Discussion in 'Israel and Palestine' started by SobieskiSavedEurope, Sep 3, 2018.
Everything provokes Arabs. They’re the most provokable people on the planet.
The defeat. Your declaration.
It’s always the same.
You mean those “ fake borders” you keep alluding to; the ones that were never recognized either in ‘48 or ‘67?
No, the actual real Palestinian international borders. The ones mentioned in the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements.
Israel is the one using fake borders.
Oh, give me a break. The 1948 declaration of independence by the All-Palestine government was a short-lived, impotent, puppet for Egypt which had no sovereignty over any territory and didn't last out the year they were "declared". You can "declare" anything you want, but if you don't, in fact, control any territory, the declaration is meaningless. And so much more so when you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to the territory upon which you "declare".
Once again, the criteria for a State (declarative theory) are:
1. a defined territory (and please, it doesn't have to be "perfectly" defined. Territorial disputes are normal and there are dozens of examples throughout the world, and these do not impair sovereignty of a State. And anything you use which can support the "defined territory" of Palestine can equally and MORE define the territory of Israel. And further, the State has to demonstrate some sort of sovereignty over said territory.)
2. a permanent population
3. a government (no government = no State. Good-bye to your claims that the All-Palestine Government remains a valid "declaration".
4. the capacity to enter into relations with other states.
Between 1948 and the mid-1990s, definitively, and right up until the present day, arguably, "Palestine" did not meet that criteria. Israel did.
We all know that Israel declared independence and we all know what her international borders are according to international law. Israel's declaration of independence and Israel's existence as a State is not in dispute. And trying to dispute it makes you look foolish.
You mean the Armistice Agreements between Israel, Jordan and Egypt? The ones where the only Parties to the Agreements were those three STATES?! The ones where your All-Palestine Government is mysteriously absent? Those Armistice Agreements?
Wait, what?! Declaring a state is a provocation?!
I see that you have abandoned your earlier attempts to re-write history and demanded that your invented “country of Pal’istan” was created by the Treaty of Lausanne. Now you're on to a newer re-writing of history.
Hey. Lawless people might react to all sorts of things if they don't like following the law. They might even choose to respond with violent riots. The consequences of those decisions are on them, though.
(And to be clear about my position -- I think Israel should give building permits out like candy to those Arabs in Area C who choose to become Israeli citizens on land which Israel intends to annex. Not just building permits -- but infrastructure and goodies galore. But if there is even a breath of treason against Israel they should be dumped into Area A as fast as someone can drive a bus there.)
Again with the lies. No one is being expelled. Buildings constructed without a permit are being demolished.
Separate names with a comma.