10 Medical Workers Killed by Taliban

[Kalam]

there are no "Christians" doing those things

It's not my place to judge who is or isn't a Christian (though many of you have no reservations about doing that with Muslims.) You would be incorrect to deny that there are people doing those things who are very committed to what they believe is Christianity.

just as you were wrong to say some muslims were apostates

I see no connection between those two discussions.

 

[DiveCon]

It's not my place to judge who is or isn't a Christian (though many of you have no reservations about doing that with Muslims.) You would be incorrect to deny that there are people doing those things who are very committed to what they believe is Christianity.

just as you were wrong to say some muslims were apostates

I see no connection between those two discussions.

if you can declare that some muslims doing bad things are apostate and not muslim, then i can say the same thing about so called "christians' doing bad things

 

[Kalam]

just as you were wrong to say some muslims were apostates

I see no connection between those two discussions.

if you can declare that some muslims doing bad things are apostate and not muslim, then i can say the same thing about so called "christians' doing bad things

When did I say otherwise?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Let me spell it out in plain english.
2. islam is evil while Christianity is good.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[DiveCon]

I see no connection between those two discussions.

if you can declare that some muslims doing bad things are apostate and not muslim, then i can say the same thing about so called "christians' doing bad things

When did I say otherwise?

then we agree
either those you claimed are apostate are muslims or the people you claimed were christians arent

 

[AllieBaba]

you think this is "upset" doyareally? you are a hick but not smarter,, that's for sure.

well, you seem to be responding to my every post and repping me at every opportunity. These are indicative of you following me, which means you either really like me, or your panties are in a bunch. Based on the negative retorts that generally have nothing to do with the actual topic at hand, I'd guess you're all huffy.

Yes, just like Christianity is a peaceful religion.

You who is incapable of distinguishing radical extremists from the religions they associate with need to learn a bit about history before bashing an entire religion. Leave your prejudice at the door, for your religion is no better.

You're a piece of shit if you can't distinguish between slaughtering medical missionaries, who bring medicine to the destitute and primitive people of Afghanistan, and the fucking terrorists, who get hardons by robbing, torturing, terrorizing, and butchering their own people as well as anyone else who they feel moved to torment.

So please tell me...where currently are bands of Christian missionaries raping, torturing, killing, and robbing people?

I'll wait, you anti-American, anti-Christian, piece of filth.

Perhaps you missed the point whereby I compared extremist terrorists in one religious group, such as the Talliban, to extremist terrorists in another religion, such as the KKK. No where in my post did I compare religious fanatics to medical missionaries.

Perhaps if you spent less time being an oversensitive ignorant hick using blind rage instead of actually reading posts, you might be able to add something intelligent to the conversation.

So allow me to summarize in simple analogy. Taliban is to Islam, as KKK is to Christianity. Are all Muslims terrorists? Well, are all Christians ignorant bigots. Perhaps this is the wrong thread to ask that last one...

Good luck with that reading thing in the future.

Blah blah blah, no, I have absolutely nothing upon which to base my ridiculous comparison.

Thank you.

And for the record, the Christian bible does not include in it directions for taking over the world violently. Nor does it justify murder and lying in order to reach that goal.

The Koran does.

So those few lunatics who claim to be Christians are actually acting oppositionally to what the bible teaches. There is no passage in the bible that tells Christians to burn crosses, to lynch blacks, or behead non-believers. And Christians universally cry out against such behavior.

There are passages in the Koran which quite specifically state that murdering infidels isn't really murder; that while it is not good to murder innocents, there is no such thing as a non-Islamic innocent, and it is perfectly okay to lie, cheat and steal, so long as it is done in the interest of spreading Islam.

I'm sick of the comparison being made. Christian missionaries do NOT strap bombs to themselves, target school children for butchery, or recruit murderers. Our bible does not tell us that we will receive special perverted prizes if we manage to kill a whole mess of hajis.

The lack of any sort of universal Muslim condemnation of acts of terror proves that Islamic extremism is not, in fact, extreme, but the accepted mode of worship and behavior.

 

[Kalam]

if you can declare that some muslims doing bad things are apostate and not muslim, then i can say the same thing about so called "christians' doing bad things

When did I say otherwise?

then we agree
either those you claimed are apostate are muslims or the people you claimed were christians arent

I'm pointing out that they consider themselves Christians whether they are or not. I'm not a Christian and cannot make that sort of judgment.

 

[DiveCon]

When did I say otherwise?

then we agree
either those you claimed are apostate are muslims or the people you claimed were christians arent

I'm pointing out that they consider themselves Christians whether they are or not. I'm not a Christian and cannot make that sort of judgment.

you claimed people were apostate and not muslim because they were not following the teachings of the Koran
well, i can say those people doing the killing are not christians because they are not following the teachings in the bible

 

[Kalam]

then we agree
either those you claimed are apostate are muslims or the people you claimed were christians arent

I'm pointing out that they consider themselves Christians whether they are or not. I'm not a Christian and cannot make that sort of judgment.

you claimed people were apostate and not muslim because they were not following the teachings of the Koran
well, i can say those people doing the killing are not christians because they are not following the teachings in the bible

I've never denied this...

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Here is how I see it, you can do nothing good and well pleasing from or for God unless God is with you.
2. islam isn't with God, so thats why islam can do nothing good and well pleasing from or for God, because they have not of God anything.
3. This isn't rocket science folks.
4. Evil islam will preach evil and death, because there is no light in it.
5. And no life to promote Gods truths.
6. They only have to use what they can draw from, and seeing God, is not with islam, they have no other choice but to go with the, Devil, and evil teachings.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[haileydavey]

1. Yes and its almost as if the muslims shouldn't be over here in the first place as well,.....
2. Maybe if we agree to not go over there and help poor muslims with medical needs then all the muslims here in USA will go back to where they came from and stop dragging us down eh?

1. Since when did we start killing Muslims in the streets of America? Your analogy is ridiculous. Muslims have every right to be here as you do. It's the terrorists that are bad, not the Muslims.
2. Help poor muslims? He was an opthomologist!

I find it humorous that the best you got is a black and white picture of some KKK guy from decades ago. Of course theres always going to be a few bad seeds in every group, but Islam has literally millions of bad seeds. Theres a massive difference between christianity and Islam. If you are unable to recognize it, then your just a dumb fuck.

Oh, for the record im highly critical of all religions, because im an atheist, but i know that Islam is pure poison. Those people fucking suck, even the so called "peaceful" ones. If i had one wish, i would rid the world of every muslim. Wiping them out would instantly bring peace to the majority of the world.

Hey if you look closely there's color in the picture! The reason I chose that pictures specifically was for the large burning cross. I can find recent KKK pictures if you like, or you can just go to their website. Either way, your suggestion that Christian radical or terrorist groups are just a thing of the past is incorrect. Throughout history, Christianity has shown itself to be a similar origin or prejudice and terrorism, including but not limited to the inquisition and salem witch trials. Now another religion is doing something identical and somehow you forget the extremists of your own religion?

Let me know if you have questions.

Good to see you coming up with such recent events such as the Salem Witch trials or even the very recent inquisition. I am sure that if either of those would happen today that most Christians would just sit by and watch. Kind of like most Muslims just sit by and watch what is going on with radicals in their religion.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

there are no "Christians" doing those things

oh I see. because you said so?

So all the Muslims doing bad things are really Muslims, but all the Christians who do bad things aren't real Christians. Is that the double standard you're going for? Just checking to make sure I have your hypocrisy correct.

you should look at who i was responding to and learn what he has said

Oh you mean I should learn to sugar coat things so as not to bruise your ignorant ego as much? Because I made the exact same point as he did. You realize that, don't you?

Well of course you do! Otherwise you'd refute my point instead of whining about how I delivered it.

Blah blah blah, no, I have absolutely nothing upon which to base my ridiculous comparison.

Thank you.

Glad you admitted it.

And for the record, the Christian bible does not include in it directions for taking over the world violently. Nor does it justify murder and lying in order to reach that goal.

No, the Christian bible wants you to kill people for a great many other reasons. Quick Wikipedia search:
The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:
* Sex crimes, including adultery, male homosexual sex, bestiality (Leviticus 20) and rape (Deuteronomy 22)
o A betrothed woman who does not cry out while being raped (Deuteronomy 22:23-4)
o A woman who is found not to have been a virgin on the night of her wedding (Deuteronomy 22:13-22) (in Judaism, this is traditionally understood as referring to a woman who committed adultery while betrothed)
* Worshiping other gods (Deuteronomy 13:6-13:10, Exodus 22:20)
o Witchcraft (Exodus 22:18)
o Taking God's name in vain or cursing God's name (Leviticus 24:16)
* Cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15, 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, and in the New Testament Mark 7:10)
* Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)

Here's the same thing if you need it in cartoon format:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk]YouTube - Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions)[/ame]
start at 5:20

The lack of any sort of universal Muslim condemnation of acts of terror proves that Islamic extremism is not, in fact, extreme, but the accepted mode of worship and behavior.

Such actions are condemned. I've even posted links in this thread addressing that exact ignorant perception. Just because you either don't know about it or refuse to accept it doesn't mean it goes away. Sorry.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

1. Here is how I see it, you can do nothing good and well pleasing from or for God unless God is with you.
2. islam isn't with God, so thats why islam can do nothing good and well pleasing from or for God, because they have not of God anything.

Well, they are with god. Just not YOUR god. See you are still too blinded to understand the point of religion is to bring people closer to their own respective versions of god. You have yours. They have theirs. Other religions have their own as well.

And the truly amusing part of all these arguing groups is: they all claim that they know the REAL one, even though none of them have any evidence to support themselves in any way. It's like arguing over distant high school football teams who never play each other. "No, MY team is better! Hey let's go start a war because we disagree."

Good to see you coming up with such recent events such as the Salem Witch trials or even the very recent inquisition. I am sure that if either of those would happen today that most Christians would just sit by and watch. Kind of like most Muslims just sit by and watch what is going on with radicals in their religion.

Good to see you can't read the very next post, where I listed off a number of current Christian extremists and terrorist groups who you continue to ignore exists.

Yet again ignorant hicks such as yourselves seem to hold these blinded double standards, whereas you ignore all the extremist groups of your own religion because they're not trying to blow you up, and yet vehemently condemn extremist groups of other religions because they might be against you. Meanwhile, both groups have extremist terrorist organizations acting in the name of their religions, both historically and recently, and both groups have the majority of their religion disliking their actions. But in the eyes of an ignorant hick, only the other religion's extremists exist, and none of "them" are speaking out against it, while there are no extremist groups of their own religion, because too many people of their own religion speak out against it. Right.


Let me put this one in video format for you too:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VatPKqTgzh4[/ame]

 

[haileydavey]

what kind of help was an ophthalmologist there to offer? well besides the obvious of diagnosing and treating eye diseases, are you aware that most optical stores collect old eye glasses to distribute to organizations like this?

So you think this traveling group carried around with them piles of recycled eyewear? Let's be reasonable here. You find nothing strange with an opthomologist knowingly putting himself in harms way just to help people see? Sounds like he was trying to make a martyr of himself. Maybe you would have a similar argument if he was there to bring them arts and crafts instead?

Of all the things that are needed in that region, eye care is no where near the top of the list.

Name the last time a christian group killed 5 or more people in one attack. Hell, whens the last time a Christian group killed anyone at all in the name of god?

If the best you can come up with is some incident involving a random crazy guy that happens to be christian, then you have failed. Im talking about an organized group effort in the same way that all the other terrorists operate. If you cant give some good examples, then you will have thoroughly exposed yourself as the naive dumbfuck we all think you are.

Scott Roeder murdered an abortionist last year based on his Christian beliefs
Army of God
Hutaree
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
National Liberation Front of Tripura
National Socialist Council of Nagaland
Aryan Republican Army
Phineas Priesthood

Even Fox News reports on this stuff just months ago - you should be well informed!

These are extremist groups associated with murders, bombings, and other terrorist acts in the name of Christianity, both domestic and abroad. It must be nice living in your obliviously ignorant little bubble. Christianity has historically been the origin of many terrorist organizations, and continues to do so today as well. But let's face it: you don't care about them because those groups are "different". They're not REAL Christians, right? That's how you're justifying it, isn't it?

Perhaps you should do some reading and then come back to this thread.

This is your example. You are comparing this to Radical Muslims. Seriously!!!! They are closely monitored by our alphabet organizations. They are also protected under the 1st amendment until the commit the terrorist acts. Once they do if the are not killed in the process they are punished to the utmost allowed by law.

The main difference is they are not paraded around and treated as heroes when they commit the terrorist acts. It is quickly pointed out that this is not the way for Christians to act and they try to separate most Christians from this type of belief. They do not condone the act and make up excuses for the behavior and Christians are the ones who usually administer the punishment. I seldom see if ever Muslims dispensing punishment to Radical Muslims for acts of terrorism.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

This is your example. You are comparing this to Radical Muslims. Seriously!!!! They are closely monitored by our alphabet organizations. They are also protected under the 1st amendment until the commit the terrorist acts. Once they do if the are not killed in the process they are punished to the utmost allowed by law.

The main difference is they are not paraded around and treated as heroes when they commit the terrorist acts. It is quickly pointed out that this is not the way for Christians to act and they try to separate most Christians from this type of belief. They do not condone the act and make up excuses for the behavior and Christians are the ones who usually administer the punishment. I seldom see if ever Muslims dispensing punishment to Radical Muslims for acts of terrorism.

These are radical Christians. Seriously. The ones who are not in the US are not monitored by our alphabet organizations any more than any other radical group, and they do attempt terrorist acts and are taken down accordingly.

They are exalted by similarly minded extremists in their communities, just as extremist Muslims are exalted by similarly minded extremists. That's how these things work. You are correct in stating that such extremism is not the way for people, not Christians, but all people to act. But you are in no place to say "they aren't REAL Christians" just as you are in no place to say "but those Muslims are REAL Muslims". Avoid the double standard, please.

Your last sentence hits the nail on the head, except you can just stop it after "I seldom see", as it's clear to me you do NOT see ANYTHING regarding Muslims enforcing punishment against terrorism. Again, had you taken the minuscule amount of time to actually read the article that started this very thread, you would have seen how local Muslim law enforcement offered to protect the aid group AGAINST the extremists who share their religion. "You seldom see" is right. It helps to open your eyes.

 

[Samson]

I see no connection between those two discussions.

if you can declare that some muslims doing bad things are apostate and not muslim, then i can say the same thing about so called "christians' doing bad things

When did I say otherwise?

Post 134 of this thread.

 

[WillowTree]

you think this is "upset" doyareally? you are a hick but not smarter,, that's for sure.

well, you seem to be responding to my every post and repping me at every opportunity. These are indicative of you following me, which means you either really like me, or your panties are in a bunch. Based on the negative retorts that generally have nothing to do with the actual topic at hand, I'd guess you're all huffy.

Yes, just like Christianity is a peaceful religion.

You who is incapable of distinguishing radical extremists from the religions they associate with need to learn a bit about history before bashing an entire religion. Leave your prejudice at the door, for your religion is no better.

You're a piece of shit if you can't distinguish between slaughtering medical missionaries, who bring medicine to the destitute and primitive people of Afghanistan, and the fucking terrorists, who get hardons by robbing, torturing, terrorizing, and butchering their own people as well as anyone else who they feel moved to torment.

So please tell me...where currently are bands of Christian missionaries raping, torturing, killing, and robbing people?

I'll wait, you anti-American, anti-Christian, piece of filth.

Perhaps you missed the point whereby I compared extremist terrorists in one religious group, such as the Talliban, to extremist terrorists in another religion, such as the KKK. No where in my post did I compare religious fanatics to medical missionaries.

Perhaps if you spent less time being an oversensitive ignorant hick using blind rage instead of actually reading posts, you might be able to add something intelligent to the conversation.

So allow me to summarize in simple analogy. Taliban is to Islam, as KKK is to Christianity. Are all Muslims terrorists? Well, are all Christians ignorant bigots. Perhaps this is the wrong thread to ask that last one...

Good luck with that reading thing in the future.

You have my permission to post every single REP I've ever given you. Go ahead and show the folks what a fucking liar you are. Asswipe.

 

[Samson]

The lack of any sort of universal Muslim condemnation of acts of terror proves that Islamic extremism is not, in fact, extreme, but the accepted mode of worship and behavior.

Such actions are condemned. I've even posted links in this thread addressing that exact ignorant perception. Just because you either don't know about it or refuse to accept it doesn't mean it goes away. Sorry.

Did anyone find ANY Islamic condemnation Specifically for the murders the Taliban committed about which THIS THREAD addresses?

Maybe even an OpEd article in the national newspaper of Turkey, Syria, Egypt, SA, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Algeria, Yemen, Morocco, Oman, Iran, Pakistan????

 

[Samson]

You have my permission to post every single REP I've ever given you. Go ahead and show the folks what a fucking liar you are. Asswipe.

That's not a very Christian thing to say on this fine Sunday Morning, willow....

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Here is how I see it, you can do nothing good and well pleasing from or for God unless God is with you.
2. islam isn't with God, so thats why islam can do nothing good and well pleasing from or for God, because they have not of God anything.

Well, they are with god. Just not YOUR god. See you are still too blinded to understand the point of religion is to bring people closer to their own respective versions of god. You have yours. They have theirs. Other religions have their own as well.

And the truly amusing part of all these arguing groups is: they all claim that they know the REAL one, even though none of them have any evidence to support themselves in any way. It's like arguing over distant high school football teams who never play each other. "No, MY team is better! Hey let's go start a war because we disagree."

1. Yes ofcourse their god is Satan, and they have to know this.
2. Satan is tricky but not that tricky to fool all those people all the time, some people escape from islam, good for them.
3. You see, the arabs were always set to be outside of Gods domain.
4. Seeing ishmael was born of a slave women, and outside of Gods promise: to haggar, God had no actual need for those whom came from ishmael, or how can I say it,..... ishmael should of never been born, having already promised Abraham a progeny from Sarah, who was Isaac.
5. Gods promise was that Abraham would have a son, and Satan sneaked in this son ishmael, through the temptation of Sarah, usurping Gods first born reality; through Sarah's, lack of faith in God, for she was barren, and sent Abraham into haggar to birth her a son.
5. (a) Satan thought that would float like using Abraham like a stud bull in a herd.
6. Isn't it strange that ishmael is the favorite in the muslim texts having been concocked some 1900 years later in time?
7. To islam ishmael holds the promise.
8. Most people just don't know just how fooled muslims truly are, also those not in islam, those out; even most Christians, have no clue as to what and where islam came from, what it stands for, and how its designed to replace the Torah / Christian Bible, its truly amazing to me.
9. For we Christians hold the Torah in the very highest regard, seeing its in our Bible, or teachings.
10. islam will be destroyed totally, if not by mankind, God will in the end do it himself, for islams koran, is nothing but a, non religious script to take over the world, that is founded on Satans deceptions; and in the future, what God will someday build; here on earth, will be built on total truths and for the *People of the Promise* Jews and Gentiles alike.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas