Your Faith On Trial

[ding]

Sure it does. There are more than 24,000 written manuscripts. Early Christians wrote about Him, Jewish historians wrote about Him and secular historians wrote about Him.

I said "scientific" scrutiny, not literary scrutiny. Please try again.

What scientific scrutiny of the manuscripts prove them to be false?

Science has debunked all the big things in the bible. And none of the rest can be proven scientifically. Like if Jesus turned water into wine...

You mean like the universe had a beginning?

Science has debunked the creation story of the bible. Anyways, we don't yet know whether the BB was a start or a continuation of many expansions and contractions.

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics precludes an infinite acting universe as you just described it, Einstein. No credible cosmologist or physicist believes what you just wrote. Not one. Try looking into inflation theory which is super string theory.

 

[shimon]

Well if he/she sweat blood then sweating into the water turned it to wine (color), just don't drink the vinegar smelling white wine either cause Lucifer has a sick sense of humor that way.

Sweating blood is only a trait of
" WOMEN " with Turners syndrom.
Hence why I said "She".
Which would explain why Lazarus was Jesus' boyfriend.

Turning Water into Wine the old Roman joke.... You drink Water and when you urinate it turns to Wine colour..Yup pretty crude..They don't even want to know about the fishes or any other of the cruel Roman taunts and double entendres...

 

[ding]

Well if he/she sweat blood then sweating into the water turned it to wine (color), just don't drink the vinegar smelling white wine either cause Lucifer has a sick sense of humor that way.

Sweating blood is only a trait of
" WOMEN " with Turners syndrom.
Hence why I said "She".
Which would explain why Lazarus was Jesus' boyfriend.

Turning Water into Wine the old Roman joke.... You drink Water and when you urinate it turns to Wine colour..Yup pretty crude..They don't even want to know about the fishes or any other of the cruel Roman taunts and double entendres...

Actually what we are not interested in are two subversives trying to subordinate religion.

 

[shimon]

Lol... How humorous Ding the troll speaks for all religions and all Christians... Shows the size of Dings ego..... Ding Ding Ding....

 

[ding]

Lol... How humorous Ding the troll speaks for all religions and all Christians... Shows the size of Dings ego..... Ding Ding Ding....

You and your friend are either subversives or dupes of subversives. But then again, subversives are dupes too.

"It is especially easy for us to observe socialism's hostility to religion, for this is inherent, with few exceptions, in all contemporary socialist states and doctrines. Only rarely is the abolition of religion legislated, as it was in Albania. But the actions of other socialist states leave no doubt that they are all governed by this very principle and that only external difficulties have prevented its complete implementation. This same principle has been repeatedly proclaimed in socialist doctrines, beginning with the end of the seventeenth century. Sixteenth- and seventeenth-century doctrines are imbued with cold skeptical and ironic attitudes toward religion. If not consciously, then "objectively," they prepared humanity for the convergence of socialist ideology and militant atheism that took place at the end of the seventeenth century and during the course of the eighteenth. The heretical movements of the Middle Ages were religious in character, but those in which socialist tendencies were especially pronounced were the ones that were irrevocably opposed to the actual religion professed by the majority at the time."

The Socialist Phenomenon, Igor Shafarevich

 

[shimon]

Oh how funny you are Ding ..The guy you quoted Igor Shafarevich....Is tooting his horn or Shofar in the wrong direction.. We toot our Horn or Shofar( no vitch.. lol) 101 times to herald the coming of the Moschiach among other things...One of his jobs will be to rectify your and others poor socialist phenomenons like gosh... Christianity itself and its followers so they become better members of this socialist society called mankind....wink...

 

[ding]

Oh how funny you are Ding ..The guy you quoted Igor Shafarevich....Is tooting his horn or Shofar in the wrong direction.. We toot our Horn or Shofar( no vitch.. lol) 101 times to herald the coming of the Moschiach among other things...One of his jobs will be to rectify your and others poor socialist phenomenons like gosh... Christianity itself and its followers so they become better members of this socialist society called mankind....wink...

I've been laughed at before. It's not so bad. It actually says a lot about your fear of being laughed at. In fact, your behavior is typical of bully behavior. They try to dominate others and when they are called out, they respond exactly like you just did. Fascinating. Isn't it?

 

[ding]

Lol... How humorous Ding the troll speaks for all religions and all Christians... Shows the size of Dings ego..... Ding Ding Ding....

Yes, I do stand up for other religions. Doing the right thing, the right way for the right reason is exactly what God wants us to do at all times.

 

[HaShev]

More top posting that has 0 to do about the topic or discussion you are replying to.
Let this be an example of Christian human behavior to break the laws of positive creation and forum rules.

 

[shimon]

If you say so Ding you are entitled to your opinion but need I remind you if it seems we are being bullies then maybe you have never received tough love which counterintiutively is meant to help you not harm you... How you take it is your choice...

 

[HaShev]

He doesn't know the significance of 101, just as he never got the number of
Baal Jesus being 666.

 

[shimon]

Unfortunately that is true but any that want to research and study it might figure it out which is why I left it there instead going TERUAH....

 

[ding]

More top posting that has 0 to do about the topic or discussion you are replying to.
Let this be an example of Christian human behavior to break the laws of positive creation and forum rules.

Oh... so now you want to cry foul? It seems you are not as good at taking it as you are at dishing it out.

If you say so Ding you are entitled to your opinion but need I remind you if it seems we are being bullies then maybe you have never received tough love which counterintiutively is meant to help you not harm you... How you take it is your choice...

That too is an argument I would expect a bully to make when he has been caught bullying.

He doesn't know the significance of 101, just as he never got the number of
Baal Jesus being 666.

Unfortunately that is true but any that want to research and study it might figure it out which is why I left it there instead going TERUAH....

Maybe we should ask Indeependent for his interpretation. Do you know him?

 

[keepitreal]

We are living in perilous times. In the days ahead we can either lean upon our own understanding (and fall) or trust in God no matter what may come (and stand). The greater our faith, the greater our peace in times of trouble. The greater our suffering, the bigger our faith grows, if we can only continue to trust in God and believe that God is in full control. There is no triumph without the trial. We have been called to be overcomers but there must be something to overcome. For every trial we overcome, our faith increases. For every cliff hanger moment when Satan whispers, "Where is your God now?"....... There it is God is watching to see the reflection of His only begotten Son in us. Our trials are gifts, promotions, compliments.. it is as if God is saying, I already know this one will pass the test even as my servant Job did. Do your worst Satan because at the end of this thing? My servant will still be standing on the Rock (Jesus Christ).

Here is Mrs. Cowman's March 7th Devotional:

For even when we came into Macedonia, our body had no rest at all, but we were troubled in every way – struggles from the outside, fears from within (2 Cor 7:5).

Why should God have to lead us thus, and allow the pressure to be so hard and constant? Well, in the first place, it shows His all-sufficient strength and grace much better than if we were exempt from pressure and trial. “The treasure is in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.”

It makes us more conscious of our dependence upon Him. God is constantly trying to teach us our dependence, and to hold us absolutely in His hand and hanging upon His care.

This was the place where Jesus Himself stood and where He wants us to stand, not with self-constituted strength, but with a hand ever leaning upon His, and a trust that dare not take one step alone. It teaches us trust.

There is no way of learning faith except by trial. It is God’s school of faith, and it is far better for us to learn to trust God than to enjoy life.

The lesson of faith once learned, is an everlasting acquisition and an eternal fortune made; and without trust even riches will leave us poor.
—Days of Heaven upon Earth

“Why must I weep when others sing?
’To test the deeps of suffering.’
Why must I work while others rest?
’To spend my strength at God’s request.’
Why must I lose while others gain?
’To understand defeat’s sharp pain.’
Why must this lot of life be mine
When that which fairer seems is thine?
’Because God knows what plans for me
Shall blossom in eternity.’”

Streams in the Desert - March 7

Tyre=rock
My servant will still be standing on the Rock (Jesus Christ).
So you admit now Jesus is the Prince and king of Tyre (the rock) hence
"Son of Perdition" (lucifer) of Ezekiel 28.

Ezekiel 28 warns that Lucifer (Jesus) would be a "Created Image"(icon) of a man, one that walked the Garden of Eden (ancient Persia) the place the Mithraic (man on cross) image did stem from.
In Ezekiel 28 We are told this fallen one would die by the hands of "The seas"(i.e. "Rome" in Bible era slang).
We are told this image would be fallaciously deemed perfect(sinless) until we saw the iniquities in these claims(information age exposes the iniquities in the stories) and that this son of *perdition(*meaning fall to the pit which the character did do 1 Peter 3:19, Acts 2:27) would be called the anointed(Christ) cherub(guardian in Hebrew= Nazarene)-Ezekiel 28:14-15.
We are warned of this first fallen messiah (Lucifer) idol all over the Bible.
The Temple Scroll:
(IIQT=IIQ19,20, 4Q365a)
Column II (The Covenant)
You must not bring any abominable idol into your house and come under the ban together with it.
You shall detest and abominate it for it is under the ban.
The rest talks about taking care not to make a covenant with the people who whore after their idol gods and sacrifice to it inviting them to do the same.
Metal idols
Leviticus 19:4
"`Do not turn to idols or make gods of cast metal for yourselves. I am the LORD your God.
1 Kings 14:9
Isaiah 48:5
Isaiah 44:10
Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
One of the things that G0D forbids is idols, worship using images gods or even of G0D himself (Exodus 20:4 and Leviticus 26:1). Man, as it is written, was created as an image of G0D (Genesis 1:27). And, so, worshipping a man as G0D is idolatry.
After all, G0D himself says that "G0D is not a man" (in Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9).
In Isiah44;9 It states they that make a graven image are all of them vanity and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;(christians) they see not; nor know; that they may be ashamed. Still confused well here is some more. Isaiah44;13(notice it is 13) The carpenter(Who is that was Jesus not considered a carpenter) strecheth out his rule(over the world)he marketh it out with a line;he fitteth it with planes and he marketh it out with a compass, and maketh it after the fiqure of a man(JESUS);according to the beauty of a man;that it mat remain in the house(Maybe over your bed?) One more passage Isiah44;17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god(JESUS)Even his graven image(AGAIN JESUS);He falleth down unto it and worshippeth it. and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me; for this art my god(forbidden JESUS).

LIAR!!! JESUS IS NOT LUCIFER!

Then you called him a Liar-Rev 22:16
and the OT a lie-Dan 10:21
Since you rely on both, you just called or proved yourself a liar instead.
-Checkmate!
You backed your king into a corner and lost your king.

Then you called him a Liar-Rev 22:16
and the OT a lie-Dan 10:21
Since you rely on both, you just called or proved yourself a liar instead.
-Checkmate!
You backed your king into a corner and lost your king.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:12

To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence;
their foot shall slide in due time:
for the day of their calamity is at hand,
and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

Deuteronomy 32:35

In their greed, these false teachers
will exploit you with tales they have concocted.
The longstanding verdict against them remains in force,
and their destruction does not sleep.

2 Peter 2:3

In order for you to checkmate my King,
He must first be in check....

You can't checkmate my King
because He sent His Son, as a discovered attack
preventing satan from being able to checkmate the King!

This battle is the Lord's...
neither you, nor the demons you vessel,
stand a chance to win...as it is written!

The calamity that will rain upon you
and the destruction that will devour you,
will be a testimony for God's Glory!

According to the Word of God
in the mighty name of Jesus,
you are compelled to be silent demon!

Au contraire,
What did I post?
Jesus admitting he was Lucifer in Rev 22:16.
You contradict your own icon.
What was your last post about?
Truth, and so I posted Dan 10:21.
Who knows who Lucifer is But Michael who "best knows these truths".
What did you post last? About wrestling the minds and hearts and who was the messenger who wrestles with the heart and mind of Cyrus prince of the people & Persian King?
Thus Dan 10:21 I posted before you even knew you'd need to read it.
Once again getting a critic to inadvertantly pronounce me while fallaciously trying to sell your idol.
Read Dan 10:21 " in Hebrew" in conjunction with other verses on the one changing the heart (wrestling) with Anointed Cyrus.

Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev battles the prince of Persia).

Now what did you say about the son?

Isaiah 7:3 the son Isaiah is refering to is named Shear ‘Yshv’ (proper transliteration (pronounced hashev=return because Y=H sound) Shear ‘Yshv’ means a remnant shall ‘return’ (HaShev).

So when the Bible says the name is in the Mikdash, in the Mikra, the Torah portions carry the name like Miketz, then the name has to be Mike, not Jim, Joe, or Jesus.
YOU managed to lose twice playing the same game you already lost.

Jesus admitting he was Lucifer in Rev 22:16.

LIAR!! He said no such thing!

In Isaiah 14:12, Lucifer is referred to as son of the morning,
literal, day star

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus is the Bright and Morning Star

In Revelation 22:16, explain then...
I am the Root and the Offspring of David
Lucifer was not born, he was created

What was your last post about?
Truth, and so I posted Dan 10:21.
Who knows who Lucifer is But Michael who "best knows these truths".

Seriously, are you on drugs?
Oh, my bad, you're a vessel for demons!
You posted the Words of Truth and created lies!

But I will tell you what is NOTED in the Scripture of Truth
No one upholds me against these except Michael, your prince.

Which, is referring to Michael and his angels
waging war with satan and his angels
and tossing them onto the earth, out of Heaven

Daniel 10:21 has absolutely NOTHING to do with
Michael knowing the 'truth'(your lies)about Lucifer being Jesus!

YOU managed to lose twice playing the same game you already lost

I haven't lost a game I'm not playing...YOU already lost!

 

[HaShev]

In Revelation 22:16, explain then...
I am the Root and the Offspring of David
Lucifer was not born, he was created

I haven't lost a game I'm not playing...YOU already lost!

Jesus was a created image combining past mythologies and multiple christs spanning 100bc-45ad.
Research 900bc Assyrian tablets on Bel (baals) death scene-they are sitting in the Brittish Museum and reveal Jesus death scene is 100% plagiarized including the resurrection.

So lets keep count: you denied what Jesus said, denied what your Bible said, deny what Websters says and even hid it from your reply.
And because you donct know why Morning Star is Baal's son- Lucifer you call me crazy for your lacking knowledge?? Ad hominem responses are not refutations, they are proof of group pride hurt by info revealed.

It's a fact that Christianity teaches a phosphorus (Luciferous) light visitation for both Paul and Constantine.
It's a fact they reveal Jesus as Lucifer the fallen morning star in Rev 22:16.
The Church never hid this, the sun cross is a Baal cross, the Dec 25th birthday is Baal's birthday, the death scene is from ancient tablets in which a 900bc Assyrian one attest to the plagiarism of the Baal Passion play as it's the exact story even the resurrection from the cave part.
Morning star is known as Baal's son, The church claims Father and son are one in the same (same mythology)and claim him the
"only begotten" son which can't be of YHWH since DAVID was a begotten son in Psalms, so the word "only" describes him as Baal's "only" son. Isis (Ishtar=easter) Baal's wife had a son- the Morning Star.
So the church has never hid it's satanism, it's the flock, the 1/3 the fish who decided to go for the bait-hook line and sinker.
The deceived(even the elect) by the false prophet Rome would lift high, which is what they teach, because they failed to notice it already happened.

INFO ON MORNING STAR-
research "Canaanite dying god mythology Morning star son of baal"
Research "Ishtar (easter) her son the morning star the giant fish birthed from a giant egg that fell to earth into the river bank.

Research Morning Star as the symbol for Lucifer because planet venus falling arc symbolized the fall of Lucifer while Venus rising called
Evening Star(Shalem) symboled the rising archangel-Dan 12:1-4
Jesus was claimed the nemesis of
Evening Star and the God of Israel named in the Holy city.

Spiritual light=knowledge and truth
Therefore research is your friend, laziness & ignorance your enemy.

Sources for Shalem:
YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.

Type David named 2 sons after Shalem in google search.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...ggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNHRACtbwhmoRJ7pK8Q2Lv3KU3v7qg

Morning star sources:

[See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)

“So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
“... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)[/QUOTE]

 

[keepitreal]

Well if he/she sweat blood then sweating into the water turned it to wine (color), just don't drink the vinegar smelling white wine either cause Lucifer has a sick sense of humor that way.

Sweating blood is only a trait of
" WOMEN " with Turners syndrom.
Hence why I said "She".
Which would explain why Lazarus was Jesus' boyfriend.

Which would explain why Lazarus was Jesus' boyfriend.

ACCORDING TO THE INFALLIBLE WORD
OF THE ONE, TRUE LIVING GOD AND FATHER OF CHRIST JESUS
AND BY THE POWER OF THE NAME OF JESUS
THE ONE AND ONLY SON OF GOD
I COMMAND YOU DEMON IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS
AWAY WITH YOU FOR YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE
THE WORD OF ALMIGHTY GOD COMPELS YOU

You are nothing more than a vessel for satan's minions...
his demons vomit his lies through you to others
you have your just reward planned for you!
Your calamity will engulf you yet, your demise will be slow...
You will favor your first death but, it will elude you
You will know He Is through your unbearable suffering
Until your second death, which has already come upon you!

To God be the Glory, in the name of Jesus..Amen and Amen

 

[HaShev]

So now you Christians call Jews Satans minions which means your claim he was Jewish makes him Satans Minion, make up your mind either Torah is valid and admit you questioned it, or it's not which means Your use of it to create an icon is invalid making your icon invalid. Making you the satanist.
But since I proved previously that you are a satanist that makes your false comments a double negative sort of like when Saddam called the US the great Satan.
Thanks for the compliment Luciferian.

 

[ding]

So now you Christians call Jews Satans minions which means your claim he was Jewish makes him Satans Minion, make up your mind either Torah is valid and admit you questioned it, or it's not which means Your use of it to create an icon is invalid making your icon invalid. Making you the satanist.
But since I proved previously that you are a satanist that makes your false comments a double negative sort of like when Saddam called the US the great Satan.
Thanks for the compliment Luciferian.

No. I think she was just calling you that.

 

[keepitreal]

So lets keep count: you denied what Jesus said, denied what your Bible said, deny what Websters says and even hid it from your reply.

LIAR!!! I DENIED WHAT YOU SAID
I DENIED WHAT YOU TWISTED IN THE BIBLE
I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT WEBSTERS DICTIONARY

YOU ARE A VESSEL FOR SPIRITUAL DEMONS
THAT ARE DOING SATANS BIDDING...

 

[HaShev]

You are a very angry person for someone who claims to have the knowledge of God.
Yet God so loves you that he wants to save you anyway, from your Ignorance of your failed ways. Do your research or your laziness can not save you being enslaved on ignorance and lies of your fathers.
Spiritual light=knowledge and truth.
Spiritual Darkness=lies & ignorance.
The war between light and darkness is the war you face now between your ego to proud to admit, research, & seek truth, and to lazy to bother. Your choice has been darkness and it shows in all of your behavior.