Yes it's a good idea - Let's eliminate the Department of Education

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If they were doing their job aligned with the mission you state, there would be little or no demand for vouchers. I’d be happy if there were no need or demand for vouchers but the test scores, facilities, and inequities throughout public schools say otherwise. Considering public school administration and unions (NEA) are dominated by Democrats, these shouldn’t be issues. The constant disrepair and poor outcomes are just catalysts for Democrats to come back for more money.

Again, the NEA has nothing to do with the funding for schools. You are incorrect. You bought into someone's propaganda. I was a school administrator. It does not and cannot happen.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That has been proven false for decades.

Sorry! On this point, you are wrong.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

you are contradicting yourself. Your premise is that private schools are for whites who don’t want to go to school with “those people”. Well, the majority of voucher demand comes from urban “those people” who get the voucher and send their kids to private schools dominated by whites which you say don’t want to be in school with “those people”. But, you say the whites are attracted to a so/called subsidy or cost defray by having those people in the classroom. So in a class of 25-30 kids, how many voucher students would there be? 3-4 maybe? Not much of an incentive to offset the notion of being in school with “those people”.

Your theory contradicts itself and falls flat.

Depending on the location, many private schools refuse to accept vouchers. They don't want those students from the poor, inner-city school.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Depending on the location, many private schools refuse to accept vouchers. They don't want those students from the poor, inner-city school.

Name one. Please

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sure as hell does! Before 1978 when the DoE was created (quid pro quo by Jimmah Cahtah to the NEA for their 1976 endorsement), our educational standards and performance were much better. Since then, down the toilet bowl.

Department of Energy? That shows how little you know.

Ever hear of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, created in 1953?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Name one. Please

Listen up, I have a master's degree in educational leadership and served as a high school administrator. I think I am qualified to make a statement such as this without having to give a specific example that you would not believe anyway. I studied all types of schools for 3 years in graduate school, attending sometimes 6-hours of classes after I put in a full 8-hour school day.

But just to sooth your wounded pride, I'll give you these:

Try to see if the Bolles School in Jacksonville, Florida has ever accepted vouchers from the state of Florida. They won't because back when I worked in their area the tuition was $26K per year, I have no idea what it would be today. A $4K voucher back then probably wouldn't get you a reply letter to your application. I can't blame them. Would you forego $22K in tuition to help some poor kids living in the Northwest suburbs of Jacksonville a chance at a school in ritzy San Marcos neighborhood with the millionaire elite?

At that time of vouchers, Jacksonville had one Catholic high school. The waiting list was a long as the number of students enrolled. They never took a voucher student. The Catholic Diocese built a new high school on the western side of town. It was full and had a waiting list on day one. They never accepted a voucher student either. That's three!

When I taught in a rural Kentucky county, the population had a higher than usual Catholic component and an extensive Catholic school system. Guess What? There were two public high schools that were fairly decent, so the parents sent their kids to the public schools, so there was no Catholic high school except in another city, two counties and over 50 miles away. If they were given vouchers, where would those students attend? No private high schools existed.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Department of Energy? That shows how little you know.

Ever hear of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, created in 1953?

OK, DoA Which is what the Department of Education SHOULD be.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Listen up, I have a master's degree in educational leadership and served as a high school administrator. I think I am qualified to make a statement such as this without having to give a specific example that you would not believe anyway. I studied all types of schools for 3 years in graduate school, attending sometimes 6-hours of classes after I put in a full 8-hour school day.

But just to sooth your wounded pride, I'll give you these:

Try to see if the Bolles School in Jacksonville, Florida has ever accepted vouchers from the state of Florida. They won't because back when I worked in their area the tuition was $26K per year, I have no idea what it would be today. A $4K voucher back then probably wouldn't get you a reply letter to your application. I can't blame them. Would you forego $22K in tuition to help some poor kids living in the Northwest suburbs of Jacksonville a chance at a school in ritzy San Marcos neighborhood with the millionaire elite?

At that time of vouchers, Jacksonville had one Catholic high school. The waiting list was a long as the number of students enrolled. They never took a voucher student. The Catholic Diocese built a new high school on the western side of town. It was full and had a waiting list on day one. They never accepted a voucher student either. That's three!

When I taught in a rural Kentucky county, the population had a higher than usual Catholic component and an extensive Catholic school system. Guess What? There were two public high schools that were fairly decent, so the parents sent their kids to the public schools, so there was no Catholic high school except in another city, two counties and over 50 miles away. If they were given vouchers, where would those students attend? No private high schools existed.

You said in your earlier post the reason schools would not accept vouchers was because they didn’t want inner city kids. In your example, it is simply the delta between the voucher and the tuition which means the reason for no voucher students is simply because it is cost-prohibitive.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You said in your earlier post the reason schools would not accept vouchers was because they didn’t want inner city kids. In your example, it is simply the delta between the voucher and the tuition which means the reason for no voucher students is simply because it is cost-prohibitive.

Wow! You are a simpleton. Private schools don't want or need voucher students. They have plenty already. Inner city school students tend to be lower quality students, no matter what their race. I know. I taught in one for 3 years and it was a magnet school for boys only.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

OK, DoA Which is what the Department of Education SHOULD be.

DoA? WTF is that? Department of Assholes?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No, why ruin something that has helped us advance as a nation.

It hasn't helped us advance. Before Jimmy Carter we were number one.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Wow! You are a simpleton. Private schools don't want or need voucher students. They have plenty already. Inner city school students tend to be lower quality students, no matter what their race. I know. I taught in one for 3 years and it was a magnet school for boys only.

You made the statement that private schools don’t want inner city schools. Is that ALL private schools?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You made the statement that private schools don’t want inner city schools. Is that ALL private schools?

Generally, yes. The only "schools" who want vouchers are for-profit private schools usually specifically created just for the purpose. Some inner-city catholic parochial schools will accept vouchers because they are running short of Catholic kids to attend their schools. Like I said earlier, I studied vouchers for 3 years in graduate school. They simply do not work.

 

[scruffy]

Or the reduction in funding by the state legislature.

Guess what? For the cost of the failed high speed train they could have funded every school in California for ten years.

THAT is how leftards ruin American children.

 

[scruffy]

Try getting tenure in a school these days. Let me tell you what schools do. In my state, it took 3 full years to qualify for tenure. Guess at the did to me TWICE! At the end of the third year, they simply declined to renew my contract for the 4th year. Why? I had enough seniority in terms of years of service, they couldn't afford to pay my salary. I lost my last position because they could pay two new teachers coming out of college for what they could pay me. At one of those districts, they gave another teacher tenure because he had less experience and a lower salary. He kept me apprised of my old job. They replaced my position for three consecutive years with first year teachers, who resigned after their first contract was up.

Sounds like your union failed you.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sounds like your union failed you.

Guess what? The union cannot do a damned thing unless you have tenure as far as contract renewals. That's a highly kept secret that education bashers won't admit.

I did have a principal try to fire me once, but the union laughed at him because I was in the right. Embarrassed the hell in front of them I did! I had another try to replace me with a "diversity hire" and the union told him to pound sand.

 

[Moonglow]

Guess what? For the cost of the failed high speed train they could have funded every school in California for ten years.

THAT is how leftards ruin American children.

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Dwight D. Eisenhower said "The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants.

 

[GMCGeneral]

DoA? WTF is that? Department of Assholes?

Dead On Arrival.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Dead On Arrival.

That's DOA, dumbass!

 

[SmokeALib]

This should have been done decades ago. If Trump can get rid of the DOE and Social Security, he will be remembered as the best president ever. Trump is right, we don't want to be the bottom. Let's move up in the world's education rankings!

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