Zelensky challenges Trump to release plan to end Ukraine war with Russia

[Lesh]

Ok. I’m nit willing to fund the killing of people for no reason. I guess that’s just where you and I differ. At this point that’s all we are doing.

So you want to surrender someone else’s country to an aggressor

What gives you that right?

 

[Concerned American]

Ok. I’m nit willing to fund the killing of people for no reason. I guess that’s just where you and I differ. At this point that’s all we are doing.

Let that useless coward show his commitment and grab a gun and go support them--better yet, send his son or daughter over there.

 

[Couchpotato]

So you want to surrender someone else’s country to an aggressor

What gives you that right?

I never said they couldn’t keep fighting. We are not obligated to fund it are we?

 

[Lesh]

I never said they couldn’t keep fighting. We are not obligated to fund it are we?

They need help. Why would you deny that?

 

[MagicMike]

Since the break up of the Soviet Union how far west has Russia pushed its border prior to the current conflict? Now what about NATO? Mind you in 91 NATO’s eastern border was W Germany. If Russia and China started a military alliance in SA and slowly crept north through Central America when they started inducting Mexico do you think DC woukd see that as a threat?

Nato does not expand national borders.
Nato is not a country and it has no international border of it's own to expand.
It is a coalition...an umbrella of protection that member nations can count on.
Sure, national entities joining Nato does expand the coalition and broaden the umbrella but you cannot compare that to illegally encroaching upon another nation's sovereign terrain...say like Hitler did in Poland and France, and Putin has done in Ukraine.

 

[toobfreak]

Putin is taking Trump seriously -

So, essentially, it is already a done deal: Biden dragged us into a multi-year 200 billion dollar endless war with no plans whatsoever to ever end it, and Trump is all but certain to surely end it, maybe one of the very first things he does once back in office.

 

[jknowgood]

Trump is the only one that claimed to be able to end it in a single day.



You are correct it is, he will bow down to Putin and say "it is all yours master"

There would be no war if Trump was still president.

 

[toobfreak]

Of course not. The corrupt piece of shit is happy to suck off of the American taxpayers.

In what--- 2.5 years--- I have never once heard Diaper Joe even once mention, suggest or talk about ANY plan, desire nor wish to even try to seek a RESOLUTION of the Ukraine war save for some fantasy dream that he was going to wear Putin down to a nub, bankrupt and destroy the Russian Empire, taking us right down the rabbit hole with him.

Instead, all Joe has done is drive a number of major nations to abandon the Dollar as their trading currency.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Zelensky, the unelected dictator, is worried that when Trump becomes president. He will cut off the free money scam and Zelensky will have flee Ukraine as a fugitive criminal.

I think Biden is probably most worried. My theory is that zelensky has some dirt on Biden, probably over the burisma deal, but also some money laundering, and bidens “payment” for Zelenskyy silence is funding his war effort against with Russia.

There has just been too much going on around Ukraine for this all to be a coincidence. First the burisma scandal and getting the prosecutor fired, followed shortly by the US getting involved with this Russia war. Too coincidental.

 

[AntonToo]

Funny that he hasn't asked Biden for his plan to end the war?

Because he knows Biden’s plan is to support Ukraine’s plan to rid his country of the invaders and reclaim their territories. Duh.

He doesn’t know of any realistic “quick peace” means aside from capitulation to Russian demands, so he is pushing Trump to say it out loud.

 

[Marener]

In what--- 2.5 years--- I have never once heard Diaper Joe even once mention, suggest or talk about ANY plan, desire nor wish to even try to seek a RESOLUTION of the Ukraine war save for some fantasy dream that he was going to wear Putin down to a nub, bankrupt and destroy the Russian Empire, taking us right down the rabbit hole with him.

Instead, all Joe has done is drive a number of major nations to abandon the Dollar as their trading currency.

The plan to end the war is to keep funding the Ukrainian military until Russia loses the will to fight and goes home.

Seems like a reasonable plan.

What’s Trump’s plan? Surrender ?

 

[AntonToo]

Just ask the Kurds---- you can count on the USA, until we split in the middle of the night and leave you holding the bag, just so long as our military complex gets filthy rich in the process.

Trump personally backstabbed Kurds because he had financial entanglements with Erduan.

Do you give a shit? Nope.

 

[Marener]

I think Biden is probably most worried. My theory is that zelensky has some dirt on Biden, probably over the burisma deal, but also some money laundering, and bidens “payment” for Zelenskyy silence is funding his war effort against with Russia.

There has just been too much going on around Ukraine for this all to be a coincidence. First the burisma scandal and getting the prosecutor fired, followed shortly by the US getting involved with this Russia war. Too coincidental.

It’s always a goddamn conspiracy with you people.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It’s always a goddamn conspiracy with you people.

As i said, it is just a theory. Do you have another plausible explanation of how we just happened to get saddled into a proxy war with russia, via funding to Ukraine, after all the strange things surrounding Biden, Hunter, burisma, and Ukraine?

 

[Marener]

As i said, it is just a theory. Do you have another plausible explanation of how we just happened to get saddled into a proxy war with russia, via funding to Ukraine, after all the strange things surrounding Biden, Hunter, burisma, and Ukraine?

Because the US opposes countries that invade other countries for no justifiable reason other than to annex them against their will.

It’s a bipartisan issue.

 

[AntonToo]

Because the US opposes countries that invade other countries for no justifiable reason other than to annex them against their will.

It’s a bipartisan issue.

More broadly we support the concept of International Law, adherence to which helps ensure long term peace and stability.

 

[Couchpotato]

Nato does not expand national borders.
Nato is not a country and it has no international border of it's own to expand.
It is a coalition...an umbrella of protection that member nations can count on.
Sure, national entities joining Nato does expand the coalition and broaden the umbrella but you cannot compare that to illegally encroaching upon another nation's sovereign terrain...say like Hitler did in Poland and France, and Putin has done in Ukraine.

Technically you are correct, but we put weapons pointed at Russia in those countries. We station troops there, train them, arm them etc, and we have continuously moved NATO closer and closer to the Russian border, and Russia has FOR DECADES told us that they perceive it as a threat and that the reddest of red lines would be putting Ukraine into NATO. So when the elected government of Ukraine was against entering NATO, and the public polls in Ukraine were against entering NATO, we ran a coup and put in someone who would support entry and sway public opinion in that direction, and still Russia basically did nothing. Then as Russia put troops on the border of the 2 countries Putin told the head of NATO that if they would give Russia written assurance that NATO would not induct Ukraine into the alliance he would pull back. And we told him to **** off. Then acted shocked and appalled when Russia invaded. That doesnt excuse Russia from what they have done. It doenst make it ok, but acting like we (the US and NATO) havent been doing things that we should have known would lead to this is insanity. Seriously, if Russia/China ran a coup in Mexico, installed a pro Russian/Chinese government and then held talks with them about entering into a military alliance with them to stop "US aggression", where the Russians and Chinese would put troops in Mexico, station missiles there, give the Mexicans armaments, etc, all the things NATO does what do you think the reaction from Washington would be? Was JFK wrong to threaten to literally blow up the planet over the Russian alliance with Cuba and them putting missiles there? We ran an embargo against Cuba for over half a century because of that, doesnt Cuba have the same right of self-determination as Ukraine? Would Mexico if they participated in the above hypothetical?

All that aside we are where we are right now and continuing to fund this war makes no sense. Certainly not from a US interests' perspective. The narrative that Russia is unable to take over Ukraine because we sending them money and limited armaments but would be able to conquer all of Europe if left unchecked is just stupid on it's face. Ukraine's population is 38 million, they have no air force, navy, or ability to punish Russia for invading, they can only defend in place and have with the help of our money and limited arms done so admirably, and the Russians are basically stalled in place (as are the Ukrainians). The combined population of NATO countries is 603 million people. We would have air, and naval superiority, and the ability take the fight to Russia and not just defend in place. Russia knows this. Russia isn't invading Europe. It's a stupid argument to make and anyone making it is either lying or a moron.

 

[Couchpotato]

They need help. Why would you deny that?

Because we would only be "helping" them kill more people on both sides. That's it. At this point in time they have no ability to push Russia out of Ukraine so now is the time for a negotiated peace.

 

[Lesh]

Because we would only be "helping" them kill more people on both sides. That's it. At this point in time they have no ability to push Russia out of Ukraine so now is the time for a negotiated peace.

You know this how? Are you a professor of military arts?

They’re being invaded. As long as they are willing to fight we should be willing to help them.

 

[Thinker101]

Funny that he hasn't asked Biden for his plan to end the war?

Offhand, I'd say that Trump's plan for ending the war is simple: stop funding it and let Zelenskyy fight his own battles himself. If his neighbors want to chip in, that is their business.

Then I'd guess Trump would either expect repayment of all we've loaned him or we take over the land for ourselves.

MSN

How about Zelenskyy release his plan on how he's going to pay back the U.S.