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Geological cycles operate on geological time scales.
Give us some bona fides concerning your Phd in climatology, physics, or something to indicate your level of expertise in this field. Otherwise, expect to see your flap-yap labeled as such without links to papers by real scientists. Flat out bald unsupported statements without any support are simply an indication of your level of intellectual laziness.
Bona fides = Colder and colder as fuck outside during "Global Warming".
Doesn't take a degree.
Where you are at. Talk to a bunch of people in Siberia right now.
If you wish to be purposely blind to what is happening on a global basis, that is your perogative. Don't expect those of us that are concerned with science to share your alternative reality.
If you wish to be purposely blind to what is happening on a global basis, that is your perogative. Don't expect those of us that are concerned with science to share your alternative reality.
So basically you have no datasets with source code to prove that CO2 drives climate.
Thought so, but you can carry on with your AGW religion, but just know that it is a religion not based on science.
How do we know more CO2 is causing warming?
.Must Go Up
How long has CO2 been contributing to increased warming? According to NASA, Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975. Is there a reliable way to identify CO2s influence on temperatures over that period?
There is: we can measure the wavelengths of long-wave radiation leaving the Earth (upward radiation). Satellites have recorded the Earth's outbound radiation. We can examine the spectrum of upward long-wave radiation in 1970 and 1997 to see if there are changes.
http://jvarekamp.web.wesleyan.edu/CO2/FP-1.pdf
Abstract
This experiment explored the absorptivity of four peaks, 1437, 1955, 2013, and
2060 nanometers, in the near-IR (NIR) absorption spectrum of CO2. The NIR absorption
bands in CO2 can contribute up to 30% of the total solar heating in the mesosphere.
Between the heights of 60-85 km the heating can exceed 1 K/day. (Fomichev & Shved,
1988; Ogibalov & Fomichev, 2003; Fomichev et al., 2004) With CO2 concentrations
increasing (West, 2005) it is ever more important to understand the absorbance properties
of this molecule in all of its absorbance bands. Modeling of the Beer Lambert law found
the absorption coefficient at 1955 nanometers to be 0.25 m2 mol-1 and the absorption
coefficient for the peaks at 2013 and 2060 nanometers to be 0.43 m2 mol-1. The
absorption peak at 1437 nanometers had an absorption coefficient >>10.
And still no datasets with source code to prove that CO2 drives climate other than AGW church propaganda.
And as already pointed out that CO2 does NOT drive climate is a reality despite the effort of the scribes of the AGW church to say otherwise.
<...snip...>
The main point is that every time you hear or read that CO2 heats the atmosphere , that energy is trapped by CO2 , that energy is stored by green house gases and similar statements , you may be sure that this source is not to be trusted for information about radiation questions .
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The translation-translation process (sphere collision) has been well understood since more than 100 years . It can be studied by semi-classical statistical mechanics and the result is that the velocities of molecules (translational kinetic energy) within a volume of gas in equilibrium are distributed according to the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution . As this distribution is invariant for a constant temperature , there are no net energy transfers and we do not need to further analyze this process .
The 2 processes of interest are the following :
CO2 + γ → CO2* (1)
This reads a CO2 molecule absorbs an infrared photon γ and goes to a vibrationally excited state CO2*
CO2* + N2 → CO2 + N2⁺ (2)
This reads a vibrationally excited CO2 molecule CO2* collides with an N2 molecule and relaxes to a lower vibrational energy state CO2 while the N2 molecule increases its velocity to N2⁺ . We use a different symbol * and ⁺ for the excited states to differentiate the energy modes vibrational (*) for CO2 and translational (⁺for N2 . In other words , there is transfer between vibrational and translational degrees of freedom in the process (2) . This process in non equilibrium conditions is sometimes called thermalization .
The microscopical process (2) is described by time symmetrical equations . All mechanical and electromagnetical interactions are governed by equations invariant under time reversal . This is not true for electroweak interactions but they play no role in the process (2) .
Again in simple words , it means that if the process (2) happens then the time symmetrical process , namely CO2 + N2⁺ → CO2* + N2 , happens too . Indeed this time reversed process where fast (e.g hot) N2 molecules slow down and excite vibrationally CO2 molecules is what makes an N2/CO2 laser work. Therefore the right way to write the process (2) is the following .
CO2* + N2 ↔ CO2 + N2⁺ (3)
Where the use of the double arrow ↔ instad of the simple arrow → is telling us that this process goes in both directions . Now the most important question is What are the rates of the → and the ← processes ?
The LTE conditions with the energy equipartition law give immediately the answer : These rates are exactly equal . This means that for every collision where a vibrationally excited CO2* transfers energy to N2 , there is a collision where N2⁺ transfers the same energy to CO2 and excites it vibrationally . There is no net energy transfer from CO2 to N2 through the vibration-translation interaction .
As we have seen that CO2 cannot transfer energy to N2 through the translation-translation process either , there is no net energy transfer (e.g heating) from CO2 to N2 what proves our statement .
This has an interesting corollary for the process (1) , IR absorption by CO2 molecules . We know that in equilibrium the distribution of the vibrational quantum states (e.g how many molecules are in a state with energy Ei) is invariant and depends only on temperature . For example only about 5 % of CO2 molecules are in a vibrationally excited state at room temperatures , 95 % are in the ground state .
Therefore in order to maintain the number of vibrationally excited molecules constant , every time a CO2 molecule absorbs an infrared photon and excites vibrationally , it is necessary that another CO2 molecule relaxes by going to a lower energy state . As we have seen above that this relaxation cannot happen through collisions with N2 because no net energy transfer is permitted , only the process (1) is available . Indeed the right way to write the process (1) is also :
CO2 + γ ↔ CO2* (1)
Where the use of the double arrow shows that the absorption process (→
For those who prefer experimental proofs to theoretical arguments , here is a simple experiment demonstrating the above statements . Let us consider a hollow sphere at 15°C filled with air . You install an IR detector on the surface of the cavity . This is equivalent to the atmosphere during the night . The cavity will emit IR according to a black body law . Some frequencies of this BB radiation will be absorbed by the vibration modes of the CO2 molecules present in the air . What you will observe is :
◾The detector shows that the cavity absorbs the same power on 15µ as it emits
◾The temperature of the air stays at 15°C and more specifically the N2 and O2 do not heat
These observations demonstrate as expected that CO2 emits the same power as it absorbs and that there is no net energy transfer between the vibrational modes of CO2 and the translational modes of N2 and O2 . If you double the CO2 concentration or make the temperature vary , the observations stay identical showing that the conclusions we made are independent of temperatures and CO2 concentrations .
CO2 heats the atmosphere?a counter view | Watts Up With That?
If you wish to be purposely blind to what is happening on a global basis, that is your perogative. Don't expect those of us that are concerned with science to share your alternative reality.
First there was science, charts and movies about the earth warming uncontrollably.
Then a couple years later in became = COLD, COLD and COLDER.
Now cold in some places and warm in others is the talking point.
You have no way to prove it isn't just natural weather.
How do we know more CO2 is causing warming?
.Must Go Up
How long has CO2 been contributing to increased warming? According to NASA, Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975. Is there a reliable way to identify CO2s influence on temperatures over that period?
There is: we can measure the wavelengths of long-wave radiation leaving the Earth (upward radiation). Satellites have recorded the Earth's outbound radiation. We can examine the spectrum of upward long-wave radiation in 1970 and 1997 to see if there are changes.
http://jvarekamp.web.wesleyan.edu/CO2/FP-1.pdf
Abstract
This experiment explored the absorptivity of four peaks, 1437, 1955, 2013, and
2060 nanometers, in the near-IR (NIR) absorption spectrum of CO2. The NIR absorption
bands in CO2 can contribute up to 30% of the total solar heating in the mesosphere.
Between the heights of 60-85 km the heating can exceed 1 K/day. (Fomichev & Shved,
1988; Ogibalov & Fomichev, 2003; Fomichev et al., 2004) With CO2 concentrations
increasing (West, 2005) it is ever more important to understand the absorbance properties
of this molecule in all of its absorbance bands. Modeling of the Beer Lambert law found
the absorption coefficient at 1955 nanometers to be 0.25 m2 mol-1 and the absorption
coefficient for the peaks at 2013 and 2060 nanometers to be 0.43 m2 mol-1. The
absorption peak at 1437 nanometers had an absorption coefficient >>10.
And still no datasets with source code to prove that CO2 drives climate other than AGW church propaganda.
And as already pointed out that CO2 does NOT drive climate is a reality despite the effort of the scribes of the AGW church to say otherwise.
<...snip...>
The main point is that every time you hear or read that CO2 heats the atmosphere , that energy is trapped by CO2 , that energy is stored by green house gases and similar statements , you may be sure that this source is not to be trusted for information about radiation questions .
------
The translation-translation process (sphere collision) has been well understood since more than 100 years . It can be studied by semi-classical statistical mechanics and the result is that the velocities of molecules (translational kinetic energy) within a volume of gas in equilibrium are distributed according to the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution . As this distribution is invariant for a constant temperature , there are no net energy transfers and we do not need to further analyze this process .
The 2 processes of interest are the following :
CO2 + γ → CO2* (1)
This reads a CO2 molecule absorbs an infrared photon γ and goes to a vibrationally excited state CO2*
CO2* + N2 → CO2 + N2⁺ (2)
This reads a vibrationally excited CO2 molecule CO2* collides with an N2 molecule and relaxes to a lower vibrational energy state CO2 while the N2 molecule increases its velocity to N2⁺ . We use a different symbol * and ⁺ for the excited states to differentiate the energy modes vibrational (*) for CO2 and translational (⁺
The microscopical process (2) is described by time symmetrical equations . All mechanical and electromagnetical interactions are governed by equations invariant under time reversal . This is not true for electroweak interactions but they play no role in the process (2) .
Again in simple words , it means that if the process (2) happens then the time symmetrical process , namely CO2 + N2⁺ → CO2* + N2 , happens too . Indeed this time reversed process where fast (e.g hot) N2 molecules slow down and excite vibrationally CO2 molecules is what makes an N2/CO2 laser work. Therefore the right way to write the process (2) is the following .
CO2* + N2 ↔ CO2 + N2⁺ (3)
Where the use of the double arrow ↔ instad of the simple arrow → is telling us that this process goes in both directions . Now the most important question is What are the rates of the → and the ← processes ?
The LTE conditions with the energy equipartition law give immediately the answer : These rates are exactly equal . This means that for every collision where a vibrationally excited CO2* transfers energy to N2 , there is a collision where N2⁺ transfers the same energy to CO2 and excites it vibrationally . There is no net energy transfer from CO2 to N2 through the vibration-translation interaction .
As we have seen that CO2 cannot transfer energy to N2 through the translation-translation process either , there is no net energy transfer (e.g heating) from CO2 to N2 what proves our statement .
This has an interesting corollary for the process (1) , IR absorption by CO2 molecules . We know that in equilibrium the distribution of the vibrational quantum states (e.g how many molecules are in a state with energy Ei) is invariant and depends only on temperature . For example only about 5 % of CO2 molecules are in a vibrationally excited state at room temperatures , 95 % are in the ground state .
Therefore in order to maintain the number of vibrationally excited molecules constant , every time a CO2 molecule absorbs an infrared photon and excites vibrationally , it is necessary that another CO2 molecule relaxes by going to a lower energy state . As we have seen above that this relaxation cannot happen through collisions with N2 because no net energy transfer is permitted , only the process (1) is available . Indeed the right way to write the process (1) is also :
CO2 + γ ↔ CO2* (1)
Where the use of the double arrow shows that the absorption process (→
For those who prefer experimental proofs to theoretical arguments , here is a simple experiment demonstrating the above statements . Let us consider a hollow sphere at 15°C filled with air . You install an IR detector on the surface of the cavity . This is equivalent to the atmosphere during the night . The cavity will emit IR according to a black body law . Some frequencies of this BB radiation will be absorbed by the vibration modes of the CO2 molecules present in the air . What you will observe is :
◾The detector shows that the cavity absorbs the same power on 15µ as it emits
◾The temperature of the air stays at 15°C and more specifically the N2 and O2 do not heat
These observations demonstrate as expected that CO2 emits the same power as it absorbs and that there is no net energy transfer between the vibrational modes of CO2 and the translational modes of N2 and O2 . If you double the CO2 concentration or make the temperature vary , the observations stay identical showing that the conclusions we made are independent of temperatures and CO2 concentrations .
CO2 heats the atmosphere?a counter view | Watts Up With That?
If the article had any scientific value, it would published in the appropriate peer reviewed scientific journal, not a blog of an undegreed ex-TV weatherman that has been repeatedly caught lying. For the person that proves unequivocally that CO2 does not cause global warming, there is a Nobel waiting. Vonk may be a physicist, but every Scientific Society of Physicists in the world state that AGW is real, and that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that increases the energy retained by the atmosphere if you increase the amount of that gas in the atmsphere.
If you wish to be purposely blind to what is happening on a global basis, that is your perogative. Don't expect those of us that are concerned with science to share your alternative reality.
First there was science, charts and movies about the earth warming uncontrollably.
Then a couple years later in became = COLD, COLD and COLDER.
Now cold in some places and warm in others is the talking point.
You have no way to prove it isn't just natural weather.
OK, another dumb ass flap-yapper. Don't you guys ever get tired of repeating the same ignorant lines?
If you wish to be purposely blind to what is happening on a global basis, that is your perogative. Don't expect those of us that are concerned with science to share your alternative reality.
First there was science, charts and movies about the earth warming uncontrollably.
Then a couple years later in became = COLD, COLD and COLDER.
Now cold in some places and warm in others is the talking point.
You have no way to prove it isn't just natural weather.
OK, another dumb ass flap-yapper. Don't you guys ever get tired of repeating the same ignorant lines?
Geological cycles operate on geological time scales.
And what kind of time scale is that? When was the last time that we observed it? There are two fundamental failings with the global warming argument. And #2 is the fact that we do not have any reference by which to interpret current observations as anything other than typical.
Unlike in the Arctic, a strong decline in sea ice extent has not been observed in the Antarctic during the period of satellite observations (Section 4.4.2.2). Fichefet et al. (2003) conducted a simulation of Antarctic ice thickness using observationally based atmospheric forcing covering the period 1958 to 1999. They note pronounced decadal variability, with area average ice thickness varying by ±0.1 m (compared to a mean thickness of roughly 0.9 m), but no long-term trend. However, Gregory et al. (2002b) find a decline in antarctic sea ice extent in their model, contrary to observations. They suggest that the lack of consistency between the observed and modelled changes in sea ice extent might reflect an unrealistic simulation of regional warming around Antarctica, rather than a deficiency in the ice model. Holland and Raphael (2006) examine sea ice variability in six MMD 20C3M simulations that include stratospheric ozone depletion. They conclude that the observed weak increase in antarctic sea ice extent is not inconsistent with simulated internal variability, with some simulations reproducing the observed trend over 1979 to 2000, although the models exhibit larger interannual variability in sea ice extent than satellite observations.
9.5.5 Cryosphere Changes - AR4 WGI Chapter 9: Understanding and Attributing Climate Change
And? Antarctic sea ice has had a slight increase. Arctic sea ice has had a major decrease. The continent of Antarctica is losing gigatons of ice annually, and the loss is increasing. Same for the Greenland ice cap.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Greenland_Ice_Mass.gif
Geological cycles operate on geological time scales.
And what kind of time scale is that? When was the last time that we observed it? There are two fundamental failings with the global warming argument. And #2 is the fact that we do not have any reference by which to interpret current observations as anything other than typical.
Damn it. Don't you people ever research anything? Ever hear of ice cores? Sea floor sediments? Isotopal analysis? We have literally billions of years to referance the relationships of atmospheric gases and the temperatures on earth. And we have many examples of rapid warming or cooling in the planets history. And almost all have involved periods of extinction.
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Damn it. Don't you people ever research anything? Ever hear of ice cores? Sea floor sediments? Isotopal analysis? We have literally billions of years to referance the relationships of atmospheric gases and the temperatures on earth. And we have many examples of rapid warming or cooling in the planets history. And almost all have involved periods of extinction.
And what kind of time scale is that? When was the last time that we observed it? There are two fundamental failings with the global warming argument. And #2 is the fact that we do not have any reference by which to interpret current observations as anything other than typical.
Damn it. Don't you people ever research anything? Ever hear of ice cores? Sea floor sediments? Isotopal analysis? We have literally billions of years to referance the relationships of atmospheric gases and the temperatures on earth. And we have many examples of rapid warming or cooling in the planets history. And almost all have involved periods of extinction.
Even more irony!
Yes ice core samples show that CO2 does NOT nor has ever driven climate.
The AGW church denies the scribes altering the scriptures in order to push their religious agenda.
Damn it. Don't you people ever research anything? Ever hear of ice cores? Sea floor sediments? Isotopal analysis? We have literally billions of years to referance the relationships of atmospheric gases and the temperatures on earth. And we have many examples of rapid warming or cooling in the planets history. And almost all have involved periods of extinction.
Even more irony!
Yes ice core samples show that CO2 does NOT nor has ever driven climate.
The AGW church denies the scribes altering the scriptures in order to push their religious agenda.
If he ever knew about the Vostok ice core data, he'd know CO2 is not a driver of climate. In fact it lags temperature. LAGS.
Let's begin with the dismantling of the global warming theory, one step at a time.
First, beginning with Al Gore's prediction that by 2013 the ice caps would be fully melted:
However in October, there was a record amount of ice in the South Pole (See image below)
The bounce back in the extent of sea ice in the Arctic this summer was reflected also in the volume of ice.
Data from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft suggests there were almost 9,000 cu km of ice at the end of this year's melt season.
This is close to 50% more than in the corresponding period in 2012.
BBC News - Esa's Cryosat sees Arctic sea-ice volume bounce back
That's strike one.
Then we get to the IPCC's misstep on the Himalayan glaciers, which they predicted would melt away by 2035:
IPCC officials admit mistake over melting Himalayan glaciers | Environment | theguardian.com
That's strike two.
Then there's entire idea of man-made global warming, which people have insisted since the time of Svante Arrhenius in the 19th Century (the progenitor of the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory) would eventually destroy the the planet or irreparably harm the atmosphere. However, nearly a century after Arrhenius posited this theory, it has been discovered that global warming stopped in 1997:
In October 2012, the UK's Met Office released concessionary data that suggested that global warming ceased as much as 15 years before, in 1997:
-The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
-This means that the pause in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996
The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week (NOTE: last week is the week preceding October 13, 2012)
The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.
This means that the plateau or pause in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.
That's strike three.
Let us begin with the fact that you are a dumb ass liar. At no time did Al Gore or anyone else I know of predict that the ice caps, north and south would be gone by 2013.
Bounce back in summer sea ice in the Arctic? What you smokin' there, boy? It was the sixth lowest ice extent on record. Yes, it bounced back compared to the drastic decline of 2012, but as you can see on this chart, it was by no means a recovery. Just a natural variation.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png
Geological cycles operate on geological time scales.
And what kind of time scale is that? When was the last time that we observed it? There are two fundamental failings with the global warming argument. And #2 is the fact that we do not have any reference by which to interpret current observations as anything other than typical.
Damn it. Don't you people ever research anything? Ever hear of ice cores? Sea floor sediments? Isotopal analysis? We have literally billions of years to referance the relationships of atmospheric gases and the temperatures on earth. And we have many examples of rapid warming or cooling in the planets history. And almost all have involved periods of extinction.
And? Antarctic sea ice has had a slight increase. Arctic sea ice has had a major decrease. The continent of Antarctica is losing gigatons of ice annually, and the loss is increasing. Same for the Greenland ice cap.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Greenland_Ice_Mass.gif
And yet not one link to the datasets with source code that proves CO2 drives climate. I have been asking this of the AGW cultists (for over 20 years) to produce this in order to prove their "science", even asked James Hansen to do this and still so far nothing.
The AGW bible says that as CO2 rises so does temperature. So far that has not been the case. CO2 does not drive climate and it never has.
You can post all the AGW propaganda you wish, but that is all it will ever be.
Even ice core samples have proven that CO2 has never driven climate.
The Sun Drives the climate. Where is the quote from a scientist that says CO2 drives the climate?
Let's begin with the dismantling of the global warming theory, one step at a time.
First, beginning with Al Gore's prediction that by 2013 the ice caps would be fully melted:
However in October, there was a record amount of ice in the South Pole (See image below)
The bounce back in the extent of sea ice in the Arctic this summer was reflected also in the volume of ice.
Data from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft suggests there were almost 9,000 cu km of ice at the end of this year's melt season.
This is close to 50% more than in the corresponding period in 2012.
BBC News - Esa's Cryosat sees Arctic sea-ice volume bounce back
That's strike one.
Then we get to the IPCC's misstep on the Himalayan glaciers, which they predicted would melt away by 2035:
IPCC officials admit mistake over melting Himalayan glaciers | Environment | theguardian.com
That's strike two.
Then there's entire idea of man-made global warming, which people have insisted since the time of Svante Arrhenius in the 19th Century (the progenitor of the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory) would eventually destroy the the planet or irreparably harm the atmosphere. However, nearly a century after Arrhenius posited this theory, it has been discovered that global warming stopped in 1997:
In October 2012, the UK's Met Office released concessionary data that suggested that global warming ceased as much as 15 years before, in 1997:
-The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
-This means that the pause in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996
The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week (NOTE: last week is the week preceding October 13, 2012)
The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.
This means that the plateau or pause in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.
That's strike three.
Let us begin with the fact that you are a dumb ass liar. At no time did Al Gore or anyone else I know of predict that the ice caps, north and south would be gone by 2013.
EDITORIAL: Al Gore, soothsayer - Washington Times
Five years ago, Al Gore predicted the North Poles ice cap would become a fond memory, a casualty of the raging inferno of global warming. The entire North Polar ice cap will be gone in five years, he solemnly told a German TV audience.
