2012: Obama Wins. Now what?

[Synthaholic]

- Democrats don't need another candidate. Obama has by far the largest odds of reelection and is the most popular elected official in the country by a wide margin. You clearly don't like him, but the Democratic voters who would choose a nominee have no reason to reject him.

Longtime democrat strategists Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen completely disagree.

When Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson accepted the reality that they could not effectively govern the nation if they sought re-election to the White House, both men took the moral high ground and decided against running for a new term as president. President Obama is facing a similar reality—and he must reach the same conclusion.

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Certainly, Mr. Obama could still win re-election in 2012. Even with his all-time low job approval ratings (and even worse ratings on handling the economy) the president could eke out a victory in November. But the kind of campaign required for the president's political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern—not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term.

Put simply, it seems that the White House has concluded that if the president cannot run on his record, he will need to wage the most negative campaign in history to stand any chance. With his job approval ratings below 45% overall and below 40% on the economy, the president cannot affirmatively make the case that voters are better off now than they were four years ago. He—like everyone else—knows that they are worse off.

Patrick Caddell and Douglas Schoen: The Hillary Moment - WSJ.com

But you Boiking fluffers keep living your lie...It's becoming quite amusing.

Hey dittohead: Pat Caddell hasn't been a Democratic anything since the 1970s. He was one of Ross Perot's top guys in 1992.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well? What will you do? Complain and shout hyperbolic things for another four years?

It's to be expected liberals will join in together.
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[JakeStarkey]

You have to take the Senate. Screw Obama. If you have the House and the Senate the Bam Bam is toast.
It doesn't matter if he takes the Presidency.

The win is the Senate. That's what I'm signing up for. Let's remove O's power.

The GOP will need 67 votes in the Senate to over ride any BHO veto.

That won't happen next year.

Then NOTHING will get done until obama surrenders. If he refuses to play ball, he will be seen as the obstructionist and insure a Republican will occupy the White House for a good long time. But why are we even arguing this? Ain't gonna happen.

You are absolutely right, if Romney is not nominated. The Senate will go GOP and the House will have a bare majority of GOP, if that. Obama is going to have plenty of room to blame GOP for everything, including syphillis.

 

[Chris]

Is that really the formula for success? Gridlock?

We could definitely do worse than gridlock.

As we have the last 3 years.

And yet Obama solved the deficit problem just the same.

 

[Chris]

The GOP will need 67 votes in the Senate to over ride any BHO veto.

That won't happen next year.

Then NOTHING will get done until obama surrenders. If he refuses to play ball, he will be seen as the obstructionist and insure a Republican will occupy the White House for a good long time. But why are we even arguing this? Ain't gonna happen.

You are absolutely right, if Romney is not nominated. The Senate will go GOP and the House will have a bare majority of GOP, if that. Obama is going to have plenty of room to blame GOP for everything, including syphillis.

Don't be so sure.

The tide is shifting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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And Baldrick the Younger melts down!

 

[Ernie S.]

If Obama is reelected in 2012, I hope he can provide single-payer health insurance for all. Single-payer - not just a Public Option.

I was wrong. You are not TDM's sober sock puppet. You are rdean's sock puppet on acid.

 

[rightwinger]

You have to take the Senate. Screw Obama. If you have the House and the Senate the Bam Bam is toast.
It doesn't matter if he takes the Presidency.

The win is the Senate. That's what I'm signing up for. Let's remove O's power.

The GOP will need 67 votes in the Senate to over ride any BHO veto.

That won't happen next year.

Then NOTHING will get done until obama surrenders. If he refuses to play ball, he will be seen as the obstructionist and insure a Republican will occupy the White House for a good long time.
But why are we even arguing this?

Ain't gonna happen.

You don't get it..

Republicans don't have a ball to play. As the public remains sour on Congress and it's unwillingness to help people in need, Obama will be looked at as the only one in the room looking out for them

Republicans in Congress takes sides against Obama....they will lose

An 8% approval rating will do that

 

[francoHFW]

Soon gridlock will mean end of Bush Tax cuts, then defense cuts, and Obamacare...Krugman loves it...

 

[Lakhota]

If Obama is reelected in 2012, I hope he can provide single-payer health insurance for all. Single-payer - not just a Public Option.

I was wrong. You are not TDM's sober sock puppet. You are rdean's sock puppet on acid.

rdean is a great American patriot.

 

[Synthaholic]

Total bunk.
The GOP controls the House. Last I checked the Senate was under Democratic control, and stopping most GOP measures.
Obama would face a Congress heavily Republican, and not inclined to work with him, as the Congress was under Bush (hint: who wrote No Child Left Behind?).
No president has been re elected with such lousy economic numbers. And they are getting worse. Obama's solutions have all failed, and all he can do is propose more of them.

So.....can we finally concede that Rick Perry is a non-factor?

That leaves us with Romney, who even the Republicans have to hold their nose to back. Obama is still much more popular than any Republican right now. Romney can't pull numbers against the bunch of stiffs he is running against.....he won't do anything against Obama

Once Obama is reelected, and he will be, what cards do the Republicans have? The Bush tax cuts are DOA given the current animosity between the parties. No way they get extended unless you have something to deal. What do Republicans have to deal? Another threatened government shutdown? That card has already been played twice.....how many more times do Repubs think they can play it?

You dont get it. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, she will win. If they nominate Santorum he will win. If they nominate Bozo the Clown, he would win.
Obama is the worst president in history. He is the worst world leader since Idi Amin.

The delusion of the extreme rightwing fringe.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well? What will you do? Complain and shout hyperbolic things for another four years?

It's to be expected liberals will join in together.
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Jake fucked up my post so I will re-post it

 

[Chris]

Soon gridlock will mean end of Bush Tax cuts, then defense cuts, and Obamacare...Krugman loves it...

Really?

I thought I was the only one who realized that the Republicans in Congress fell right into Obama's trap on the Bush tax cuts and the supercommittee spending cuts.

 

[Cuyo]

So.....can we finally concede that Rick Perry is a non-factor?

That leaves us with Romney, who even the Republicans have to hold their nose to back. Obama is still much more popular than any Republican right now. Romney can't pull numbers against the bunch of stiffs he is running against.....he won't do anything against Obama

Once Obama is reelected, and he will be, what cards do the Republicans have? The Bush tax cuts are DOA given the current animosity between the parties. No way they get extended unless you have something to deal. What do Republicans have to deal? Another threatened government shutdown? That card has already been played twice.....how many more times do Repubs think they can play it?

You dont get it. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, she will win. If they nominate Santorum he will win. If they nominate Bozo the Clown, he would win.
Obama is the worst president in history. He is the worst world leader since Idi Amin.

The delusion of the extreme rightwing fringe.

I've been bookmarkin' em. Not saying Obama will win, although it's a statistic probability, but it will be amusing if he does.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Same old threat Republicans have used for the last three years

If you do not get rid of Obama......we will obstruct the government till he is gone

Obama must FAIL....Part II

Hmmm If the GOP takes the Senate, it will be obama that is doing the obstructing.

Republicans will take the Senate and lose the House

They will pull the same Tea Bagging nonsense they do now crafting bills that please their base but have no chance of even making it to Obamas desk

Until they learn to legislate like adults, nothing will be passed

You really mean "legislating like liberals".

 

[The Rabbi]

We could definitely do worse than gridlock.

As we have the last 3 years.

And yet Obama solved the deficit problem just the same.

He solved it by making today's deficits look like surpluses compared to what he has in mind.
Is there any connection to reality you retain here?

 

[The Rabbi]

So.....can we finally concede that Rick Perry is a non-factor?

That leaves us with Romney, who even the Republicans have to hold their nose to back. Obama is still much more popular than any Republican right now. Romney can't pull numbers against the bunch of stiffs he is running against.....he won't do anything against Obama

Once Obama is reelected, and he will be, what cards do the Republicans have? The Bush tax cuts are DOA given the current animosity between the parties. No way they get extended unless you have something to deal. What do Republicans have to deal? Another threatened government shutdown? That card has already been played twice.....how many more times do Repubs think they can play it?

You dont get it. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, she will win. If they nominate Santorum he will win. If they nominate Bozo the Clown, he would win.
Obama is the worst president in history. He is the worst world leader since Idi Amin.

The delusion of the extreme rightwing fringe.

Obama loses next to several GOP candidates. Adn that's today. His trend is down. And when the economy hits the double dip his approval ratings will be even lower.

 

[Synthaholic]

Is that really the formula for success? Gridlock?

We could definitely do worse than gridlock.

As we have the last 3 years.

Sorry that overnight, Obama didn't fix the 8-years-in-the-making clusterfuck that Bush left us with.

 

[The Rabbi]

We could definitely do worse than gridlock.

As we have the last 3 years.

Sorry that overnight, Obama didn't fix the 8-years-in-the-making clusterfuck that Bush left us with.

Three years with a filibuster proof majority is not overnight, sweet cheeks.
Bush solved the Clinton recession within 18 months. This is the longest recession in history.

 

[Cuyo]

You dont get it. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, she will win. If they nominate Santorum he will win. If they nominate Bozo the Clown, he would win.
Obama is the worst president in history. He is the worst world leader since Idi Amin.

The delusion of the extreme rightwing fringe.

Obama loses next to several GOP candidates. Adn that's today. His trend is down. And when the economy hits the double dip his approval ratings will be even lower.

Orly? Which several?
RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates

Cuz it looks to me like he edges out Romney and obliterates all the others.