Yes, Bernie wants "free shit". Let's add it to the list of other "free shit"

[jon_berzerk]

so bernies lawyers are getting all pissy

over this tee shirt

--LOL

Sanders Campaign Doesn't Like T-Shirts That Say BERNIE IS MY COMRADE - Progressives Today

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

Considering that these things can't exist without taxpayer money it makes me wonder if we don't have this the other way around. Perhaps it isn't the fact that countries can't exist without these things but more these things can't exist without the people first having money. If these things are considered the government then it appears that whatever property the government has can't exist without the people providing a steady stream of money to them in the form of taxes.

 

[Slade3200]

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

True but there is still a real element in the healthcare and insurance world that would benefit with more competition

The characteristics of the market economy do more harm to the insurance system than they can benefit it. Prices can go down and services can go up due to competition, of course, no doubt. But there will be collusion! And what health care insurance can a 72 year old geezer with plenty of bodily defects but low income expect? I think it is the ultimate solution that health is simply free and covered by tax money.

Corruption is common and deeply entrenched in the health care system. The doctor diagnoses a disease and types the result into his program. Depending on which pharmaceutical company provides this tool, different meds will be recommended. The doctors likes the tools best that are shipped with the highest awards, of course. Just an example.

A single payer system will take away the incentives that drive quality and innovation. The private market is built to foster this kind of environment however there needs to be a regulatory marriage between the private competitive market and the government. All of one, either way, leads to a bad situation

 

[Bleipriester]

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

True but there is still a real element in the healthcare and insurance world that would benefit with more competition

The characteristics of the market economy do more harm to the insurance system than they can benefit it. Prices can go down and services can go up due to competition, of course, no doubt. But there will be collusion! And what health care insurance can a 72 year old geezer with plenty of bodily defects but low income expect? I think it is the ultimate solution that health is simply free and covered by tax money.

Corruption is common and deeply entrenched in the health care system. The doctor diagnoses a disease and types the result into his program. Depending on which pharmaceutical company provides this tool, different meds will be recommended. The doctors likes the tools best that are shipped with the highest awards, of course. Just an example.

A single payer system will take away the incentives that drive quality and innovation. The private market is built to foster this kind of environment however there needs to be a regulatory marriage between the private competitive market and the government. All of one, either way, leads to a bad situation

Maybe, you should take a look at the German system, then.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

Considering that these things can't exist without taxpayer money it makes me wonder if we don't have this the other way around. Perhaps it isn't the fact that countries can't exist without these things but more these things can't exist without the people first having money. If these things are considered the government then it appears that whatever property the government has can't exist without the people providing a steady stream of money to them in the form of taxes.

yes that is the 64 dollar question

what happens when socialists run out of other peoples money to spend

 

[Slade3200]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

Considering that these things can't exist without taxpayer money it makes me wonder if we don't have this the other way around. Perhaps it isn't the fact that countries can't exist without these things but more these things can't exist without the people first having money. If these things are considered the government then it appears that whatever property the government has can't exist without the people providing a steady stream of money to them in the form of taxes.

Taxation is part of the game, used to take money out of the economy so the value of our currency remains competitive. Of course Uncle Sam has his own money tree in the back so the fallacy of the US being broke or on the verge of default is a non reality. It's just a balancing act

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth bedsides can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

Another far left drone failed thread!

See even the far left does not understand what the definition of socialism is, much less the definition of the word "is"..

So far left drone when are you going to give all your money to the government so they can tell you what you are worth?

So why do you still use the government services I listed?

I do, and I pay for them when I pay my taxes which includes a hefty property tax bill every year.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

No, Bernie doesn't want "free shit".

Sheesh.

 

[The Rabbi]

No, Bernie doesn't want "free shit".

Sheesh.

Put that in the "You don't know shit" column.
There are no "Democratic Socialist" countries of the type you post here. Every country in the EU heavily protects and subsidizes its corporations, fleecing them and their workers of most of the profit of their labor so they can give it to the lazy and undeserving.

 

[Slade3200]

No, Bernie doesn't want "free shit".

Sheesh.

Put that in the "You don't know shit" column.
There are no "Democratic Socialist" countries of the type you post here. Every country in the EU heavily protects and subsidizes its corporations, fleecing them and their workers of most of the profit of their labor so they can give it to the lazy and undeserving.

Lazy and undeserving?? And you accuse somebody else of not knowing shit? Get a clue man. Sure there are some that game the system but there are many that work and try very hard that more than deserve it. Vets and our elderly being a major part of that

 

[TeaBagger]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

The CON scum don't know what socialism is so they don't really hate it. What they hate is civilization, good citizenship and the very idea of government. Their dream is to have a massive arsenal and live in a bunker and jerking off to pictures of Ayn Rand while trying to reconcile their love for Ayn Rand with their false love for Jesus.

 

[Billy000]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

^ This is why only people who pay taxes should vote

Yeah im all for that. Trump would lose by a landslide in the general election lol.

 

[Billy000]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth bedsides can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

Another far left drone failed thread!

See even the far left does not understand what the definition of socialism is, much less the definition of the word "is"..

So far left drone when are you going to give all your money to the government so they can tell you what you are worth?

He's a failure BECAUSE he is Billy Triple Fail, worst poster on USMB.
Hey, Billy. Fire, public schools, hgihways etc arent free. That's why we pay taxes. But they are "public goods" where everyone benefits, unlike free healthcare or free college.

You're such an idiot. I said anything paid for by taxes is socialism. That's why I listed those government services. Are you incapable of the most basic level of reading comprehension?

 

[The Rabbi]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth bedsides can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

Another far left drone failed thread!

See even the far left does not understand what the definition of socialism is, much less the definition of the word "is"..

So far left drone when are you going to give all your money to the government so they can tell you what you are worth?

He's a failure BECAUSE he is Billy Triple Fail, worst poster on USMB.
Hey, Billy. Fire, public schools, hgihways etc arent free. That's why we pay taxes. But they are "public goods" where everyone benefits, unlike free healthcare or free college.

You're such an idiot. I said anything paid for by taxes is socialism. That's why I listed those government services. Are you incapable of the most basic level of reading comprehension?

You say anything paid for by taxes is socialism and I'm the idiot?
Go away, Billy. You are a total and complete ass.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

The idea of local autonomy exceeds your grasp.

So does that mean you don't drive on highways or any roads for that matter?

Again, the idea of autonomy escapes you. Interstates, state roads and county roads are all approved and paid for at various levels.
Big difference between that and obamacare, for example.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

The idea of local autonomy exceeds your grasp.

So does that mean you don't drive on highways or any roads for that matter?

Another far left drone failed post..

This drone is just running it's programmed religious dogma..

When are you going to give all your money to the government?

The only Constitutional spending the Congress does is on the Military.

Lol so what happens after you pull spending from every government service besides the military?

Hopefully you would get a job then.




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[Wyatt earp]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

The CON scum don't know what socialism is so they don't really hate it. What they hate is civilization, good citizenship and the very idea of government. Their dream is to have a massive arsenal and live in a bunker and jerking off to pictures of Ayn Rand while trying to reconcile their love for Ayn Rand with their false love for Jesus.

You wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the ass.

 

[Billy000]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

The CON scum don't know what socialism is so they don't really hate it. What they hate is civilization, good citizenship and the very idea of government. Their dream is to have a massive arsenal and live in a bunker and jerking off to pictures of Ayn Rand while trying to reconcile their love for Ayn Rand with their false love for Jesus.

You wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the ass.





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American soldiers have fought for socialism in every war they've been in lol. Definitely nothing wrong with that.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

The CON scum don't know what socialism is so they don't really hate it. What they hate is civilization, good citizenship and the very idea of government. Their dream is to have a massive arsenal and live in a bunker and jerking off to pictures of Ayn Rand while trying to reconcile their love for Ayn Rand with their false love for Jesus.

You wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the ass.





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American soldiers have fought for socialism in every war they've been in lol. Definitely nothing wrong with that.

I tripple dare you to tell one of them that.


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[Billy000]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

The CON scum don't know what socialism is so they don't really hate it. What they hate is civilization, good citizenship and the very idea of government. Their dream is to have a massive arsenal and live in a bunker and jerking off to pictures of Ayn Rand while trying to reconcile their love for Ayn Rand with their false love for Jesus.

You wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the ass.





View attachment 71933

American soldiers have fought for socialism in every war they've been in lol. Definitely nothing wrong with that.

I tripple dare you to tell one of them that.


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My brother is one. He wouldn't care I assure you lol.