Yikes, sky dad...morals are absolute, though

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Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

 

[G.T.]

This isnt an autistic bumper sticker slogan thread...its a discussion on god's reprehensible acts in the bible, old and new testaments. It is the christian view that morals are relative, as the christian believes in the god of the christian bible and so either they condone genocide, rape, stoning, baby torture and other barbaric acts...or, morals changed for them somehow. Sophistry please.

 

[Moonglow]

JFC TL/DR

Dont worry, it was simple minded sophistry designed to impress the easily impressed minds of dogma dupes. It was glaring logical fallacy after logical fallacy, and cs lewis has been refuted only 6, 842 times but I could be wrong because I lost count.

He was better at fiction.

They actually USE c.s. lewis in philosophy classes to teach examples of irrational thought processes.

He's a historic go-to for fundy religious-types because their brains are already hard wired to jump from effect to cause.....from correlation to causation, and its easily and demonstrably incorrect reasoning.

Here's a decent ass-fucking of one of lewis' many bumbles of dogma:

Fundamentalist Deceit: An American Tradition: C.S. Lewis on thought...

Shit, my last philosophy class was in 1984...

 

[G.T.]

JFC TL/DR

Dont worry, it was simple minded sophistry designed to impress the easily impressed minds of dogma dupes. It was glaring logical fallacy after logical fallacy, and cs lewis has been refuted only 6, 842 times but I could be wrong because I lost count.

He was better at fiction.

They actually USE c.s. lewis in philosophy classes to teach examples of irrational thought processes.

He's a historic go-to for fundy religious-types because their brains are already hard wired to jump from effect to cause.....from correlation to causation, and its easily and demonstrably incorrect reasoning.

Here's a decent ass-fucking of one of lewis' many bumbles of dogma:

Fundamentalist Deceit: An American Tradition: C.S. Lewis on thought...

Shit, my last philosophy class was in 1984...

There's no specific year when humans started to wake up to religions being ridiculous dogma.....its more-so a matter of social taboo in unbelief.... and the fact that the less authoritarian society becomes, as a whole, the easier it is to freely express such (rational) doubt.

 

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C.S. Lewis explains:

Every one has heard people quarrelling. Sometimes it sounds funny and sometimes it sounds merely unpleasant; but however it sounds, I believe we can learn something very important from listening to the kind
of things they say. They say things like this: "How'd you like it if anyone did the same to you?" — "That's my seat, I was there first" — "Leave him alone, he isn't doing you any harm" — "Why should you shove in first?" — "Give me a bit of your orange, I gave you a bit of mine" — "Come on, you promised." People say things like that every day, educated people as well as uneducated, and children as well as grown-ups. Now what interests me about all these remarks is that the man who makes them is not merely saying that the other man's behaviour does not happen to please him. He is appealing to some kind of standard of behaviour which he expects the other man to know about. And the other man very seldom replies: "To hell with your standard." Nearly always he tries to make out that what he has been doing does not really go against the standard, or that if it does there is some special excuse. He pretends there is some special reason in this particular case why the person who took the seat first should not keep it, or that things were quite different when he was given the bit of orange, or that something has turned up which lets him off keeping his promise. It looks, in fact, very much as if both parties had in mind some kind of Law or Rule of fair play or decent behaviour or morality or whatever you like to call it, about which they really agreed. And they have. If they had not, they might, of course, fight like animals, but they could not quarrel in the human sense of the word. Quarrelling means trying to show that the other man is in the wrong. And there would be no sense in trying to do that unless you and he had some sort of agreement as to what Right and Wrong are; just as there would be no sense in saying that a footballer had committed a foul unless there was some agreement about the rules of football. Now this Law or Rule about Right and Wrong used to be called the Law of Nature. Nowadays, when we talk of the "laws of nature" we usually mean things like gravitation, or heredity, or the laws of chemistry. But when the older thinkers called the Law of Right and Wrong "the Law of Nature," they really meant the Law of Human Nature. The idea was that, just as all bodies are governed by the law of gravitation and organisms by biological laws, so the creature called man also had his law — with this great difference, that a body could not choose whether it obeyed the law of gravitation or not, but a man could choose either to obey the Law of Human Nature or to disobey it. We may put this in another way. Each man is at every moment subjected to several different sets of law but there is only one of these which he is free to disobey. As a body, he is subjected to gravitation and cannot disobey it; if you leave him unsupported in mid-air, he has no more choice about falling than a stone has. As an organism, he is subjected to various biological laws which he cannot disobey any more than an animal can. That is, he cannot disobey those laws which he shares with other things; but the law which is peculiar to his human nature, the law he does not share with animals or vegetables or inorganic things, is the one he can disobey if he chooses. This law was called the Law of Nature because people thought that every one knew it by nature and did not need to be taught it. They did not mean, of course, that you might not find an odd individual here and there who did not know it, just as you find a few people who are colour-blind or have no ear for a tune. But taking the race as a whole, they thought that the human idea of decent behaviour was obvious to every one. And I believe they were right. If they were not, then all the things we said about the war were nonsense. What was the sense in saying the enemy were in the wrong unless Right is a real thing which the Nazis at bottom knew as well as we did and ought to have practised? If they had had no notion of what we mean by right, then, though we might still have had to fight them, we could no more have blamed them for that than for the colour of their hair.

 

[BULLDOG]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

 

[G.T.]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

 

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Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

That morals are absolute because they are truths.

 

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Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Go for it.

 

[BULLDOG]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Could be just God confounding his thoughts. There are a couple of examples of that in the Bible.

 

[G.T.]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

That morals are absolute because they are truths.

That's a malformed sentence, ding. Anything thats absolute IS a truth, otherwise it doesnt possess the property of being absolute. You literally just said theyre true because theyre true.

This isnt about morals as absolutes or morals being relative....

its about biblical gods morals being absolute or relative.

The fact escapes you, but now you cannot say that I didnt clarify.

 

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Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Could be just God confounding his thoughts. There are a couple of examples of that in the Bible.

Or maybe none of you understand what you mock.

 

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Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

That morals are absolute because they are truths.

That's a malformed sentence, ding. Anything thats absolute IS a truth, otherwise it doesnt possess the property of being absolute. You literally just said theyre true because theyre true.

This isnt about morals as absolutes or morals being relative....

its about biblical gods morals being absolute or relative.

The fact escapes you, but now you cannot say that I didnt clarify.

I can't help if you mock what you don't understand, GT.

 

[G.T.]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Could be just God confounding his thoughts. There are a couple of examples of that in the Bible.

That's funny. God of the Bible's morals are relative to which covenant he is speaking from and even then, in the new covenant, theres plenty there that humans in actionable real life find reprehensible.

 

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Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Could be just God confounding his thoughts. There are a couple of examples of that in the Bible.

That's funny. God of the Bible's morals are relative to which covenant he is speaking from and even then, in the new covenant, theres plenty there that humans in actionable real life find reprehensible.

You mean the accounts that the Jews wrote, GT?

 

[BULLDOG]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Could be just God confounding his thoughts. There are a couple of examples of that in the Bible.

Or maybe none of you understand what you mock.

I'll admit that I understand the bible much better than I understand you.

 

[G.T.]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

That morals are absolute because they are truths.

That's a malformed sentence, ding. Anything thats absolute IS a truth, otherwise it doesnt possess the property of being absolute. You literally just said theyre true because theyre true.

This isnt about morals as absolutes or morals being relative....

its about biblical gods morals being absolute or relative.

The fact escapes you, but now you cannot say that I didnt clarify.

I can't help if you mock what you don't understand, GT.

That's not a coherent argument for why Gods morals seem to be the exact opposite of absolute. Genocide is good under certain circumstances and bad under others, for example.

Human morals conclude that genocide is always bad.

Biblical gods morals say that its relative

 

[G.T.]

Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Could be just God confounding his thoughts. There are a couple of examples of that in the Bible.

That's funny. God of the Bible's morals are relative to which covenant he is speaking from and even then, in the new covenant, theres plenty there that humans in actionable real life find reprehensible.

You mean the accounts that the Jews wrote, GT?

There are disturbed morals in any bible youd like to cherry pick.

 

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Virtue is relationships and societies naturally leads to peace, harmony and order. Relationships and societies devoid of virtue naturally lead to discord, acrimony and disorder.

And a good jar of moonshine leads to passing out on top of a row of washing machines in an all night laundromat. . What is your point?

Im gunna ask a mod to remove dingerred because he is too daft to understand that the OP is about the morality of the god of the bible....hes off on one of his autistic derpderp modes because the OP triggered him.

Could be just God confounding his thoughts. There are a couple of examples of that in the Bible.

Or maybe none of you understand what you mock.

I'll admit that I understand the bible much better than I understand you.

I'm complicated. Tell me what you understand about the Bible.

 

[G.T.]

I wonder if the bible d0ng follows includes the story of the murderous flood

Murder is absolutely wrong in the conclusions of human morality.

God of the bible? Oh, its relative.