2/3 say ditch individual health care mandate

[The Rabbi]

yup and if you were dying in the street and a cop or firefighter or decent human being saw you, they would take you to a hospital and you would get treatment no matter what your ability to pay is.

yep...and the ER would take you no matter what your ability to pay is.

And if it isd found you cant pay, thyey7 dont charge you...they send the bill to the federal governement.

And the government pays.

And we the taxpayer were OK with that system. It met the need to ensure all got medical care when they needed it...but did not forece anyone to do anything they did not want to do.

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

No that is not so. Unpaid bills are only a small part of health costs.

 

[Jarhead]

yup and if you were dying in the street and a cop or firefighter or decent human being saw you, they would take you to a hospital and you would get treatment no matter what your ability to pay is.

yep...and the ER would take you no matter what your ability to pay is.

And if it isd found you cant pay, thyey7 dont charge you...they send the bill to the federal governement.

And the government pays.

And we the taxpayer were OK with that system. It met the need to ensure all got medical care when they needed it...but did not forece anyone to do anything they did not want to do.

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

Did you just make that up?

You are saying that INsurance companies are the ones who take on the cost of a doctor not getting paid by an uninsured individual...and then spread those "losses" to their premium holders?

So tell me.....lets use Dr. Jones; Ed the patient, and ABC health insurance.

Ed the patient has no insurance. He goes to the ER for a broken arm.
Dr. Jones fixes his arm and the ER bills Ed 3000...
Ed ignores the bill.
Exactly who decides that ABC Health Insurance must pay Dr. Jones?

Giomme a break...you made that up.

 

[Syphon]

yep...and the ER would take you no matter what your ability to pay is.

And if it isd found you cant pay, thyey7 dont charge you...they send the bill to the federal governement.

And the government pays.

And we the taxpayer were OK with that system. It met the need to ensure all got medical care when they needed it...but did not forece anyone to do anything they did not want to do.

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

No that is not so. Unpaid bills are only a small part of health costs.

apparently $49B to you is only a small fraction

Up to $49 billion unpaid by uninsured for hospitalizations - USATODAY.com

 

[Jarhead]

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

No that is not so. Unpaid bills are only a small part of health costs.

apparently $49B to you is only a small fraction

Up to $49 billion unpaid by uninsured for hospitalizations - USATODAY.com

and how much will the healthcare plan cost the taxpayer?

I believe somewhere in the vicinity of 1 trillion over 10 years.

Seems like it will be twice as expensive.

 

[Syphon]

yep...and the ER would take you no matter what your ability to pay is.

And if it isd found you cant pay, thyey7 dont charge you...they send the bill to the federal governement.

And the government pays.

And we the taxpayer were OK with that system. It met the need to ensure all got medical care when they needed it...but did not forece anyone to do anything they did not want to do.

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

Did you just make that up?

You are saying that INsurance companies are the ones who take on the cost of a doctor not getting paid by an uninsured individual...and then spread those "losses" to their premium holders?

So tell me.....lets use Dr. Jones; Ed the patient, and ABC health insurance.

Ed the patient has no insurance. He goes to the ER for a broken arm.
Dr. Jones fixes his arm and the ER bills Ed 3000...
Ed ignores the bill.
Exactly who decides that ABC Health Insurance must pay Dr. Jones?

Giomme a break...you made that up.

that doctor will increase what he charges his other customers or the rates he charges insurance companies in order to recoup costs.
this leads to insurance companies having to charge higher premiums in order to pay the higher rates doctors and hospitals are charging

guess you never thought about that now.

 

[G.T.]

yep...and the ER would take you no matter what your ability to pay is.

And if it isd found you cant pay, thyey7 dont charge you...they send the bill to the federal governement.

And the government pays.

And we the taxpayer were OK with that system. It met the need to ensure all got medical care when they needed it...but did not forece anyone to do anything they did not want to do.

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

Did you just make that up?

You are saying that INsurance companies are the ones who take on the cost of a doctor not getting paid by an uninsured individual...and then spread those "losses" to their premium holders?

So tell me.....lets use Dr. Jones; Ed the patient, and ABC health insurance.

Ed the patient has no insurance. He goes to the ER for a broken arm.
Dr. Jones fixes his arm and the ER bills Ed 3000...
Ed ignores the bill.
Exactly who decides that ABC Health Insurance must pay Dr. Jones?

Giomme a break...you made that up.

No offense.

But the unpaid bills cause Docs to raise their Reimbursement rates - which causes insurance to cost more.

 

[Syphon]

No that is not so. Unpaid bills are only a small part of health costs.

apparently $49B to you is only a small fraction

Up to $49 billion unpaid by uninsured for hospitalizations - USATODAY.com

and how much will the healthcare plan cost the taxpayer?

I believe somewhere in the vicinity of 1 trillion over 10 years.

Seems like it will be twice as expensive.

so your not willing to take into account the 40 million people who dont use any services because they dont have insurance?

so lets see $1T over 10 years is $100 B a year divided by 40 M people is $2500 a person a year or roughly $200 a month. not exactly bad now ya think.

Houston hospitals? unpaid medical bills pass $1B - Houston Business Journal

apparently another hospitals bills are approaching $1B in unpaid medical costs. are you willing to say they can start turning away people?

 

[Jarhead]

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

Did you just make that up?

You are saying that INsurance companies are the ones who take on the cost of a doctor not getting paid by an uninsured individual...and then spread those "losses" to their premium holders?

So tell me.....lets use Dr. Jones; Ed the patient, and ABC health insurance.

Ed the patient has no insurance. He goes to the ER for a broken arm.
Dr. Jones fixes his arm and the ER bills Ed 3000...
Ed ignores the bill.
Exactly who decides that ABC Health Insurance must pay Dr. Jones?

Giomme a break...you made that up.

No offense.

But the unpaid bills cause Docs to raise their Reimbursement rates - which causes insurance to cost more.

uh...no.

Docs do not have a say in their reimbursement rates.

If they do not comply with the insurance programs, they do not accept patients with that insurance.

But a valient effort to explain whatever it is Syphon said...but Syphon is wrong.

 

[Jarhead]

apparently $49B to you is only a small fraction

Up to $49 billion unpaid by uninsured for hospitalizations - USATODAY.com

and how much will the healthcare plan cost the taxpayer?

I believe somewhere in the vicinity of 1 trillion over 10 years.

Seems like it will be twice as expensive.

so your not willing to take into account the 40 million people who dont use any services because they dont have insurance?

so lets see $1T over 10 years is $100 B a year divided by 40 M people is $2500 a person a year or roughly $200 a month. not exactly bad now ya think.

Houston hospitals? unpaid medical bills pass $1B - Houston Business Journal

apparently another hospitals bills are approaching $1B in unpaid medical costs. are you willing to say they can start turning away people?

those 40 million can...and have been using ER's at the cost of the tax payer.

 

[Full-Auto]

many tax payers arent ok with this system. hence the need to make everyone pay something. the reason rates keep going up is due to unpaid medical bill which then get spread across the premiums of those who actually pay.

you would think the right would support making people pay the services they use...

No that is not so. Unpaid bills are only a small part of health costs.

apparently $49B to you is only a small fraction

Up to $49 billion unpaid by uninsured for hospitalizations - USATODAY.com

1.7 trillion was spent in 2003 where does your 49 billion fraction out at?

 

[G.T.]

Did you just make that up?

You are saying that INsurance companies are the ones who take on the cost of a doctor not getting paid by an uninsured individual...and then spread those "losses" to their premium holders?

So tell me.....lets use Dr. Jones; Ed the patient, and ABC health insurance.

Ed the patient has no insurance. He goes to the ER for a broken arm.
Dr. Jones fixes his arm and the ER bills Ed 3000...
Ed ignores the bill.
Exactly who decides that ABC Health Insurance must pay Dr. Jones?

Giomme a break...you made that up.

No offense.

But the unpaid bills cause Docs to raise their Reimbursement rates - which causes insurance to cost more.

uh...no.

Docs do not have a say in their reimbursement rates.

If they do not comply with the insurance programs, they do not accept patients with that insurance.

But a valient effort to explain whatever it is Syphon said...but Syphon is wrong.

Read about Prometheus.

 

[Syphon]

and how much will the healthcare plan cost the taxpayer?

I believe somewhere in the vicinity of 1 trillion over 10 years.

Seems like it will be twice as expensive.

so your not willing to take into account the 40 million people who dont use any services because they dont have insurance?

so lets see $1T over 10 years is $100 B a year divided by 40 M people is $2500 a person a year or roughly $200 a month. not exactly bad now ya think.

Houston hospitals? unpaid medical bills pass $1B - Houston Business Journal

apparently another hospitals bills are approaching $1B in unpaid medical costs. are you willing to say they can start turning away people?

those 40 million can...and have been using ER's at the cost of the tax payer.

so your ok with paying for other people health care?

 

[G.T.]

so your not willing to take into account the 40 million people who dont use any services because they dont have insurance?

so lets see $1T over 10 years is $100 B a year divided by 40 M people is $2500 a person a year or roughly $200 a month. not exactly bad now ya think.

Houston hospitals? unpaid medical bills pass $1B - Houston Business Journal

apparently another hospitals bills are approaching $1B in unpaid medical costs. are you willing to say they can start turning away people?

those 40 million can...and have been using ER's at the cost of the tax payer.

so your ok with paying for other people health care?

forcibly so, even.

 

[Syphon]

Did you just make that up?

You are saying that INsurance companies are the ones who take on the cost of a doctor not getting paid by an uninsured individual...and then spread those "losses" to their premium holders?

So tell me.....lets use Dr. Jones; Ed the patient, and ABC health insurance.

Ed the patient has no insurance. He goes to the ER for a broken arm.
Dr. Jones fixes his arm and the ER bills Ed 3000...
Ed ignores the bill.
Exactly who decides that ABC Health Insurance must pay Dr. Jones?

Giomme a break...you made that up.

No offense.

But the unpaid bills cause Docs to raise their Reimbursement rates - which causes insurance to cost more.

uh...no.

Docs do not have a say in their reimbursement rates.

If they do not comply with the insurance programs, they do not accept patients with that insurance.

But a valient effort to explain whatever it is Syphon said...but Syphon is wrong.

What the new study suggests, though, is that providers often pass along the cost of treating the uninsured to their insured patients. Its analysis found that families pay, on average, as much as $1,100 extra and individuals $410 extra in health-care premiums each year in order to cover the cost of treatment to uninsured patients who cannot afford to pay their bills. That amounts to as much as 8% higher premiums due to the lack of universal health care in the U.S. "So many Americans think that universal coverage is for the uninsured," says Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, a Rhode Island Democrat who has been a vocal advocate of health-care reform. "This is the hidden tax we all pay for our failure to insure all Americans.

Read more: Do Your Premiums Help Cover the Uninsured? - TIME


thanks but try again....

are you gonna say TIME magazine is not a valid source now?

 

[Syphon]

those 40 million can...and have been using ER's at the cost of the tax payer.

so your ok with paying for other people health care?

forcibly so, even.

so why are you against the health care law and making everyone pay something?

 

[Full-Auto]

so your ok with paying for other people health care?

forcibly so, even.

so why are you against the health care law and making everyone pay something?

Not everyone pays, simple enough?

 

[Jarhead]

so your not willing to take into account the 40 million people who dont use any services because they dont have insurance?

so lets see $1T over 10 years is $100 B a year divided by 40 M people is $2500 a person a year or roughly $200 a month. not exactly bad now ya think.

Houston hospitals? unpaid medical bills pass $1B - Houston Business Journal

apparently another hospitals bills are approaching $1B in unpaid medical costs. are you willing to say they can start turning away people?

those 40 million can...and have been using ER's at the cost of the tax payer.

so your ok with paying for other people health care?

the way the system is now...yes. Never complianed about it. It would be inhumane to complain about it.

No need for governemnt to spend twice a smuch for the same result....AND forcing people to buy something they cant afford....or dont want.

 

[G.T.]

so your ok with paying for other people health care?

forcibly so, even.

so why are you against the health care law and making everyone pay something?

Uh, I'm not?

 

[Jarhead]

so your ok with paying for other people health care?

forcibly so, even.

so why are you against the health care law and making everyone pay something?

becuase it opens the door to what we are now seeing.

Last week it was "I want free birth control"...and the result is insurance companies are mandated to offer it.

Whats next?

Massages?

Accupuncture?

Face lifts? (I cant get a job becuase I look old...a face lift will open doors for me)...

Like I said...it is opening some very ugly doors.

 

[Jarhead]

No offense.

But the unpaid bills cause Docs to raise their Reimbursement rates - which causes insurance to cost more.

uh...no.

Docs do not have a say in their reimbursement rates.

If they do not comply with the insurance programs, they do not accept patients with that insurance.

But a valient effort to explain whatever it is Syphon said...but Syphon is wrong.

What the new study suggests, though, is that providers often pass along the cost of treating the uninsured to their insured patients. Its analysis found that families pay, on average, as much as $1,100 extra and individuals $410 extra in health-care premiums each year in order to cover the cost of treatment to uninsured patients who cannot afford to pay their bills. That amounts to as much as 8% higher premiums due to the lack of universal health care in the U.S. "So many Americans think that universal coverage is for the uninsured," says Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, a Rhode Island Democrat who has been a vocal advocate of health-care reform. "This is the hidden tax we all pay for our failure to insure all Americans.

Read more: Do Your Premiums Help Cover the Uninsured? - TIME


thanks but try again....

are you gonna say TIME magazine is not a valid source now?

are you aware that a large percentage of the cost of clothing in a retail store is incorporated into the pricing to compensate for stolen goods?

What you are saying is not unusual.....but it has nothing to do with the insurance ciompanies....they reimburse what they reimburse.