28th Amendment to the Constitution

[Davey T]

28. No governmental entity or regulatory authority may impose any costs, directly or indirectly, on any citizen or private entity without explicit legislative approval from Congress and signed by the President.
Conservospeak.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yeah, not gonna happen...

 

[jwoodie]

Nice sentiment, but what does it actually mean? Would it include mandatory auto insurance for individuals or SEC filings by publicly traded companies?

 

[Davey T]

Nice sentiment, but what does it actually mean? Would it include mandatory auto insurance for individuals or SEC filings by publicly traded companies?

Insurance is a state mandate, not federal. SEC filings have a legislative history.

 

[Skylar]

28. No governmental entity or regulatory authority may impose any costs, directly or indirectly, on any citizen or private entity without explicit legislative approval from Congress and signed by the President.
Conservospeak.

That's going to dramatically increase Congressional workload. As they created these agencies so they wouldn't have to run their day to day business.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So the OP favors more federal czars.

 

[Davey T]

Nice sentiment, but what does it actually mean? Would it include mandatory auto insurance for individuals or SEC filings by publicly traded companies?

Insurance is a state mandate, not federal. SEC filings have a legislative history.

This works. And I do not feel sorry for the "Oh so over worked" Congress that would have to back up all this rogue activity with legislation that would have to pass both houses and signed by the president. That is the way this is supposed to work.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

That's going to dramatically increase Congressional workload. As they created these agencies so they wouldn't have to run their day to day business.

And exactly what part of the Constitution gave them that right to delegate their responsibilities to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats given carte blanche to impose regulations and laws resulting in a personal burden to 300 million people?

 

[rightwinger]

All legislation has cost impacts at all level of society.

That amendment would effectively change the powers of Congress and the President. It also would swamp a part time Congress with minor expenditures

 

[WorldWatcher]

28. No governmental entity...

Would it include mandatory auto insurance for individuals...

Insurance is a state mandate, not federal.

States are government entities. Therefore it would take an act of Congress for a State to mandate auto insurance.

It would take an act of Congress to authorize a state to impose a fine for a speeding ticket.

Hell, it would take an act of Congress for my county (also a government entity) to be able to charge for water/sewers.


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[SuperDemocrat]

28. No governmental entity or regulatory authority may impose any costs, directly or indirectly, on any citizen or private entity without explicit legislative approval from Congress and signed by the President.
Conservospeak.

There is actually the fifth amendment which already covers that. It says no one shall lose property without the due process of law.

 

[Skylar]

That's going to dramatically increase Congressional workload. As they created these agencies so they wouldn't have to run their day to day business.

And exactly what part of the Constitution gave them that right to delegate their responsibilities to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats given carte blanche to impose regulations and laws resulting in a personal burden to 300 million people?

So per you since the Congress has authority over minting money, members of the House and Senate have to run the coin presses personally? Since they can levy taxes, they have to tax collect *personally*? They have to man the windows at the Patent office *personally*?

And following your logic, since the president is delegated the power of enforcement, he is the nation's one and only federal law man?

There's zero indication in the constitution, the history of our nation before the constitution, or the constitutional congress that congress was intended to perform its duties personally. But instead, found mints, set up patent offices, hire tax collectors.

Which they've done from the very first session of congress. What did they know that you don't about the constitution?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

That's going to dramatically increase Congressional workload. As they created these agencies so they wouldn't have to run their day to day business.

And exactly what part of the Constitution gave them that right to delegate their responsibilities to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats given carte blanche to impose regulations and laws resulting in a personal burden to 300 million people?

So per you since the Congress has authority over minting money, members of the House and Senate have to run the coin presses personally? Since they can levy taxes, they have to tax collect *personally*? They have to man the windows at the Patent office *personally*?

No, not sure how you got that out of what I said.

 

[Skylar]

That's going to dramatically increase Congressional workload. As they created these agencies so they wouldn't have to run their day to day business.

And exactly what part of the Constitution gave them that right to delegate their responsibilities to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats given carte blanche to impose regulations and laws resulting in a personal burden to 300 million people?

So per you since the Congress has authority over minting money, members of the House and Senate have to run the coin presses personally? Since they can levy taxes, they have to tax collect *personally*? They have to man the windows at the Patent office *personally*?

No, not sure how you got that out of what I said.

Then they can delegate their authority? Its one or the other.

Either Congress can delegate authority to agencies they create....and these agencies operate using congressional authority. Or Congress can't delegate their authority. With Congressmen and Senators expected to run the coin presses and wander the land collecting taxes personally.

Pick one.

 

[kaz]

All legislation has cost impacts at all level of society.

That amendment would effectively change the powers of Congress and the President. It also would swamp a part time Congress with minor expenditures

Now that's a great argument for it. Congress swamped with minor expenditures? Wow, that would be awesome

 

[Skylar]

All legislation has cost impacts at all level of society.

That amendment would effectively change the powers of Congress and the President. It also would swamp a part time Congress with minor expenditures

Now that's a great argument for it. Congress swamped with minor expenditures? Wow, that would be awesome

And there it is: the actual purpose in this. To overwhelm congress so it can't operate effectively.

 

[Davey T]

28. No governmental entity...

Would it include mandatory auto insurance for individuals...

Insurance is a state mandate, not federal.

States are government entities. Therefore it would take an act of Congress for a State to mandate auto insurance.

It would take an act of Congress to authorize a state to impose a fine for a speeding ticket.

Hell, it would take an act of Congress for my county (also a government entity) to be able to charge for water/sewers.


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The Constitution is explicitly an abridgment of the Federal Government's power. State and local jurisdictions have their own laws and regulations. However, for the picky at heart, replace government with Federal Government.

 

[Davey T]

That's going to dramatically increase Congressional workload. As they created these agencies so they wouldn't have to run their day to day business.

And exactly what part of the Constitution gave them that right to delegate their responsibilities to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats given carte blanche to impose regulations and laws resulting in a personal burden to 300 million people?

So per you since the Congress has authority over minting money, members of the House and Senate have to run the coin presses personally? Since they can levy taxes, they have to tax collect *personally*? They have to man the windows at the Patent office *personally*?

No, not sure how you got that out of what I said.

Then they can delegate their authority? Its one or the other.

Either Congress can delegate authority to agencies they create....and these agencies operate using congressional authority. Or Congress can't delegate their authority. With Congressmen and Senators expected to run the coin presses and wander the land collecting taxes personally.

Pick one.

They can delegate their authority to collect taxes but not to decide when to tax, what to tax and how much. Why is this difficult? This is intended to stop federal departments that are requested to flesh out regulatory mandates to going rogue and instituting new taxes, new fees and destroying people's businesses without having the explicit color of legislated law to back it up. Think the EPA shutting down coal plants. Try to get THAT passed through Congress.

 

[Davey T]

28. No governmental entity or regulatory authority may impose any costs, directly or indirectly, on any citizen or private entity without explicit legislative approval from Congress and signed by the President.
Conservospeak.

There is actually the fifth amendment which already covers that. It says no one shall lose property without the due process of law.

Tell that to the EPA.

 

[rightwinger]

All legislation has cost impacts at all level of society.

That amendment would effectively change the powers of Congress and the President. It also would swamp a part time Congress with minor expenditures

Now that's a great argument for it. Congress swamped with minor expenditures? Wow, that would be awesome

Actually, no it wouldn't

Every action, by every agency of government would have to go through Congress