YUGE WINNING! Obama's Un-American Mandate Repealed...

[JoeB131]

None of that justifies the Government fining and imprisoning Citizens for not having health insurance. The Mandate an awful Big Government abuse of power. It's Government bullying at its worst. It should have never been allowed to happen.

Right. You are going back there and claiming people are being locked up for not having insurance, after admitting no one has been. I thought we were making progress, buddy.

The Mandate was a Republican Idea. Personally, I liked the Idea Hillary had. If your employer doesn't offer insurance, you can sign up for the Public Option,and if you don't offer your employees insurance, you pay an extra tax to fund it.

But Republicans didn't want that. They came up with making everyone buy insurance and then having a "mandate". Mitt Romney put it into action in MA and called it a model for the whole country. If he had won in 2008, we'd have had it and you wingnuts would be all for it.

But one the black guy did it OH MY GOD THE KENYAN IS IMPOSING SOCIALISM ON US!!!!

 

[JoeB131]

So you see, it's hopeless. Not many middle-class people can live on only 3/4 of their net pay. But then again, it was never designed for the middle-class. It was designed for McDonald's workers, floor sweepers and shelf stockers, because people who have those kinds of jobs normally vote Democrat.

So why do you insist on paying them so low that they vote Democratic? You see, this is where you guys are kind of self-defeating. You make people who work for a living dependent on government, and then you complain when they vote for - wait for it - MORE GOVERNMENT.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you see, it's hopeless. Not many middle-class people can live on only 3/4 of their net pay. But then again, it was never designed for the middle-class. It was designed for McDonald's workers, floor sweepers and shelf stockers, because people who have those kinds of jobs normally vote Democrat.

So why do you insist on paying them so low that they vote Democratic? You see, this is where you guys are kind of self-defeating. You make people who work for a living dependent on government, and then you complain when they vote for - wait for it - MORE GOVERNMENT.

The only thing we insist upon is government not dictating what employers have to pay their employees. But you summed it up pretty good Joe, Democrats buy votes by giving people things.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

None of that justifies the Government fining and imprisoning Citizens for not having health insurance. The Mandate an awful Big Government abuse of power. It's Government bullying at its worst. It should have never been allowed to happen.

Right. You are going back there and claiming people are being locked up for not having insurance, after admitting no one has been. I thought we were making progress, buddy.

The Mandate was a Republican Idea. Personally, I liked the Idea Hillary had. If your employer doesn't offer insurance, you can sign up for the Public Option,and if you don't offer your employees insurance, you pay an extra tax to fund it.

But Republicans didn't want that. They came up with making everyone buy insurance and then having a "mandate". Mitt Romney put it into action in MA and called it a model for the whole country. If he had won in 2008, we'd have had it and you wingnuts would be all for it.

But one the black guy did it OH MY GOD THE KENYAN IS IMPOSING SOCIALISM ON US!!!!

Geez you leftists can't stop lying, can you? One more time: Republicans had nothing.......NOTHING to do with Commie Care. We didn't want it, we were against it from day one, and not one Republican voted it in.

 

[Moonglow]

Finally a US Congressional achievement i can celebrate. The Mandate is gone. It should have never been allowed to happen. So i have to congratulate and thank the GOP and President Trump bigtime. They ended the Mandate and got some Tax Reform done. A Yuge accomplishment.


Senate GOP repeals ObamaCare Mandate

Senate Republicans have approved the repeal of ObamaCare’s individual mandate as part of their tax-cut bill, a major step toward ending an unpopular part of the health-care law.

“Families ought to be able to make decisions about what they want to buy and what works for them — not the government,” Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) said, hailing the accomplishment.

The Senate tax bill must still be reconciled with House legislation that does not include the mandate’s repeal. But that is unlikely to be a major issue, given support in the GOP conference for repealing the mandate.

Repealing the mandate also saves $300 billion over ten years...

Senate GOP repeals ObamaCare mandate
DRUDGE REPORT 2018®

Still not officially repealed..

 

[JoeB131]

The only thing we insist upon is government not dictating what employers have to pay their employees. But you summed it up pretty good Joe, Democrats buy votes by giving people things.

So do Republicans. They give rich people huge tax cuts and corporate welfare.

Geez you leftists can't stop lying, can you? One more time: Republicans had nothing.......NOTHING to do with Commie Care. We didn't want it, we were against it from day one, and not one Republican voted it in.

So you like to pretend the whole RomneyCare wasn't a thing.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So do Republicans. They give rich people huge tax cuts and corporate welfare.

No, last time they addressed taxes on the wealthy, Republicans increased them.

Letting people keep their own money is not welfare. It's a term liberals use because they believe all money rightfully belongs to Big Brother, and whatever he allows you to keep is a gift from government to you.

So you like to pretend the whole RomneyCare wasn't a thing.

Romney was the governor of the most liberal state in our country. He gave them what they wanted. Not once did he ever say (while running for President) he supported Commie Care or even hinted at Romney Care. His stance was he opposed it and called it a jobs killer.

 

[debbiedowner]

Not sure how that works, because most of teh O-Care plans are pretty reasonable...

I think you probably didn't even try because you'd just hate to thank the black guy for anything.

How do you think I DO know that?

That's the quote they gave me last year when I applied. Even the government worker admitted she couldn't afford the price she gave me, and she works for the government.

But it was a great plan. It came with a 7K out of pocket, 7K deductible, no prescriptions, no dental, no eye care, and a $50.00 doctor visit copay. So unless I have plans on walking out in front of a moving bus, the plan is worthless.

One of my coworkers is on Commie Care. The same plan he was paying $450.00 a month last year went up to $600.00 as of January.

I think at one time you said you were an independent truck driver and also owned rental units if this is so you need a new accountant and another mistake you made was calling the government, those people do not care or will take the time to advise you, they know nothing about insurance, networks or co pays and they are not licensed insurance agents. If you are independent several ways to lower your gross income, they figure your subsidy on modified adjusted gross. You could said up a traditional IRA (tax deduction) purchase an HSA compatible plan and set up HSA (tax deduction) and so on. I have several self employed individuals that make at least $100,000 a year and after all deductions fall under 400% of poverty level and get a subsidy to purchase health insurance.

Remember those clowns at the marketplace (healthcare.gov) are hourly workers, not insurance agents and could care less about you. Oh and talk to your accountant, if they don't know how lower your gross then find another one.

No, I am not an independent driver, I work for a very small company.

Yes, I am a landlord and I do have a lot of deductions. But what they base my income on is after deductions between my rental properties and my earnings at work.

I spoke with a personal friend who is an insurance agent. She was the one who advised me to call Commie Care because I have preexisting conditions. According to her, whether the network is in or not involved in Commie Care it doesn't matter, everybody is affected by it.

Bottom line is that no insurance company would sell me insurance except through Commie Care because for those who participate in the plan, it's the law that they have to sell me insurance.

So I went to the Commie Care site and punched in my criteria myself and found the same thing the government worker told me.

So you see, it's hopeless. Not many middle-class people can live on only 3/4 of their net pay. But then again, it was never designed for the middle-class. It was designed for McDonald's workers, floor sweepers and shelf stockers, because people who have those kinds of jobs normally vote Democrat.

If your personal friend sold health insurance she should have helped you. There is no pre x on or off exchange in a compliant plan.

That's what I thought, but those rules only apply to companies that participate in Commie Care.

No Ray you have misled by someone the rules ACA commie care or whatever you want to call it apply to everyone, NO PRE EXISTING.

 

[debbiedowner]

You're exempt from the requirement if the most inexpensive coverage you can find would cost you more than 8.16% of your2017 household income.

Shhhh... don't tell Ray that. He's too busy hating the black guy for ruining his life.

I think at one time you said you were an independent truck driver and also owned rental units if this is so you need a new accountant and another mistake you made was calling the government, those people do not care or will take the time to advise you, they know nothing about insurance, networks or co pays and they are not licensed insurance agents. If you are independent several ways to lower your gross income, they figure your subsidy on modified adjusted gross. You could said up a traditional IRA (tax deduction) purchase an HSA compatible plan and set up HSA (tax deduction) and so on. I have several self employed individuals that make at least $100,000 a year and after all deductions fall under 400% of poverty level and get a subsidy to purchase health insurance.

Remember those clowns at the marketplace (healthcare.gov) are hourly workers, not insurance agents and could care less about you. Oh and talk to your accountant, if they don't know how lower your gross then find another one.

Yeah, a lot of ray's story doesn't add up.

I do believe you're right or someone really fed him a line of crap and misinformation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How do you think I DO know that?

That's the quote they gave me last year when I applied. Even the government worker admitted she couldn't afford the price she gave me, and she works for the government.

But it was a great plan. It came with a 7K out of pocket, 7K deductible, no prescriptions, no dental, no eye care, and a $50.00 doctor visit copay. So unless I have plans on walking out in front of a moving bus, the plan is worthless.

One of my coworkers is on Commie Care. The same plan he was paying $450.00 a month last year went up to $600.00 as of January.

I think at one time you said you were an independent truck driver and also owned rental units if this is so you need a new accountant and another mistake you made was calling the government, those people do not care or will take the time to advise you, they know nothing about insurance, networks or co pays and they are not licensed insurance agents. If you are independent several ways to lower your gross income, they figure your subsidy on modified adjusted gross. You could said up a traditional IRA (tax deduction) purchase an HSA compatible plan and set up HSA (tax deduction) and so on. I have several self employed individuals that make at least $100,000 a year and after all deductions fall under 400% of poverty level and get a subsidy to purchase health insurance.

Remember those clowns at the marketplace (healthcare.gov) are hourly workers, not insurance agents and could care less about you. Oh and talk to your accountant, if they don't know how lower your gross then find another one.

No, I am not an independent driver, I work for a very small company.

Yes, I am a landlord and I do have a lot of deductions. But what they base my income on is after deductions between my rental properties and my earnings at work.

I spoke with a personal friend who is an insurance agent. She was the one who advised me to call Commie Care because I have preexisting conditions. According to her, whether the network is in or not involved in Commie Care it doesn't matter, everybody is affected by it.

Bottom line is that no insurance company would sell me insurance except through Commie Care because for those who participate in the plan, it's the law that they have to sell me insurance.

So I went to the Commie Care site and punched in my criteria myself and found the same thing the government worker told me.

So you see, it's hopeless. Not many middle-class people can live on only 3/4 of their net pay. But then again, it was never designed for the middle-class. It was designed for McDonald's workers, floor sweepers and shelf stockers, because people who have those kinds of jobs normally vote Democrat.

If your personal friend sold health insurance she should have helped you. There is no pre x on or off exchange in a compliant plan.

That's what I thought, but those rules only apply to companies that participate in Commie Care.

No Ray you have misled by someone the rules ACA commie care or whatever you want to call it apply to everyone, NO PRE EXISTING.

No, they do not. That's why they have an enrollment period. In other words I can't call any insurer in June and ask for coverage with my preexisting conditions. They will refuse me. The only way to get coverage is through the marketplace during a specific period of time. After that, you cannot get insurance with or without ObamaCare.

The only insurers to offer preexisting coverage during the enrollment period are those companies that are part of Obama Care.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

JoeB131 is such a classic liberal.

Lying comes as naturally for them as telling the truth for Conservatives.

Did you see how he just makes garbage up as he goes? Does he really believe his garbage or is he just that delusional?

 

[debbiedowner]

I think at one time you said you were an independent truck driver and also owned rental units if this is so you need a new accountant and another mistake you made was calling the government, those people do not care or will take the time to advise you, they know nothing about insurance, networks or co pays and they are not licensed insurance agents. If you are independent several ways to lower your gross income, they figure your subsidy on modified adjusted gross. You could said up a traditional IRA (tax deduction) purchase an HSA compatible plan and set up HSA (tax deduction) and so on. I have several self employed individuals that make at least $100,000 a year and after all deductions fall under 400% of poverty level and get a subsidy to purchase health insurance.

Remember those clowns at the marketplace (healthcare.gov) are hourly workers, not insurance agents and could care less about you. Oh and talk to your accountant, if they don't know how lower your gross then find another one.

No, I am not an independent driver, I work for a very small company.

Yes, I am a landlord and I do have a lot of deductions. But what they base my income on is after deductions between my rental properties and my earnings at work.

I spoke with a personal friend who is an insurance agent. She was the one who advised me to call Commie Care because I have preexisting conditions. According to her, whether the network is in or not involved in Commie Care it doesn't matter, everybody is affected by it.

Bottom line is that no insurance company would sell me insurance except through Commie Care because for those who participate in the plan, it's the law that they have to sell me insurance.

So I went to the Commie Care site and punched in my criteria myself and found the same thing the government worker told me.

So you see, it's hopeless. Not many middle-class people can live on only 3/4 of their net pay. But then again, it was never designed for the middle-class. It was designed for McDonald's workers, floor sweepers and shelf stockers, because people who have those kinds of jobs normally vote Democrat.

If your personal friend sold health insurance she should have helped you. There is no pre x on or off exchange in a compliant plan.

That's what I thought, but those rules only apply to companies that participate in Commie Care.

No Ray you have misled by someone the rules ACA commie care or whatever you want to call it apply to everyone, NO PRE EXISTING.

No, they do not. That's why they have an enrollment period. In other words I can't call any insurer in June and ask for coverage with my preexisting conditions. They will refuse me. The only way to get coverage is through the marketplace during a specific period of time. After that, you cannot get insurance with or without ObamaCare.

The only insurers to offer preexisting coverage during the enrollment period are those companies that are part of Obama Care.

Well, you did not say all that, but the only insurers that are compliant with the law abide by the open enrollment period. You seem to think that you have to go to their website during open enrollment to get a plan, well you do if you are receiving a subsidy, but otherwise, you can buy directly from the insurance company and pay full price during open enrollment. Does your employer offer coverage?

 

[debbiedowner]

I think at one time you said you were an independent truck driver and also owned rental units if this is so you need a new accountant and another mistake you made was calling the government, those people do not care or will take the time to advise you, they know nothing about insurance, networks or co pays and they are not licensed insurance agents. If you are independent several ways to lower your gross income, they figure your subsidy on modified adjusted gross. You could said up a traditional IRA (tax deduction) purchase an HSA compatible plan and set up HSA (tax deduction) and so on. I have several self employed individuals that make at least $100,000 a year and after all deductions fall under 400% of poverty level and get a subsidy to purchase health insurance.

Remember those clowns at the marketplace (healthcare.gov) are hourly workers, not insurance agents and could care less about you. Oh and talk to your accountant, if they don't know how lower your gross then find another one.

No, I am not an independent driver, I work for a very small company.

Yes, I am a landlord and I do have a lot of deductions. But what they base my income on is after deductions between my rental properties and my earnings at work.

I spoke with a personal friend who is an insurance agent. She was the one who advised me to call Commie Care because I have preexisting conditions. According to her, whether the network is in or not involved in Commie Care it doesn't matter, everybody is affected by it.

Bottom line is that no insurance company would sell me insurance except through Commie Care because for those who participate in the plan, it's the law that they have to sell me insurance.

So I went to the Commie Care site and punched in my criteria myself and found the same thing the government worker told me.

So you see, it's hopeless. Not many middle-class people can live on only 3/4 of their net pay. But then again, it was never designed for the middle-class. It was designed for McDonald's workers, floor sweepers and shelf stockers, because people who have those kinds of jobs normally vote Democrat.

If your personal friend sold health insurance she should have helped you. There is no pre x on or off exchange in a compliant plan.

That's what I thought, but those rules only apply to companies that participate in Commie Care.

No Ray you have misled by someone the rules ACA commie care or whatever you want to call it apply to everyone, NO PRE EXISTING.

No, they do not. That's why they have an enrollment period. In other words I can't call any insurer in June and ask for coverage with my preexisting conditions. They will refuse me. The only way to get coverage is through the marketplace during a specific period of time. After that, you cannot get insurance with or without ObamaCare.

The only insurers to offer preexisting coverage during the enrollment period are those companies that are part of Obama Care.

Companies are not part of obamacare they are compliant. There are no government plans.

 

[JoeB131]

No, last time they addressed taxes on the wealthy, Republicans increased them.

Not really... but you keep telling yourself that.

Letting people keep their own money is not welfare. It's a term liberals use because they believe all money rightfully belongs to Big Brother, and whatever he allows you to keep is a gift from government to you.

Um, the currency is published and created by the government, so technically it does belong to them. It's actually a crime to burn the currency.

So when your boss steals your health insurance, you can be assured that the government will let him keep that money... isn't htat awesome!

Romney was the governor of the most liberal state in our country. He gave them what they wanted. Not once did he ever say (while running for President) he supported Commie Care or even hinted at Romney Care. His stance was he opposed it and called it a jobs killer.

Actually, when he ran in 2008, he specifically called RomneyCare a model for the country.

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131 is such a classic liberal.

Lying comes as naturally for them as telling the truth for Conservatives.

Did you see how he just makes garbage up as he goes? Does he really believe his garbage or is he just that delusional?

duly noted you were really unable to refute anything I said.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not really... but you keep telling yourself that.

FULL ANSWER

We started getting dozens of queries about this one about three weeks before tax filing day. It’s nonsense. Some of these figures aren’t accurate, and none of these increases took effect on Jan. 1, 2014, or had anything to do with the Affordable Care Act. And the claim that “not one Republican voted to do these” is false.

Here’s what really happened, and when:

• The top income tax rate went back up to 39.6 percent over a year ago — for singles making more than $400,000 a year or couples making more than $450,000. The increase was part of the “fiscal cliff” package that Congress passed on New Year’s Day of 2013.
• Capital gains rates also increased in 2013 under the same “fiscal cliff” deal — but not nearly as much as this email claims. For long-term gains (on assets held more than one year) the top rate went from 15 percent to 20 percent (not 28 percent), and also applied to individuals making more than $400,000 and couples earning more than $450,000.
• The top rate for dividends also went up to 20 percent (not 39.6 percent) in 2013 as part of the same fiscal cliff package, and also only for those with more than $400,000 individual or $450,000 joint taxable income.
• It’s true that the estate tax was once effectively zero percent — but only for people who died in 2010, not last year. The top rate went back up to 35 percent for those who died the following year, and (under the fiscal cliff deal) to 40 percent for those who died in 2012 and thereafter. Furthermore, the rate is still zero percent for any individual who dies this year and whose estate is valued at less than $5,340,000. The threshold for filing an estate-tax return was set at $5 million in 2011, and is indexed for inflation each year.
• The claim that the fiscal-cliff tax increases were “passed with only Democratic votes” is false. The deal passed by a vote of 89-8 in the Senate (including 40 Republican votes in favor) and by a vote of 257-167 in the House (with 85 Republican votes in favor). The package made permanent the 2001 Bush tax cuts for all but very high-income earners, avoiding tax increases that otherwise would have taken effect Jan. 1, 2013, when the “temporary” Bush tax cuts were scheduled to expire.

False Tax Claims - FactCheck.org

Um, the currency is published and created by the government, so technically it does belong to them. It's actually a crime to burn the currency.

So when your boss steals your health insurance, you can be assured that the government will let him keep that money... isn't htat awesome!

More awesome than letting my boss live in your head rent-free.

We were not talking about currency, we were talking about wealth. Two different subjects.

Actually, when he ran in 2008, he specifically called RomneyCare a model for the country.

 

[Dschrute3]

None of that justifies the Government fining and imprisoning Citizens for not having health insurance. The Mandate an awful Big Government abuse of power. It's Government bullying at its worst. It should have never been allowed to happen.

Right. You are going back there and claiming people are being locked up for not having insurance, after admitting no one has been. I thought we were making progress, buddy.

The Mandate was a Republican Idea. Personally, I liked the Idea Hillary had. If your employer doesn't offer insurance, you can sign up for the Public Option,and if you don't offer your employees insurance, you pay an extra tax to fund it.

But Republicans didn't want that. They came up with making everyone buy insurance and then having a "mandate". Mitt Romney put it into action in MA and called it a model for the whole country. If he had won in 2008, we'd have had it and you wingnuts would be all for it.

But one the black guy did it OH MY GOD THE KENYAN IS IMPOSING SOCIALISM ON US!!!!

So, have you ever refused to pay what you owe to the IRS? Try it sometime. See what the penalties are. Jail time is a very real possibility. The Mandate should have never happened. Period, end of story.

 

[Dschrute3]

None of that justifies the Government fining and imprisoning Citizens for not having health insurance. The Mandate an awful Big Government abuse of power. It's Government bullying at its worst. It should have never been allowed to happen.

Right. You are going back there and claiming people are being locked up for not having insurance, after admitting no one has been. I thought we were making progress, buddy.

The Mandate was a Republican Idea. Personally, I liked the Idea Hillary had. If your employer doesn't offer insurance, you can sign up for the Public Option,and if you don't offer your employees insurance, you pay an extra tax to fund it.

But Republicans didn't want that. They came up with making everyone buy insurance and then having a "mandate". Mitt Romney put it into action in MA and called it a model for the whole country. If he had won in 2008, we'd have had it and you wingnuts would be all for it.

But one the black guy did it OH MY GOD THE KENYAN IS IMPOSING SOCIALISM ON US!!!!

Geez you leftists can't stop lying, can you? One more time: Republicans had nothing.......NOTHING to do with Commie Care. We didn't want it, we were against it from day one, and not one Republican voted it in.

Yup.

 

[JoeB131]

More awesome than letting my boss live in your head rent-free.

We were not talking about currency, we were talking about wealth. Two different subjects.

Well, how do you measure the wealth? With currency? You just aren't very good at this, are you?

So, have you ever refused to pay what you owe to the IRS? Try it sometime. See what the penalties are. Jail time is a very real possibility. The Mandate should have never happened. Period, end of story.

Why not? We've had mandates on auto insurance for years, no one ever complained about that.

 

[debbiedowner]

None of that justifies the Government fining and imprisoning Citizens for not having health insurance. The Mandate an awful Big Government abuse of power. It's Government bullying at its worst. It should have never been allowed to happen.

Right. You are going back there and claiming people are being locked up for not having insurance, after admitting no one has been. I thought we were making progress, buddy.

The Mandate was a Republican Idea. Personally, I liked the Idea Hillary had. If your employer doesn't offer insurance, you can sign up for the Public Option,and if you don't offer your employees insurance, you pay an extra tax to fund it.

But Republicans didn't want that. They came up with making everyone buy insurance and then having a "mandate". Mitt Romney put it into action in MA and called it a model for the whole country. If he had won in 2008, we'd have had it and you wingnuts would be all for it.

But one the black guy did it OH MY GOD THE KENYAN IS IMPOSING SOCIALISM ON US!!!!

So, have you ever refused to pay what you owe to the IRS? Try it sometime. See what the penalties are. Jail time is a very real possibility. The Mandate should have never happened. Period, end of story.

It's gone I saw it today on gateway pundit, breitbart and fox news so it has to be true. Ding Dong the witch is dead the wicked old mandate. lol