Zone1 Is the Father Greater than Jesus?

[onefour1]

In the New Testament in John 14:28 Jesus teaches us that the Father is greater than himself. How many believe these words of Jesus?

John 14:28
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

 

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this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

 

[onefour1]

this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

So what is your vote in the poll?

 

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So what is your vote in the poll?

I just provided it.

 

[onefour1]

I just provided it.

Sounds like a "NO" to me

 

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Sounds like a "NO" to me

Not at all. It's a complicated phenomenon that requires a complicated explanation.

 

[onefour1]

Bart Ehrman gives a good summary on the origin of the belief of the Trinity in the following video (you only need watch the first 28 minutes to get his summary). Apparently this teaching did not come by revelation of God but by the decisions of councils of men.

 

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Bart Ehrman gives a good summary on the origin of the belief of the Trinity in the following video (you only need watch the first 28 minutes to get his summary). Apparently this teaching did not come by revelation of God but by the decisions of councils of men.

Tell Bart that I said that the Trinity is not a mystery to be solved but a relationship to be entered into.

 

[The Duke]

In the New Testament in John 14:28 Jesus teaches us that the Father is greater than himself. How many believe these words of Jesus?

John 14:28
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

What kind of moron is so out touch with how things work and asks stupid questions like this, hmm?

Apparently OP. Moron confirmed.

Yeah, the Father is greater than Jesus's cousin John and him. Any other silly questions?

 

[The Duke]

Okay, OP. Anything you'd like to add?

Why is God not greater than his son and nephew, hmm?

I'm of the opinion he is.

 

[onefour1]

Okay, OP. Anything you'd like to add?

Why is God not greater than his son and nephew, hmm?

I'm of the opinion he is.

Your assumption is incorrect. Check the votes and you will see my vote. Why didn't you vote then?

 

[The Duke]

Your assumption is incorrect. Check the votes and you will see my vote. Why didn't you vote then?

It's no assumption, and I know I'm correct, boy.

 

[onefour1]

It's no assumption, and I know I'm correct, boy.

Then why in one of your post did you put:

"
Okay, OP. Anything you'd like to add?

Why is God not greater than his son and nephew, hmm?

I'm of the opinion he is."

Seems like you doubt that I believe that the Father is greater than Jesus. Why if I voted that he is? If you agree, then why the hostility? And why don't you cast your vote?

 

[The Duke]

Then why in one of your post did you put:

"
Okay, OP. Anything you'd like to add?

Why is God not greater than his son and nephew, hmm?

I'm of the opinion he is."

Seems like you doubt that I believe that the Father is greater than Jesus. Why if I voted that he is? If you agree, then why the hostility? And why don't you cast your vote?

I've made my opinion known

 

[onefour1]

I'm not a Bart Ehrman fan but I think he covered the origin of the Trinity belief pretty fairly.

 

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I'm not a Bart Ehrman fan but I think he covered the origin of the Trinity belief pretty fairly.

I like this one better. It's entertaining, funny and informative.

 

[The Duke]

I like this one better. It's entertaining, funny and informative.

Alright dingus, I better not regret this, or I'll gitcha.

Ohh..consider yourself marked.

 

[onefour1]

I've made my opinion known

Why the reluctance to vote in the poll?

 

[ding]

Alright dingus, I better not regret this, or I'll gitcha.

It's worth it.

 

[onefour1]

5 votes out of 93 views. A low turn out for the vote.