31 M1 Abrams tanks arrive in Germany, training begins in a few weeks.

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Time to get these bad boys on the battlefield. Slava Ukraine!

RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, Germany — Ukrainian troops will begin training on American M1 Abrams tanks in Germany in the next few weeks, U.S. defense officials say, in what would be a major step in arming Kyiv.

Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III made the announcement on Friday morning during a meeting with allies at Ramstein Air Base. U.S. defense officials said that about 31 tanks were expected to arrive in Germany to kick off a training program for Ukrainian troops that is expected to take 10 weeks. The tanks could reach the battlefields in Ukraine by the fall, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss security matters.

“I am confident that this equipment, and the training that accompanies it, will put Ukraine’s forces in position to succeed on the battlefield,” Mr. Austin told a news conference after the meeting, standing alongside Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

General Milley said the M1 tanks coming are “training tanks,” so they are not combat ready. But, he added, “I do think the M1 tank when its delivered, will make a difference.”

That is a vastly accelerated timetable from what the Pentagon had initially projected, and officials said it means that Abrams tanks could get to Ukraine in time to play a part in the counteroffensive that Ukraine is expected to launch soon. The counteroffensive is expected to begin in weeks, and the Abrams tanks could arrive in time to help Ukrainian troops hold onto recaptured territory, one of the officials said.

Defense officials had initially said that the M1 Abrams tanks would not arrive in Ukraine until next year. But since January, when the Biden administration announced that it would send the tanks, senior defense officials have said that they wanted to speed up the timeline.

Mr. Austin, during remarks on Friday at U.S.-led talks with top defense officials from more than 40 nations, a collective known as the Ukraine Contact Group, said that the continued deliveries of weapons systems and ammunition and tanks to Kyiv “underscore just how badly the Kremlin miscalculated.”

Mr. Austin’s trip to Europe — he arrived in Germany on Thursday after meetings with top officials in Sweden — has been overshadowed by the investigation of the leak of hundreds of top-secret national security documents, said to have been carried out by a 21-year old National Guard airman in Massachusetts. Many of the documents relate to the war in Ukraine.

“I know many of you have been following the reports of unauthorized disclosure of sensitive and classified U.S. material,” Mr. Austin said. “I take this issue very seriously.”

He praised the Ukraine Contact Group for its “commitment to reject efforts to divide us.”

Many of the countries in the group are NATO members. The group has met regularly at the base for the past year to discuss and coordinate military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

The Ukrainian troops training on the Abrams tanks will have to go through qualification testing, maintenance training and drills on how to operate the advanced American battle tank. They also will have to learn how to coordinate tank maneuvers with other military units, in what the American military calls “combined arms” maneuvers.



 
Russians must be rubbing their hands gleefully as these easy to detect Abraham's appear -- clear heat signal emitters .

BUT IN LAST 4 DAYS RUSSIA HAS TAKEN OUT 74 TANKS . So these 31 pieces of rubbish might last a couple of days !!!!!!!!!!

ROFL
 
Without air cover, Ritter makes the point that the tanks won't even make it to the battle lines.
He also questions the value of 30 tanks against 3 or 4 thousand of the enemies?

And other questions by Ritter that would be of interest to those who are trying to fight an armchair war.

In other news: Last night Macgregor suggested that America has started WW3.
 
Time to get these bad boys on the battlefield. Slava Ukraine!

RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, Germany — Ukrainian troops will begin training on American M1 Abrams tanks in Germany in the next few weeks, U.S. defense officials say, in what would be a major step in arming Kyiv.

Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III made the announcement on Friday morning during a meeting with allies at Ramstein Air Base. U.S. defense officials said that about 31 tanks were expected to arrive in Germany to kick off a training program for Ukrainian troops that is expected to take 10 weeks. The tanks could reach the battlefields in Ukraine by the fall, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss security matters.

“I am confident that this equipment, and the training that accompanies it, will put Ukraine’s forces in position to succeed on the battlefield,” Mr. Austin told a news conference after the meeting, standing alongside Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

General Milley said the M1 tanks coming are “training tanks,” so they are not combat ready. But, he added, “I do think the M1 tank when its delivered, will make a difference.”

That is a vastly accelerated timetable from what the Pentagon had initially projected, and officials said it means that Abrams tanks could get to Ukraine in time to play a part in the counteroffensive that Ukraine is expected to launch soon. The counteroffensive is expected to begin in weeks, and the Abrams tanks could arrive in time to help Ukrainian troops hold onto recaptured territory, one of the officials said.

Defense officials had initially said that the M1 Abrams tanks would not arrive in Ukraine until next year. But since January, when the Biden administration announced that it would send the tanks, senior defense officials have said that they wanted to speed up the timeline.

Mr. Austin, during remarks on Friday at U.S.-led talks with top defense officials from more than 40 nations, a collective known as the Ukraine Contact Group, said that the continued deliveries of weapons systems and ammunition and tanks to Kyiv “underscore just how badly the Kremlin miscalculated.”

Mr. Austin’s trip to Europe — he arrived in Germany on Thursday after meetings with top officials in Sweden — has been overshadowed by the investigation of the leak of hundreds of top-secret national security documents, said to have been carried out by a 21-year old National Guard airman in Massachusetts. Many of the documents relate to the war in Ukraine.

“I know many of you have been following the reports of unauthorized disclosure of sensitive and classified U.S. material,” Mr. Austin said. “I take this issue very seriously.”

He praised the Ukraine Contact Group for its “commitment to reject efforts to divide us.”

Many of the countries in the group are NATO members. The group has met regularly at the base for the past year to discuss and coordinate military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

The Ukrainian troops training on the Abrams tanks will have to go through qualification testing, maintenance training and drills on how to operate the advanced American battle tank. They also will have to learn how to coordinate tank maneuvers with other military units, in what the American military calls “combined arms” maneuvers.



Excellent. I hope MCOFT AND UCOFT is included.
MCOFT (Mobile Conduct of Fire) training simulators are an invaluable tool giving crews realistic experience and practice on Tank Crew Operations, crew syncronisity, fire commands target acquisition as seen from inside the tank, familiarization with all the tank controls, sights, sight pictures, actions on contact, and all at huge training costs savings and time saving from going to the field initially to learn and practice same skills. From a unit Commander and trainers perspective, I can tell you the crew readiness when going to the real thing in the field or on the range is close to daylight and dark.
 
You are welcome Ukraine. Anything else I can do for you?
Pay your pensions, you say? I already do that.
Send you more weapons? I already do that. Why else would I be working? For me or my family? LOL
 
Time to get these bad boys on the battlefield. Slava Ukraine!

RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, Germany — Ukrainian troops will begin training on American M1 Abrams tanks in Germany in the next few weeks, U.S. defense officials say, in what would be a major step in arming Kyiv.

Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III made the announcement on Friday morning during a meeting with allies at Ramstein Air Base. U.S. defense officials said that about 31 tanks were expected to arrive in Germany to kick off a training program for Ukrainian troops that is expected to take 10 weeks. The tanks could reach the battlefields in Ukraine by the fall, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss security matters.

“I am confident that this equipment, and the training that accompanies it, will put Ukraine’s forces in position to succeed on the battlefield,” Mr. Austin told a news conference after the meeting, standing alongside Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

General Milley said the M1 tanks coming are “training tanks,” so they are not combat ready. But, he added, “I do think the M1 tank when its delivered, will make a difference.”

That is a vastly accelerated timetable from what the Pentagon had initially projected, and officials said it means that Abrams tanks could get to Ukraine in time to play a part in the counteroffensive that Ukraine is expected to launch soon. The counteroffensive is expected to begin in weeks, and the Abrams tanks could arrive in time to help Ukrainian troops hold onto recaptured territory, one of the officials said.

Defense officials had initially said that the M1 Abrams tanks would not arrive in Ukraine until next year. But since January, when the Biden administration announced that it would send the tanks, senior defense officials have said that they wanted to speed up the timeline.

Mr. Austin, during remarks on Friday at U.S.-led talks with top defense officials from more than 40 nations, a collective known as the Ukraine Contact Group, said that the continued deliveries of weapons systems and ammunition and tanks to Kyiv “underscore just how badly the Kremlin miscalculated.”

Mr. Austin’s trip to Europe — he arrived in Germany on Thursday after meetings with top officials in Sweden — has been overshadowed by the investigation of the leak of hundreds of top-secret national security documents, said to have been carried out by a 21-year old National Guard airman in Massachusetts. Many of the documents relate to the war in Ukraine.

“I know many of you have been following the reports of unauthorized disclosure of sensitive and classified U.S. material,” Mr. Austin said. “I take this issue very seriously.”

He praised the Ukraine Contact Group for its “commitment to reject efforts to divide us.”

Many of the countries in the group are NATO members. The group has met regularly at the base for the past year to discuss and coordinate military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

The Ukrainian troops training on the Abrams tanks will have to go through qualification testing, maintenance training and drills on how to operate the advanced American battle tank. They also will have to learn how to coordinate tank maneuvers with other military units, in what the American military calls “combined arms” maneuvers.




“The idea that we’re going to send tanks to Ukraine, that’s called World War III.” -Joe Biden, March 2022
 
Russians must be rubbing their hands gleefully as these easy to detect Abraham's appear -- clear heat signal emitters .

BUT IN LAST 4 DAYS RUSSIA HAS TAKEN OUT 74 TANKS . So these 31 pieces of rubbish might last a couple of days !!!!!!!!!!

ROFL
Derogatory replies are not necessary when the fact alone will do. Armchair warriors are exhibiting childish behaviour. Note how Litwin's attempts go largely ignored.
 
Russians must be rubbing their hands gleefully as these easy to detect Abraham's appear -- clear heat signal emitters .

BUT IN LAST 4 DAYS RUSSIA HAS TAKEN OUT 74 TANKS . So these 31 pieces of rubbish might last a couple of days !!!!!!!!!!

ROFL
In a tank on tank confrontation, your country has nothing that can defeat the M1 Abrams on the ground, excluding air power. Hopefully they can be skillfully deployed so that they lure in Russian jets, that can then be blasted out of the sky.
 
In a tank on tank confrontation, your country has nothing that can defeat the M1 Abrams on the ground, excluding air power. Hopefully they can be skillfully deployed so that they lure in Russian jets, that can then be blasted out of the sky.

“The idea that we’re going to send tanks to Ukraine, that’s called World War III.” -Joe Biden, March 2022
 
Russians must be rubbing their hands gleefully as these easy to detect Abraham's appear -- clear heat signal emitters .

BUT IN LAST 4 DAYS RUSSIA HAS TAKEN OUT 74 TANKS . So these 31 pieces of rubbish might last a couple of days !!!!!!!!!!

ROFL
Bullsh#t. You are having a sh#tty day at the troll farm. Go bum a cheap Прима cigarette and swill down some of that cheap Руся Vodka before you get sent to Ukraine to die for the motherland.
 
Derogatory replies are not necessary when the fact alone will do. Armchair warriors are exhibiting childish behaviour. Note how Litwin's attempts go largely ignored.
Your problem if you cannot handle simple facts.
The Abrahams have significant weaknesses and the number being sent represents a couple of days kills for Russia.
All hard info . Stop being a baby .
 
Bullsh#t. You are having a sh#tty day at the troll farm. Go bum a cheap Прима cigarette and swill down some of that cheap Руся Vodka before you get sent to Ukraine to die for the motherland.
Sorry that facts make you look rather silly.
As a Mod you should rightly feel double stupid for your ad hominem garbage .
Hardly a good example to set .
So stop it .
 
Sorry that facts make you look rather silly.
As a Mod you should rightly feel double stupid for your ad hominem garbage .
Hardly a good example to set .
So stop it .
Well, I notice you didn't give us and link supporting 74 Ukrainian tanks shot it 4 days. Sounds like Bullsh#t to me, comrad.
 
Your problem if you cannot handle simple facts.
The Abrahams have significant weaknesses and the number being sent represents a couple of days kills for Russia.
All hard info . Stop being a baby .
Or maybe one day's kill, according to the circumstances. There's little chance of the Ukraine being able to keep aircraft in the sky as cover for them.
Stop being a confused wanker.
 
Bullsh#t. You are having a sh#tty day at the troll farm. Go bum a cheap Прима cigarette and swill down some of that cheap Руся Vodka before you get sent to Ukraine to die for the motherland.

“The idea that we’re going to send tanks to Ukraine, that’s called World War III.” -Joe Biden, March 2022
 
“The idea that we’re going to send tanks to Ukraine, that’s called World War III.” -Joe Biden, March 2022
We're just supplying the Ukrainians in their fight to remain free and keep their own territory. Russia and anybody that doesn't like it can get Fkd. World War III, my ass!:th_believecrap:
 
We're just supplying the Ukrainians in their fight to remain free and keep their own territory. Russia and anybody that doesn't like it can get Fkd. World War III, my ass!:th_believecrap:
I don't agree to get fkd but I will say that it's just not true that America is helping the Ukrainians to keep their country.

It's America's war against Russia for the purpose of breaking up Russia into manageable pieces that can be conquered.

That's my opinion and even on an American forum I have considerable support.

Fk with Russia and break the rules that are mutually agreed upon by both sides and then we can start talking about who gets fkd!

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I am totally convinced that America can't afford to lose this war. There will never be another opportunity for America to defeat the world's greatest alliance that is now taking shape. That makes for a very dangerous situation for all concerned.

All of us!
 
I don't agree to get fkd but I will say that it's just not true that America is helping the Ukrainians to keep their country.

It's America's war against Russia for the purpose of breaking up Russia into manageable pieces that can be conquered.

That's my opinion and even on an American forum I have considerable support.

Fk with Russia and break the rules that are mutually agreed upon by both sides and then we can start talking about who gets fkd!

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I am totally convinced that America can't afford to lose this war. There will never be another opportunity for America to defeat the world's greatest alliance that is now taking shape. That makes for a very dangerous situation for all concerned.

All of us!
Don't be dull. Russia is already manageable, not needing breaking up just managed by her neighbors to keep Russia in her place, within her own borders, instead of subjugating nearby countries.
 
“The idea that we’re going to send tanks to Ukraine, that’s called World War III.” -Joe Biden, March 2022
That's par for the course for Biden. It was just as dumb then as it is now.

Biden wouldn't be doing any of this on his own accord- he's had to be dragged along the entire way.
 
We're just supplying the Ukrainians in their fight to remain free and keep their own territory. Russia and anybody that doesn't like it can get Fkd. World War III, my ass!:th_believecrap:

Looks like your beef is with the guy you voted for, not me.

“The idea that we’re going to send tanks to Ukraine, that’s called World War III.” -Joe Biden, March 2022
 

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