maintain and staff. Better to try the cheaper and, IMO, more effective methods first then, if those don't get the job done, consider adding tens of billions of tax payer dollars to the national debt.

 

[dannyboys]

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

That was the Israeli answer to Palestinian groups. Guess what happened? The strongest terrorist group won and became larger and more powerful to fight against Israel. Not the optimal solution.

Let 'em kill each other, the more killed, the fewer we'll need to worry about later.

Seriously folks, no one in their right mind would drive into one of these neighborhoods, so if we do turn our backs and let 'em go at it, it's not as if we're giving something up anyway.

That was the Israeli answer to Palestinian groups. Guess what happened? The strongest terrorist group won and became larger and more powerful to fight against Israel. Not the optimal solution.

So in your opinion would the "optimal solution" for Israel would have been not to build a wall?
The only reason there are any terrorist groups, dedicated to wiping Israel off the map, is because Iran continues to supply all the terrorist groups.
Without Iran the Palestinians would be throwing rocks over the wall.

Did the wall stop Palestinian terror attacks? No, it just slowed them down. Building a 1900+ mile wall, much of it through mountainous terrain, is a much more expensive and difficult to guard effort than a 430 mile wall around a city.

Your Mexican cartel guns and drugs theory won't be stopped by a wall. They'll just continue bringing them in by submarine, boat or Canada.

"Submarine"? "Boat" "Canada"? What are you? Twelve?
That's right. The US CG and Navy will just watch the fucking submarines and boats enter US waters.
The hilarious irony is if the fucking cartels wanted to guarantee their drug shipments would be caught the first thing they would do is put them on a fucking submarine or a boat.
The US Navy knows when a fucking gray whale farts you fucking idiot!

 

[Fair&Balanced]

It's only 7:40AM there on Sunday now and 40 shot so far.

40 people shot so far this Memorial Day weekend in Chicago

Did you read this link? It's a war zone in Chicago. They need to bring in the National Guard. or something.

If Black LIves Mattered, those people would be out protesting in South Chicago... But alas, only Black lives lost when idiots fight the police and lose matters.

And yes, the National Guard needs to be out if force in that city. Start hauling criminals out by the barrel load and giving them LONG prison sentences.

 

[dannyboys]

Did the wall stop Palestinian terror attacks? No, it just slowed them down. Building a 1900+ mile wall, much of it through mountainous terrain, is a much more expensive and difficult to guard effort than a 430 mile wall around a city.

Your Mexican cartel guns and drugs theory won't be stopped by a wall. They'll just continue bringing them in by submarine, boat or Canada.

Though what you say is true, that is the nature of static obstacles. They dont absolutely prevent encroachment, but they do cause the criminals to spend more time and effort to get through and this give law enforcement more time to catch and neutralize them.

The quick and easy wall the Hungarians put up cut down their border crossing rate by more than 95%. That is a damned good reason to put one up over here just like it and it didnt cost them much time or money to build it.

While true, there are more effective and less expensive ways to curb illegal immigration and drug running. We should implement those first before building a monument to the stupidity of man.

"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man"
-- General George S. Patton

So finally for fuck sake! Describe in DETAIL what the "more effective and less expensive ways" are!
You can't asshole!

 

[dannyboys]

Why cant we do all of these things? Physically shut down 95% of it, reduce the draw by targeting employers of black market labor and also enforcing the laws already on the books?

We can, but our government has a responsibility to American tax payers to get the best bang for their buck. A 1900+ mile wall would not only be costly to build (up to $25B in materials), but cost 10-15 BILLION dollar per year to maintain and staff. Better to try the cheaper and, IMO, more effective methods first then, if those don't get the job done, consider adding tens of billions of tax payer dollars to the national debt.

SO WHAT ARE YOUR 'MORE EFFECTIVE' Methods?????
You will NEVER answer because you have the thought processes of a fucking twelve year old!

 

[dannyboys]

It's only 7:40AM there on Sunday now and 40 shot so far.

40 people shot so far this Memorial Day weekend in Chicago

Did you read this link? It's a war zone in Chicago. They need to bring in the National Guard. or something.

If Black LIves Mattered, those people would be out protesting in South Chicago... But alas, only Black lives lost when idiots fight the police and lose matters.

And yes, the National Guard needs to be out if force in that city. Start hauling criminals out by the barrel load and giving them LONG prison sentences.

Ya. Let's have the fucking tax payer pay 30K + a year to keep a BONOBO selling heroin to twelve year old negro girls off the street.
This LIB wet dream is almost over.
First felony indictment using a firearm= a one way trip to a Darfur prison for life.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Did the wall stop Palestinian terror attacks? No, it just slowed them down. Building a 1900+ mile wall, much of it through mountainous terrain, is a much more expensive and difficult to guard effort than a 430 mile wall around a city.

Your Mexican cartel guns and drugs theory won't be stopped by a wall. They'll just continue bringing them in by submarine, boat or Canada.

Though what you say is true, that is the nature of static obstacles. They dont absolutely prevent encroachment, but they do cause the criminals to spend more time and effort to get through and this give law enforcement more time to catch and neutralize them.

The quick and easy wall the Hungarians put up cut down their border crossing rate by more than 95%. That is a damned good reason to put one up over here just like it and it didnt cost them much time or money to build it.

While true, there are more effective and less expensive ways to curb illegal immigration and drug running. We should implement those first before building a monument to the stupidity of man.

"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man"
-- General George S. Patton

So finally for fuck sake! Describe in DETAIL what the "more effective and less expensive ways" are!
You can't asshole!

LOL This entire thread has turned into a giant ball of laughter proving how stupid partisans on both sides are .


Look at the two topics of gun control and illegal immigration.

The left says " we need more gun laws but we don't need more immigration laws"

while the right says

"we need more immigration laws but we don't need more gun laws"


Yall are morons.


Immigration is easily fixed.

First, the border has to be closed, but that is easily done by putting the MILITARY in charge of border security. No need for a wall.

Fine businesses and individuals who hire illegals $100K per illegal employee (that's already illegal, all we're doing is upping the fine)

Deny welfare benefits to illegal immigrates and to US citizens under the age of 18 who don't have at least one parent who is a US citizen.

Arrest city and state officials who defy federal law

Then you give those who are here illegally (whether by sneaking across the border or from expired visas or what have you) 60 days to report the local DMV where they will be finger printed and issued an ID card. Then run back ground checks and forcibly remove those who don't pass background checks whilst issuing some sort of work permit that allows those who are being good neighbors to stay (still no welfare for them, but after this point make it legal to hire them)

After the 60 days , anyone who is arrested for any other offense and can't show that they are here legally get an automatic 10 year prison sentence regardless of whether they are found guilty of whatever crime they were arrested for or not.

Illegal immigration solved. No wall, no mass deportations.

What's next?

 

[Divine Wind]

SO WHAT ARE YOUR 'MORE EFFECTIVE' Methods?????
You will NEVER answer because you have the thought processes of a fucking twelve year old!

Hi, Danny boy! You ran off after the last spanking I gave you, but am not surprised you're back for more. I think you really like it!

Have someone teach you how to scroll up and read the fucking thread for your answer.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

This shining example of a Liberal utopia has been under Democratic Party control for over 80 years.