'**** You, Guns'

[Stephanie]

Here is an example of the behavior of the gun nuts, they send you private messages and then hide so no dialogue is possible. It then becomes necessary to reply publicly to these weak fearful people.

The NRA and its supporters are complicit in these murders for there is no reason a weapon of this kind is necessary for hunting or target practice. Scaredy cats are scaredy cats who hide under an amendment that has nothing to do with automatic weapons. The only militias in our society are the cowardly preppers and gun huggers.

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Holy shit man, you are really off your ******* rocker, good God, whack job.

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oh grow up, you don't KNOW who is a GUN NUT..and you don't act real sane sometimes, so your judgement isn't worth much

 

[JoeB131]

I think depression causes most of this violence. I believe that politics in this country has contributed to an overall feeling of helplessness and the weakest among us are reacting violently. Some are committing suicide by mass-murder. Something that is overlooked in the news is all of the suicides they have in China. A feeling of helplessness that seems to pervade China has led to mass-suicides.

Chinese Workers at a Foxconn Factory Threaten Mass Suicide | TIME.com

Wow, if a liberal came up with that kind of psycho-babble bullshit, you'd be all over them.

 

[FactFinder]

More gun laws will do about as much as more cops. Nothing. Evil in all its manifestations giggles at all our ego driven meaningless efforts.

There is only one way to be protected from evil.

 

[chikenwing]

The NRA and its supporters are complicit in these murders for there is no reason a weapon of this kind is necessary for hunting or target practice. Scaredy cats are scaredy cats who hide under an amendment that has nothing to do with automatic weapons. The only militias in our society are the cowardly preppers and gun huggers.

Wow couldn't be more wrong. willful ignorance.

 

[FactFinder]

The NRA and its supporters are complicit in these murders for there is no reason a weapon of this kind is necessary for hunting or target practice. Scaredy cats are scaredy cats who hide under an amendment that has nothing to do with automatic weapons. The only militias in our society are the cowardly preppers and gun huggers.

Wow couldn't be more wrong. willful ignorance.

When evil strikes it doesn't need any particular brand of gun. It could just resort to a car bomb or any of a myriad of means.

 

[FactFinder]

Sad, people somehow think they will be doing something by attacking gun laws. The failure was not finding out that young man's tortures then loving and helping him.

 

[Stephanie]

The NRA and its supporters are complicit in these murders for there is no reason a weapon of this kind is necessary for hunting or target practice. Scaredy cats are scaredy cats who hide under an amendment that has nothing to do with automatic weapons. The only militias in our society are the cowardly preppers and gun huggers.

Wow couldn't be more wrong. willful ignorance.

and you are complicit and responsible for 50 MILLION children dead from ABORTION

 

[JoeB131]

Sad, people somehow think they will be doing something by attacking gun laws. The failure was not finding out that young man's tortures then loving and helping him.

No, the failure was he was able to get ahold of five guns from the person who brought him into this world and he killed 27 people with them.

 

[JoeB131]

The NRA and its supporters are complicit in these murders for there is no reason a weapon of this kind is necessary for hunting or target practice. Scaredy cats are scaredy cats who hide under an amendment that has nothing to do with automatic weapons. The only militias in our society are the cowardly preppers and gun huggers.

Wow couldn't be more wrong. willful ignorance.

and you are complicit and responsible for 50 MILLION children dead from ABORTION

 

[chikenwing]

Sad, people somehow think they will be doing something by attacking gun laws. The failure was not finding out that young man's tortures then loving and helping him.

No, the failure was he was able to get ahold of five guns from the person who brought him into this world and he killed 27 people with them.

You would make a very bad rancher/farmer. closing the gate once again long after the stock has gone out of it.


The failure was absolutely not helping this guy before he went around the bend.

 

[FactFinder]

Sad, people somehow think they will be doing something by attacking gun laws. The failure was not finding out that young man's tortures then loving and helping him.

No, the failure was he was able to get ahold of five guns from the person who brought him into this world and he killed 27 people with them.

Wow, everyday the gun count goes up....I expect by friday it will be a couple dozen with some hand grenades thrown in.

 

[JoeB131]

Sad, people somehow think they will be doing something by attacking gun laws. The failure was not finding out that young man's tortures then loving and helping him.

No, the failure was he was able to get ahold of five guns from the person who brought him into this world and he killed 27 people with them.

You would make a very bad rancher/farmer. closing the gate once again long after the stock has gone out of it.


The failure was absolutely not helping this guy before he went around the bend.

No, the failure was not getting every gun out of that house when it was clear a crazy person lived there.

The problem with many seriously mentally ill people is that they can't be helped.

 

[bayoubill]

Here is an example of the behavior of the gun nuts, they send you private messages and then hide so no dialogue is possible. It then becomes necessary to reply publicly to these weak fearful people.

The NRA and its supporters are complicit in these murders for there is no reason a weapon of this kind is necessary for hunting or target practice. Scaredy cats are scaredy cats who hide under an amendment that has nothing to do with automatic weapons. The only militias in our society are the cowardly preppers and gun huggers.

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"...an amendment that has nothing to do with automatic weapons..."

so... I'm curious to know... what exactly do you think is the purpose of the second amendment...?

 

[saveliberty]

Apparently the second is just a buffer between the ones the left likes and all the others.

 

[midcan5]

Joe Scarborough: Newtown Shooting Made 'Ideologies Of My Past' On Guns Irrelevant (VIDEO)

Joe Scarborough: Newtown Shooting Made 'Ideologies Of My Past' On Guns Irrelevant (VIDEO)

 

[saveliberty]

Leading with your feelings is bad policy when it comes to the Constitution. How about focusing on mental health where some good might actually come out of this?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Don't know me at all do you.......


But you are right, just locking someone up doesn't work. We need to increase busting those who are producing or bringing the drugs in.........

No, we need to stop treating a medical problem like a criminal one.

Let me guess, you like your drugs don't you..........

 

[SFC Ollie]

"The tragedy isn’t one school shooting, it’s the unceasing toll across our country. More Americans die in gun homicides and suicides in six months than have died in the last 25 years in every terrorist attack and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq combined."

'Do We Have the Courage to Stop This?' By Nicholas D. Kristof

"In the harrowing aftermath of the school shooting in Connecticut, one thought wells in my mind: Why can’t we regulate guns as seriously as we do cars? .. The fundamental reason kids are dying in massacres like this one is not that we have lunatics or criminals — all countries have them — but that we suffer from a political failure to regulate guns."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/kristof-do-we-have-the-courage-to-stop-this.html

And what others do:

"Other countries offer a road map. In Australia in 1996, a mass killing of 35 people galvanized the nation’s conservative prime minister to ban certain rapid-fire long guns. The “national firearms agreement,” as it was known, led to the buyback of 650,000 guns and to tighter rules for licensing and safe storage of those remaining in public hands.

The law did not end gun ownership in Australia. It reduced the number of firearms in private hands by one-fifth, and they were the kinds most likely to be used in mass shootings.

In the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings — but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect. The murder rate with firearms has dropped by more than 40 percent, according to data compiled by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and the suicide rate with firearms has dropped by more than half.

Or we can look north to Canada. It now requires a 28-day waiting period to buy a handgun, and it imposes a clever safeguard: gun buyers should have the support of two people vouching for them."

quotes from link above

Another moron trying to compare a weapon to a means of transportation...... DUH....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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That worked real well with our 100% ban on cocaine, heroin and meth right? Seems to me that the scumbagts in this nation will still get their hands on guns if they are banned, just like they get their hands of coke, dope and meth. The ONLY people that would be effected by any gun ban would be law abiding citizens.

Since a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to be used in a domestic murder or sucide than fending off a bad guy, you'd probably save a lot of lives by disarming those law abiding citizens.

Let's not forget, Mama Lanza probably thought she needed protection, owning 8 guns. And she was shot with her own gun by her own son.

But she was protected, that was the important thing.

Since a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to be used in a domestic murder or sucide than fending off a bad guy

Prove your claim.

 

[jtpr312]

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That worked real well with our 100% ban on cocaine, heroin and meth right? Seems to me that the scumbagts in this nation will still get their hands on guns if they are banned, just like they get their hands of coke, dope and meth. The ONLY people that would be effected by any gun ban would be law abiding citizens.

Since a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to be used in a domestic murder or sucide than fending off a bad guy, you'd probably save a lot of lives by disarming those law abiding citizens.

Let's not forget, Mama Lanza probably thought she needed protection, owning 8 guns. And she was shot with her own gun by her own son.

But she was protected, that was the important thing.

Run along son, that myth has been debunked so long ago it's funny how you liberals think you can still spew it like a fact.


MYTH 3:"Since a gun in a home is many times more likely to kill a family member than to stop a criminal, armed citizens are not a deterrent to crime."

This myth, stemming from a superficial "study" of firearm accidents in the Cleveland, Ohio, area, represents a comparison of 148 accidental deaths (including suicides) to the deaths of 23 intruders killed by home owners over a 16-year period. 2

Gross errors in this and similar "studies"--with even greater claimed ratios of harm to good--include: the assumption that a gun hasn't been used for protection unless an assailant dies; no distinction is made between handgun and long gun deaths; all accidental firearm fatalities were counted whether the deceased was part of the "family" or not; all accidents were counted whether they occurred in the home or not, while self-defense outside the home was excluded; almost half the self-defense uses of guns in the home were excluded on the grounds that the criminal intruder killed may not have been a total stranger to the home defender; suicides were sometimes counted and some self-defense shootings misclassified. Cleveland's experience with crime and accidents during the study period was atypical of the nation as a whole and of Cleveland since the mid-1970s. Moreover, in a later study, the same researchers noted that roughly 10% of killings by civilians are justifiable homicides. 3

The "guns in the home" myth has been repeated time and again by the media, and anti-gun academics continue to build on it. In 1993, Dr. Arthur Kellermann of Emory University and a number of colleagues presented a study that claimed to show that a home with a gun was much more likely to experience a homicide.4 However, Dr. Kellermann selected for his study only homes where homicides had taken place--ignoring the millions of homes with firearms where no harm is done--and a control group that was not representative of American households. By only looking at homes where homicides had occurred and failing to control for more pertinent variables, such as prior criminal record or histories of violence, Kellermann et al. skewed the results of this study. Prof. Kleck wrote that with the methodology used by Kellermann, one could prove that since diabetics are much more likely to possess insulin than non-diabetics, possession of insulin is a risk factor for diabetes. Even Dr. Kellermann admitted this in his study: "It is possible that reverse causation accounted for some of the association we observed between gun ownership and homicide." Law Professor Daniel D. Polsby went further, "Indeed the point is stronger than that: 'reverse causation' may account for most of the association between gun ownership and homicide. Kellermann's data simply do not allow one to draw any conclusion."5

Research conducted by Professors James Wright and Peter Rossi,6 for a landmark study funded by the U.S. Department of Justice, points to the armed citizen as possibly the most effective deterrent to crime in the nation. Wright and Rossi questioned over 1,800 felons serving time in prisons across the nation and found:

81% agreed the "smart criminal" will try to find out if a potential victim is armed.
74% felt that burglars avoided occupied dwellings for fear of being shot.
80% of "handgun predators" had encountered armed citizens.
40% did not commit a specific crime for fear that the victim was armed.
34% of "handgun predators" were scared off or shot at by armed victims.
57% felt that the typical criminal feared being shot by citizens more than he feared being shot by police.
Professor Kleck estimates that annually 1,500-2,800 felons are legally killed in "excusable self-defense" or "justifiable" shootings by civilians, and 8,000-16,000 criminals are wounded. This compares to 300-600 justifiable homicides by police. Yet, in most instances, civilians used a firearm to threaten, apprehend, shoot at a criminal, or to fire a warning shot without injuring anyone.

Based on his extensive independent survey research, Kleck estimates that each year Americans use guns for protection from criminals more than 2.5 million times annually. 7 U.S. Department of Justice victimization surveys show that protective use of a gun lessens the chance that robberies, rapes, and assaults will be successfully completed while also reducing the likelihood of victim injury. Clearly, criminals fear armed citizens.


2 Rushforth, et al., "Accidental Firearm Fatalities in a Metropolitan County, " 100 American Journal of Epidemiology 499 (1975).
3 Rushforth, et al., "Violent Death in a Metropolitan County," 297 New England Journal of Medicine 531, 533 (1977).
4 Kellermann, et al., "Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," New England Journal of Medicine 467 (1993).
5 Polsby, "The False Promise of Gun Control," The Atlantic Monthly, March 1994.
6 Wright and Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms (N.Y.: Aldine de Gruyter, 1986).
7 Kleck, interview, Orange County Register,Sept. 19, 1993.


MYTH 6: "Most murders are argument-related `crimes of passion' against a relative, neighbor, friend or acquaintance. "

The vast majority of murders are committed by persons with long established patterns of violent criminal behavior. Acc ording to analyses by the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, the FBI, and the Chicago, New York City, and other police departments, about 70% of suspected murderers have criminal careers of long standing--as do nearly half their victims. FBI data show that roughly 47% of murderers are known to their victims.
The waiting period, or "cooling-off" period, as some in the "gun control" community call it, is the most often cited solution to "crimes of passion." However, state crime records show that in 1992, states with waiting periods and other laws delaying or denying gun purchases had an overall violent crime rate more than 47% higher and a homicide rate 19% higher than other states. In the five states that have some jurisdictions with waiting periods (Georgia, Kansas, Nevada, Ohio and Virginia), the non-waiting period portions of all five states have far lower violent crime and homicide rates.

Recent studies by the Justice Department suggest that persons who live violent lives e xhibit those violent tendencies "both within their home and among their family and friends and outside their home among strangers in society." A National Institute of Justice study reveals that the victims of family violence often suffer repeated problems from the same person for months or even years, and if not successfully resolved, such incidents can eventually result in serious injury or death. A study conducted by the Police Foundation showed that 90% of all homicides, by whatever means committed, in volving family members, had been preceded by some other violent incident serious enough that the police were summoned, with five or more such calls in half the cases.

Circumstances which might suggest "crimes of passion" or "spontaneous" arguments, such as a lover's triangle, arguments over money or property, and alcohol-related brawls, comprise 29% of criminal homicides, according to FBI data.

Professor James Wright of the University of Massachusetts describes the typical incident of family violence as "that mythical crime of passion" and rejects the notion that it is an isolated incident by otherwise normally placid and loving individuals. His research shows that it is in fact "the culminating event in a long history of interpersonal viole nce between the parties."

Wright also speaks to the protective use of handguns. "Firearms equalize the means of physical terror between men and women. In denying the wife of an abusive man the right to have a firearm, we may only be guaranteeing he r husband the right to beat her at his pleasure," says Wright. 11


11 Wright, "Second Thoughts About Gun Control," 91 [The] Public Interest, 23 (Spring 1988).


http://http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm