Yitzhak Hertzog: I call referendum on settlements' future.

[toomuchtime_]

In my opinion, montelatici no more speaks for any contingency of Christian voices than guno speaks for any Israeli contingency.

They both have serious deficiencies that make me uncomfortable and denigrate whoever they think they are representing.

I am just stating fact. Not denigrating anyone. Israel needs the Christian West's support to survive.

Then Israel is secure since the overwhelming majority of American Christians support Israel; in fact the majority of Zionists are Christians.

Just the evangelicals, they are a minority of Christians in America and they are fickle. They could turn on Jews in heartbeat.

The World Council of Churches (most of the mainline churches) and the Roman Catholic Church have a far different position.

You are deluded. All the polls have shown for many years the vast majority of Americans support Israel and since the vast majority of Americans are Christians it follows that vast majority of Christians support Israel.

Things are changing, for example.

"When the Presbyterian Church (USA), the nation's major Presbyterian body, decided this summer to move toward cutting off investments in select companies that do business with Israel, Jewish groups were caught off guard.

Read more at Mainline Churches vs. Israel?

Not a vast majority anyway. American Catholics support Israel but 60% and Hispanic Catholics are increasingly supporting the Palestinians, and that is the part of the Catholic Church that is growing the most. Besides, on a worldwide basis, Christians support the Palestinians.

"World Council of Churches condemns Christian Zionism"

The Prophetic Church is moving forward!

The fact remains that the polls have been stable for years in the US and they have shown overwhelming support for Israel and very little support for the Palestinians.

 

[montelatici]

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

Poll: 80% of Americans don't want U.S. aid going to Israel -

Poll: 80% of Americans don't want U.S. aid going to Israel - Lawsuit aims to help

And the future:

Millennial Support for Israel Plummets

Millennial Support for Israel Plummets

 

[Hollie]

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

Poll: 80% of Americans don't want U.S. aid going to Israel -

Poll: 80% of Americans don't want U.S. aid going to Israel - Lawsuit aims to help

And the future:

Millennial Support for Israel Plummets

Millennial Support for Israel Plummets

Americans' Views Toward Israel Remain Firmly Positive

 

[toomuchtime_]

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

Poll: 80% of Americans don't want U.S. aid going to Israel -

Poll: 80% of Americans don't want U.S. aid going to Israel - Lawsuit aims to help

And the future:

Millennial Support for Israel Plummets

Millennial Support for Israel Plummets

Yet the polls remain stable with the vast majority of Americans supporting Israel and relatively few supporting the Palestinians.

 

[montelatici]

No, support for Israel in the U.S. is declining and will continue to decline. The truth cannot be hidden forever, the Europeans, being more perceptive, have flip flopped from fervent Israel supporters and enablers (e.g. Britain) and now support the Palestinians.

 

[toomuchtime_]

No, support for Israel in the U.S. is declining and will continue to decline. The truth cannot be hidden forever, the Europeans, being more perceptive, have flip flopped from fervent Israel supporters and enablers (e.g. Britain) and now support the Palestinians.

Are you capable of reading?

Americans' Views Toward Israel Remain Firmly Positive

Americans' Views Toward Israel Remain Firmly Positive

 

[montelatici]

And, you failed to read the later poll.

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

 

[toomuchtime_]

And, you failed to read the later poll.

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

I read it, and it does not contradict the Gallup poll. It merely shows Democrats are somewhat less supportive of Israel than the rest of the country. Overall, Americans support Israel over the Palestinians by about 4 to 1, and that has been true for decades.

 

[Indeependent]

And, you failed to read the later poll.

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

Jewish Democrats are always anti-Israel...until Israel gets attacked.
You're so hateful you can't even keep track of contemporary history.

 

[montelatici]

And, you failed to read the later poll.

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

I read it, and it does not contradict the Gallup poll. It merely shows Democrats are somewhat less supportive of Israel than the rest of the country. Overall, Americans support Israel over the Palestinians by about 4 to 1, and that has been true for decades.

It says "DECLINING", FFS.

 

[toomuchtime_]

And, you failed to read the later poll.

Democrats’ Support For Israel Declining

I read it, and it does not contradict the Gallup poll. It merely shows Democrats are somewhat less supportive of Israel than the rest of the country. Overall, Americans support Israel over the Palestinians by about 4 to 1, and that has been true for decades.

It says "DECLINING", FFS.

Slightly among democrats, perhaps due to the Obama effect, but among all Americans support for Israel over the Palestinians remains and has remained about 4 to 1.

 

[montelatici]

Declining, full stop.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Declining, full stop.

According to Gallup, support for Israel has been steadily increasing despite the Obama aberration.

 

[montelatici]

According to the later poll there is a decline. And as the old farts that have been brainwashed by Zionist propaganda die off, the decline will accelerate.

 

[Hollie]

According to the later poll there is a decline. And as the old farts that have been brainwashed by Zionist propaganda die off, the decline will accelerate.

"... because I say so"

Curious how a know-nothing claims to predict the future.

 

[Bleipriester]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

It's not about what the UN or 'international law'. It's about figuring once and for all what the people of Israel truly want to do about the liberated lands. It will be an important step, with no connection to what the UN wants or thinks.

Delusional Zionist Lebensraum drivel and being-chosen conceit.

 

[Bleipriester]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

It's not about what the UN or 'international law'. It's about figuring once and for all what the people of Israel truly want to do about the liberated lands. It will be an important step, with no connection to what the UN wants or thinks.

A decision can only be made for the own land, not "liberated" land, where armed thugs terrorize the true citizens until they leave too.

True citizens? Are you totally ignorant to history?!

The only reason wby you would't find Jews at Gush Atzion during the 50's was because the were scarred of and killed by the Atabs during those days.

The Jews of Hebron were butchered in 1929. Their houses were robbed, demolished and taken over by the Arabs.

Now when they return, THEY are the illegal squatteres?!

Wow. Some of you people are unbelievable.

The Arabs of Hebron were butchered in 1994 by settlers and you don´t give a shit. Palestinians are oppressed. And what about settlements? Because 2000 years ago, Israelites lived there, all Arabs must be expelled or killed? A divine decision?

 

[Phoenall]

Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews? Is there any rational reason that the Muslim and Christians should not despise the Israeli Jews? Put yourself in their shoes, for once.

And talking about liars:

The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.

""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."

A/364 of 3 September 1947

In retrospect it is obvious that the British conspired with the Jews to do the exact opposite and expropriate, rule over and/or evict the native Christians and Muslims.

They were lied to, called "hostile" for resisting the planned subjugation and now have people like you repeating the propaganda designed to justify the crimes perpetrated against the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, people that had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

>>Stating fact is not disparagement. If Israel were not occupying land taken from the native Muslim and Christian people (the majority of who were evicted to make room for the Jews) would there be any conflict between the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and Jews?<<

Yes, apparently there would be. Because I do not accept your premise at all. The Jews who moved into the Holy Land in the early 1900’s occupied No One’s land! It was the Ottoman Turks who controlled not only “Palestine” but Jordan, Syria, Iraq, etc., none of which were countries with borders at the time. So where do you come off calling this Palestinians’ land? There were Christians living there as well, correct, but also Jews and Jerusalem had a Jewish majority. The Jews purchased worthless tracks of land from the Ottoman Turks and from absentee Egyptian landlords.

Did you get that? “Worthless tracks of land” that no one was living on, most of it swamp land if you read historical journals. The Jews drained these mosquito infested salty swamps and turned a desolate land into something very bountiful and useful. Then what? Then all the Egyptians, Lebanese, Iraqui et al. moved in to “Palestine” because jobs and opportunity were created by the Jews. You deny that? And then what? Then Islam hatred for Jews --- be it envy or a dark spiritual hatred --- set in and they resented their benefactors. And then all of a sudden all these Arabs who flooded in after the Jewish reclamation now refer to themselves as “Palestinians.” Yeah, right. Refugees, my foot. 1) You came from Egypt and Iraq, etc. 2) When the 1948 war started you all left Israel at the command or behest of your Islamic grand muftis promising you would return when the Jews were wiped out. Well, it did not happen so now you come up with new crap to make your case.


>>And talking about liars: The British (Churchill) from the partition resolution A/364.""Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine...."<<

First of all, leave it to the warring, hate-filled Arabs to put the British in a most precarious situation. All the British hoped for was peace but the Arabs are not nice people. These agreements lopped off ¾ of Palestine and created Jordan, exclusively for Arab Palestinians, no Jew could live there. With the remaining ¼ of Palestine it was divided between Arab and Jew. But hell no, the Arabs demand everything, even though they have no legitimate right, hell, most of them were transplanst from other countries.

1. The inhabitants were the Muslims and Christians, and they owned, as private property, over 85% of the land as late as 1947, hence it was their land, not some imperial power's.

From Resolution A/364 the "partition resolution":

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. ..."

A/364 of 3 September 1947



2. It's the same bullshit propaganda that you liars spread, there was hardly any Muslim or Christian immigration to Palestine. This is a Zionist myth, designed to justify the expropriation of the Muslim and Christian natives:

From the same UN partition resolution:

"15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

Continuing to make things up or repeating lies you have read on Zionist propaganda sites, does not change the facts.

LIAR as it is not the "partition resolution": at all it is just a supplementary report to the UN from UNSCOP.

WHY DO YOU LIE WHEN THE REALITY IS IN YOUR OWN LINK

 

[Phoenall]

Illegal is illegal, no referendum makes it legal.

It's not about what the UN or 'international law'. It's about figuring once and for all what the people of Israel truly want to do about the liberated lands. It will be an important step, with no connection to what the UN wants or thinks.

A decision can only be made for the own land, not "liberated" land, where armed thugs terrorize the true citizens until they leave too.

True citizens? Are you totally ignorant to history?!

The only reason wby you would't find Jews at Gush Atzion during the 50's was because the were scarred of and killed by the Atabs during those days.

The Jews of Hebron were butchered in 1929. Their houses were robbed, demolished and taken over by the Arabs.

Now when they return, THEY are the illegal squatteres?!

Wow. Some of you people are unbelievable.

Gush Etzion a Jewish outpost, was within the Arab part of the partition. The inhabitants were part of the incoming horde of European Jews who, as we know, intended to create a Jewish state at the expense of the native Muslim and Christians.

The Jewish military decided to take over and militarize the nearby Russian Orthodox Monastery in order to claim yet additional land. The Arabs, understandably attacked a foreign military installation within their territory. Many Muslim and Christian towns and villages had already been captured within the Jewish and Arab partitions, Jaffa, within the Arab partition, had already surrendered after a long Jewish siege days before the Israeli declaration of independence. Muslims and Christians were massacred by the Jews, in far greater number than Jews by the Arabs as the Arabs were defending themselves from a foreign takeover.

At Hebron, the Arabs had long complained about the the increasing influx of Europeans in the area. The Sephardic Jews of Hebron, although also from outside of Palestine (Spain as the name implies), were not targets until they took sides and decided to back the foreigners. Tragic, but about the same number of Arabs died as Jews in the conflict.

No it was built on the Jewish part of the 1923 partition, the only legal one accepted by international law. The arab Christians and muslims had denied the UN partition and now cant demand it be put in place