19 polls show voters want taxes on wealthy raised

[CrusaderFrank]

Dems: The "I buy votes using taxpayer money" party

 

[Toro]

Freedom is for all, freedom is not just for some. It is unfair to tax some and not tax others. If 60% to 70% think wealth redistribution is the answer than they are Marxists. This is straight out of the Communist Manifesto.

Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto?

See, I have. And I don't recall anything in the Communist Manifesto saying that the rich should pay a higher marginal rate of tax on their income and capital gains. But that was awhile ago, so if you can point to that passage in the Communist Manifesto, it would be appreciated.

Yo Vern, read it again:

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto

1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.


5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

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Thanks for that. Age takes it's toll.

Of course, in America, the actual rate of tax on the wealthiest isn't particularly high.

The many adjustments to income permitted by the tax code, plus alternative tax rates on the largest sources of income of the wealthy, explain why the average federal income tax rate on the 400 richest people in America was 18.11 percent in 2008, according to the Internal Revenue Service, down from 26.38 percent when these data were first calculated in 1992. Among the top 400, 7.5 percent had an average tax rate of less than 10 percent, 25 percent paid between 10 and 15 percent, and 28 percent paid between 15 and 20 percent.

Bruce Bartlett: Are Taxes in the U.S. High or Low? - NYTimes.com

 

[Toro]

Freedom is for all, freedom is not just for some. It is unfair to tax some and not tax others. If 60% to 70% think wealth redistribution is the answer than they are Marxists. This is straight out of the Communist Manifesto.

Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto?

See, I have. And I don't recall anything in the Communist Manifesto saying that the rich should pay a higher marginal rate of tax on their income and capital gains. But that was awhile ago, so if you can point to that passage in the Communist Manifesto, it would be appreciated.

Your an idiot...What the hell do you think Karl Marx was writing about? Your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking, so I highlight the important part.

Marxism

Main articles: Marxism and Socialism (Marxism)

Karl Marx, 1875.I n the most influential of all socialist theories, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels believed the consciousness of those who earn a wage or salary (the "working class" in the broadest Marxist sense) would be molded by their "conditions" of "wage-slavery", leading to a tendency to seek their freedom or "emancipation" by throwing off the capitalist ownership of society. For Marx and Engels, conditions determine consciousness and ending the role of the capitalist class leads eventually to a classless society in which the state would wither away.

Marx wrote: "It is not the consciousness of [people] that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness."

The Marxist conception of socialism is that of a specific historical phase that will displace capitalism and precede communism. The major characteristics of socialism (particularly as conceived by Marx and Engels after the Paris Commune of 1871) are that the proletariat will control the means of production through a workers' state erected by the workers in their interests. Economic activity would still be organised through the use of incentive systems and social classes would still exist, but to a lesser and diminishing extent than under capitalism.

For orthodox Marxists, socialism is the lower stage of communism based on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution" while upper stage communism is based on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"; the upper stage becoming possible only after the socialist stage further develops economic efficiency and the automation of production has led to a superabundance of goods and services.

Marx argued that the material productive forces (in industry and commerce) brought into existence by capitalism predicated a cooperative society since production had become a mass social, collective activity of the working class to create commodities but with private ownership (the relations of production or property relations). This conflict between collective effort in large factories and private ownership would bring about a conscious desire in the working class to establish collective ownership commensurate with the collective efforts their daily experience.

"At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or – this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms – with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure."[49] A socialist society based on democratric cooperation thus arises. Eventually the state, associated with all previous societies which are divided into classes for the purpose of suppressing the oppressed classes, withers away.

By contrast, Émile Durkheim posits that socialism is rooted in the desire to bring the state closer to the realm of individual activity, in countering the anomie of a capitalist society, considering that socialism "simply represented a system in which moral principles discovered by scientific sociology could be applied". Durkheim could be considered a modern social democrat for advocating social reforms, but rejecting the creation of a socialist society.

Che Guevara sought socialism based on the rural peasantry rather than the urban working class, attempting to inspire the peasants of Bolivia by his own example into a change of consciousness. Guevara said in 1965:

Socialism cannot exist without a change in consciousness resulting in a new fraternal attitude toward humanity, both at an individual level, within the societies where socialism is being built or has been built, and on a world scale, with regard to all peoples suffering from imperialist oppression.

In the middle of the 20th century, socialist intellectuals retained considerable influence in European philosophy. Eros and Civilisation (1955), by Herbert Marcuse, explicitly attempted to merge Marxism with Freudianism. The social science of Marxist structuralism had a significant influence on the socialist New Left in the 1960s and the 1970s.

Source: Wikipedia - Because I do not want to spend much time on this gibberish.

If you're going to cut and paste, at least cut and paste what's germane to the discussion.

Given that all rich countries have progressive income tax schemes, according to you, I guess all rich countries are "Marxist." Who knew that Marxism had taken over the world and has been so successful? The Soviet Russians must be surprised.

 

[Toro]

There simply isn't enough wealth in this entire country for the Federal Government to confiscate to pay this tab.

I agree. We have to start reforming entitlements. Unfunded liabilities, particularly of medicare, are a serious threat to the long term fiscal health of the country. We have to change the way we operate and distribute social security, medicare and medicaid.

However, you shouldn't exaggerate either. Federal taxes to GDP is about 15%, the lowest it has been in 60 years. Historically, it has been 18%-20%.

Remember, we had a balanced budget a decade ago and the economy worked pretty well then. When the economy gets back to health, we can go back those rates without much problem.

The problem is that these entitlement programs are mainly middle class programs. If the middle class wants them, they are going to have to pay for them. But the middle class has been whacked over the past decade, and has seen their incomes stagnate or decline. The wealthiest have done best, so the middle class is looking to take it from them.

When the economy is growing, people will take it out of either the economic arena or the political arena. People would prefer to take it out the economic arena. But if the gains are being accrued by a small group of people and everyone else is doing poorly, they will take it out of the political arena.

 

[daveman]

thx for that I was to lazy, I am sooo tired of this argument. frankly anyone employing a modicum of logic can figure out when the gov. actually spends money by sending it to people to simply KEEP them above the party line, it has got to come from somewhere.

since there are only 3 million 100 and 4 thousand high earners the math is frightfully simple.

Of course, they always respond to this with the lame "rich people get more benefit from the military and roads and stuff" argument.

The government pays people to be poor and vote Democrat. It's that simple.

 

[Contumacious]

thx for that I was to lazy, I am sooo tired of this argument. frankly anyone employing a modicum of logic can figure out when the gov. actually spends money by sending it to people to simply KEEP them above the party line, it has got to come from somewhere.

since there are only 3 million 100 and 4 thousand high earners the math is frightfully simple.

Of course, they always respond to this with the lame "rich people get more benefit from the military and roads and stuff" argument.

The government pays people to be poor and vote Democrat. It's that simple.

Yes , indeed.

In a democratic welfare state the Parasitic Faction votes early and often.

.

 

[chikenwing]

19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

Why do you hate your fellow americans?

Billionaires are not my fellow Americans.

My fellow Americans are police, teachers, truck drivers, bank tellers, secretaries, nurses, and so on.

Scratch a lib like this one,you find a bigot,class warfare moron,racist,and just plan stupid dumb ass.

This in a nut shell is the left.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Expecting people to contribute to the society that enabled them to gain wealth is not stealing

Correct. Expecting them to is just an opinion. Forcing them to is stealing.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No, the real punchline is that things will get much worse for people who get needed services cut... Programs they've been paying into their whole lives(In My Case... 32 years).

Well then, perhaps you and they should have thought about that the past 32 years when you were all voting for politicians who spent all that money away for those programs. You reap what you sow.

 

[daveman]

thx for that I was to lazy, I am sooo tired of this argument. frankly anyone employing a modicum of logic can figure out when the gov. actually spends money by sending it to people to simply KEEP them above the party line, it has got to come from somewhere.

since there are only 3 million 100 and 4 thousand high earners the math is frightfully simple.

Of course, they always respond to this with the lame "rich people get more benefit from the military and roads and stuff" argument.

The government pays people to be poor and vote Democrat. It's that simple.

Yes , indeed.

In a democratic welfare state the Parasitic Faction votes early and often.

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Yup. And Democrats long ago said they don't give a shit about what's best for the nation; they just want political power.

 

[rightwinger]

Expecting people to contribute to the society that enabled them to gain wealth is not stealing

Correct. Expecting them to is just an opinion. Forcing them to is stealing.

You are correct.

Nobody is forcing you to belong to the greatest society in the history of mankind. If you do not wish to contribute, you are free to leave anytime you wish....but I doubt if you will find a more favorable tax structure

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

27 polls show that Americans support free ice cream.

 

[saveliberty]

Expecting people to contribute to the society that enabled them to gain wealth is not stealing

Correct. Expecting them to is just an opinion. Forcing them to is stealing.

You are correct.

Nobody is forcing you to belong to the greatest society in the history of mankind. If you do not wish to contribute, you are free to leave anytime you wish....but I doubt if you will find a more favorable tax structure

Your use of the word contribute is under fire, not one's citizenship. I find it interesting that over half of the population doesn't "contribute". I await your outrage at them.

 

[editec]

Polls tell us what people want.

They do not necessarily define the right course of action to take.

They are tools mostly useful for politicians, not intellectuals EXCEPT, those social scientists whose job it is to keep their finger on the pulse of the populus.

Most people, however, understand that the megawealthy have been enjoying massive decreases in taxes for the last 40 years.

Some of them understand that tax cuts for the rich have not lead to a wonderful economy.

Some of us think that still more tax cuts for the superrich are needed.

Therein lies the debate we have constantly here on this board AND in congress, too.

 

[Steelplate]

Of course, they always respond to this with the lame "rich people get more benefit from the military and roads and stuff" argument.

The government pays people to be poor and vote Democrat. It's that simple.

Yes , indeed.

In a democratic welfare state the Parasitic Faction votes early and often.

.

Yup. And Democrats long ago said they don't give a shit about what's best for the nation; they just want political power.

Link?

 

[Steelplate]

Expecting people to contribute to the society that enabled them to gain wealth is not stealing

Correct. Expecting them to is just an opinion. Forcing them to is stealing.

You are correct.

Nobody is forcing you to belong to the greatest society in the history of mankind. If you do not wish to contribute, you are free to leave anytime you wish....but I doubt if you will find a more favorable tax structure

That's right winger...

They want to benefit from the perks that being an American gives them, but they don't want the responsibility... Much like the people that they detest so much. I say good riddance.

Let real Americans come out to the forefront. Real Americans wouldn't have profiteered all those jobs to other countries and then complain about the unemployed deadbeats or the new class of welfare recipients.

 

[Steelplate]

Polls tell us what people want.

They do not necessarily define the right course of action to take.

They are tools mostly useful for politicians, not intellectuals EXCEPT, those social scientists whose job it is to keep their finger on the pulse of the populus.

Most people, however, understand that the megawealthy have been enjoying massive decreases in taxes for the last 40 years.

Some of them understand that tax cuts for the rich have not lead to a wonderful economy.

Some of us think that still more tax cuts for the superrich are needed.

Therein lies the debate we have constantly here on this board AND in congress, too.

And they keep demanding more... or else they won't hire Americans.

 

[Contumacious]

Yes , indeed.

In a democratic welfare state the Parasitic Faction votes early and often.

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Yup. And Democrats long ago said they don't give a shit about what's best for the nation; they just want political power.

Link?

They spoke loud and clear with their actions. Are you paying attention:

1- the Federal Reserve Board
2- graduated income tax
3-medicare
4-medicaid
5 government agencies from AAA to ZZZ
6- ireedeemable paper money
7- ad nauseam

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[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

Well if we were a democracy and not a constitutional republic then the majority could just vote it into being........

Where were you when the majority of americans were against obamacare in all the polls?

 

[Claudette]

Sure lets raise taxes.

Lets raise taxes on all taxpayers. Hell. Lets get that 48% who pay for nothing while we're at it.

Then lets sit back and watch the economy take off like a rocket.

Don't hold your breath.