Yes, by all means, let’s talk about income inequality

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

BTW, you know that taking from one person to give to another, is called "theft", don't you?

Whether it's done by a guy with a black mask on, or by government.

It was done by guys in $5000 gray suits with expensive briefcases and offices in downtown Manhattan and second homes in the Hamptons.

 

[gallantwarrior]

It's not fair that Jimmy Page is at the top of the Guitar Player Inequality!

It's not fair that Lebron James is in the top 1% of basketball players!

We must redistribute!

Yeah short white guys should get B ball contracts. We can take some of the tall guys' millions and pay them. Fair is fair after all.

the NBA is unfairly dominated by young black men, I demand that the NBA reflect the population of the USA equally. Its only fair---------we need some old white guys and some middle aged asians.

Its discrimination, damn it------------the govt must fix it

Don't forget women and gender-confused! They should also be equally represented, as well.

 

[Spiderman]

BTW, you know that taking from one person to give to another, is called "theft", don't you?

Whether it's done by a guy with a black mask on, or by government.

It was done by guys in $5000 gray suits with expensive briefcases and offices in downtown Manhattan.

No one from Wall Street ever stole from me.

 

[Spiderman]

It might depend on one's locality.
Business loans, since Sep 2008, have become almost impossible to attain.
If one has always had a low wage job or has just graduated from college it is nearly impossible to get a loan without a co-signer.
If one lost their money in the crash and didn't pull out they now have more money than ever.

Your past history of success may be the key to lenders and suppliers having confidence in your endeavors while many others don't have such an opportunity.

I got my first loan when I was 21 with no cosigner.

but then again I had a 30% down payment because I had been working full time since I was 15 and two fulltime jobs since I was 17 and I saved almost every penny.

I had great credit because I got a low limit credit card at 18 and used it for all my daily expenses. I went to the local bank that issued it every Saturday and paid off the balance from the week.

And starting a business is not the only way to increase your net worth.

Great! My son is doing the same thing because he has me as a guide.

Now we go on to other factors such as general market and industry specific crashes.
Also, CEOs, such as Larry Ellison, Bill Gates and John Chambers, who hire lobbyists to convince Congress that Americans, including yourself and myself, are incompetent and need to be replaced by business visas.

In some areas, such as Long Island, the Americans were fired by many local businesses, both large and small, and replaces by these business visas.

There are plenty of ways to make money in this country.

Blaming others isn't one of those ways.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Steve Vai needs to redistribute some of his guitar playing abilities over to me

It's only fair

and, oh yes...for the Chillunnnnnnnnn!

 

[gallantwarrior]

In the case of the progressives, to achieve an agenda, a problem must be created first, then the only solution is the one offered by progressives is acceptable.

This is what is happening in this country.

I keep hearing this being said by Repubs that only Liberal solutions are acceptable.

When repubs are asked for solutions they either claim there is no problem (like with income inequality) or take a hands off approach like with Climate Change (earth will fix itself) or Free Market (it'll work out, just wait and see)

So, I find it strange that someone who says there isn't a problem or encourages everyone that they don't need a solution because it'll all work out pretends that they are being denied the opportunity to provide an answer.

They literally refuse to give an answer then get offended that someone considers a liberals answer. All you have to do repubs is OFFER A SOLUTION. Its crazy

Sometimes, leaving well enough alone is the proper answer. Not every "problem" is the panic-inducing, faux emergency it is made to appear.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Thats the point people are trying to deal with it. Again like always you need to strike that balance between regulation and capitalism.
Left to its own devices capitalism will eat its own tail and crash. The same goes for every other method. Socialism, communism, etc.....you over regulate and things stall out. You under and it crashes under its own greed.

There is nothing wrong with making money, but you cant stack the deck in your favor...you watch these billion and million dollar companies pay their lower employess chump change. So the idea they cant afford to pay more is absurd, but they need those bonuses and higher paying "jobs".

Is it wrong to say " hey instead of paying yourself 2 million, how about 1.5 and you pay your employees a little more." Nothing wrong in suggesting this. ...just dont force them.

Welfare is a tool to be ised to get yourself out. But if the jobs pay so poorly then how do they get out of welfare?

At least this is my opinion on it...just food for thought.

Nothing wrong with making suggestions. But don't piss and moan when your suggestions aren't considered.

So I give you an answer and this is the reaction? Come on dude...then you wonder why nobody bothered with you.

There was no solution to the problem in your answer.

Here's my quote that prompted your response.

I've asked for their solutions to this so-called problem and both people to whom I've asked have gone quiet.

Here's is the pure and simple fact.

Income equality will always be around.

Deal with it!

Notice, you offered nothing that addressed what I said.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

BTW, you know that taking from one person to give to another, is called "theft", don't you?

Whether it's done by a guy with a black mask on, or by government.

The act, and the moral basis, is the same.

And when one, or more, person(s) benefits from the forcible taking of the fruits of others' labors, that is slavery, as well.

Acquiring by force is called theft. Slavery is forcing someone to work without wages.
What happened to our economy 5 years ago is called fraud.

 

[gallantwarrior]

In the case of the progressives, to achieve an agenda, a problem must be created first, then the only solution is the one offered by progressives is acceptable.

This is what is happening in this country.

I keep hearing this being said by Repubs that only Liberal solutions are acceptable.

When repubs are asked for solutions they either claim there is no problem (like with income inequality) or take a hands off approach like with Climate Change (earth will fix itself) or Free Market (it'll work out, just wait and see)

So, I find it strange that someone who says there isn't a problem or encourages everyone that they don't need a solution because it'll all work out pretends that they are being denied the opportunity to provide an answer.

They literally refuse to give an answer then get offended that someone considers a liberals answer. All you have to do repubs is OFFER A SOLUTION. Its crazy

Solution?

Make different choices as such choices are presented to you.

Choosing not to act is a choice. Maybe some people don't feel the compulsion to try to control every minute aspect of every other person's life?

 

[Indeependent]

I got my first loan when I was 21 with no cosigner.

but then again I had a 30% down payment because I had been working full time since I was 15 and two fulltime jobs since I was 17 and I saved almost every penny.

I had great credit because I got a low limit credit card at 18 and used it for all my daily expenses. I went to the local bank that issued it every Saturday and paid off the balance from the week.

And starting a business is not the only way to increase your net worth.

Great! My son is doing the same thing because he has me as a guide.

Now we go on to other factors such as general market and industry specific crashes.
Also, CEOs, such as Larry Ellison, Bill Gates and John Chambers, who hire lobbyists to convince Congress that Americans, including yourself and myself, are incompetent and need to be replaced by business visas.

In some areas, such as Long Island, the Americans were fired by many local businesses, both large and small, and replaces by these business visas.

There are plenty of ways to make money in this country.

Blaming others isn't one of those ways.

Unfortunately, there ARE people who make a very good living by blaming others.
Pointing out immoral behavior should NOT be the source of one's income.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You're right. You educated yourself, built the roads to your house. Hunted and caught your own food and healed yourself when you were sick. You're amazing!

actually, he was taught by a teacher who opted to go into that profession and earn the income that the profession offered. he drove on the roads that were built using tax payer money and paid to business owners who employed workers that opted to go into the road building industry and earn the income the profession offers. He bought food from those that sold food and the employees that opted to work for food sales establishments. He was healed by medical professionals who opted to go into the medical profession and earn the income the profession offers.

Right. All built upon a support network of people providing services and opportunities for others to succeed.

The problem is those opportunities are shrinking every day. Everywhere you look people are losing their health insurance, school is getting more expensive, jobs are going to China/India, etc.....who do these changes affect? The middle class, which is dwindling every year as the ranks of the poor increase. Yet, these changes don't seem to impact the wealthiest among us who are becoming wealthier every day. So to act, like he is "self made" is funny because he's had plenty of help along the way. Unfortunately that help is going away and he doesn't care or want to recognize it.

Why are these changes occurring? (See bolded/underlined above.)

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

It was done by guys in $5000 gray suits with expensive briefcases and offices in downtown Manhattan.

No one from Wall Street ever stole from me.

Then they are better at it than I imagined.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I've asked for their solutions to this so-called problem and both people to whom I've asked have gone quiet.

Here's is the pure and simple fact.

Income equality will always be around.

Deal with it!

Thats the point people are trying to deal with it. Again like always you need to strike that balance between regulation and capitalism.
Left to its own devices capitalism will eat its own tail and crash. The same goes for every other method. Socialism, communism, etc.....you over regulate and things stall out. You under and it crashes under its own greed.

There is nothing wrong with making money, but you cant stack the deck in your favor...you watch these billion and million dollar companies pay their lower employess chump change. So the idea they cant afford to pay more is absurd, but they need those bonuses and higher paying "jobs".

Is it wrong to say " hey instead of paying yourself 2 million, how about 1.5 and you pay your employees a little more." Nothing wrong in suggesting this. ...just dont force them.

Welfare is a tool to be ised to get yourself out. But if the jobs pay so poorly then how do they get out of welfare?

At least this is my opinion on it...just food for thought.

Nothing wrong with making suggestions. But don't piss and moan when your suggestions aren't considered.

Or when those suggestions are considered and rejected. The rejection stings more than anything else for the arrogant, self-centered, envious, greedy, tiresome people who continue to insist that things should be "their way, or the highway".

 

[ClosedCaption]

It was done by guys in $5000 gray suits with expensive briefcases and offices in downtown Manhattan.

No one from Wall Street ever stole from me.

that's funny

 

[NYcarbineer]

for our resident libtardians--------where is it written that incomes should be "equal"? where is income equalization in the constitution as a government duty?

Who are you asking?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It should be the duty of government, and government should have the authority, to impose a minimum level of human decency on those of its citizens who are not capable of such themselves.

That should apply to world of business and work as much as anywhere else.

 

[Stephanie]

yeah, that way we can all BOW, click our heels together and say Hail the government

OUR MASTERS

 

[Indeependent]

yeah, that way we can all BOW, click our heels together and say Hail the government

OUR MASTERS

That's why we have elections.

 

[Defiant1]

Great! My son is doing the same thing because he has me as a guide.

Now we go on to other factors such as general market and industry specific crashes.
Also, CEOs, such as Larry Ellison, Bill Gates and John Chambers, who hire lobbyists to convince Congress that Americans, including yourself and myself, are incompetent and need to be replaced by business visas.

In some areas, such as Long Island, the Americans were fired by many local businesses, both large and small, and replaces by these business visas.

There are plenty of ways to make money in this country.

Blaming others isn't one of those ways.

Unfortunately, there ARE people who make a very good living by blaming others.
Pointing out immoral behavior should NOT be the source of one's income.

Why not? If a person figures a way to make money out of it, more power to him.

Free enterprise, baby.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I've asked this question before with no answer but I'll try again

Who is stopping any of you from making more money and increasing your net worth??

Are you a millionaire?

If not, why?

Is it because you're lazy?

actually my net worth is over a million.

I own 12 rental properties and have several other ownership stakes in other business ventures. But then again I live extremely far below my means and save something like 75% of my income. I'll wager that most of you complaining about other people holding you back live in a bigger house and have more crap than I and drive newer cars.

But that's not the point is it? Why is your measure of success a million dollars? So if you can't be a millionaire then why bother to improve your position? Is that your argument here?

And I have yet to call anyone lazy. I have said that if you're not where you want to be financially and you do nothing to improve your situation that it is your fault and no one else's because no one is stopping you from making more money and increasing your net worth.

So tell me who is stopping you other than the guy staring back at you in the mirror that is?

That is the "million-dollar-question" right there. Success can be measured in far more ways than just the bank balance one claims. I am immensely successful at almost everything I choose to do. I am quite comfortable and satisfied, but certainly no millionaire by the measure applied by the 99% crowd.