WWII The Soviet Union

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By watching WWII movies and reading American history books they would have you think America defeated the Nazis


"The Red Army was "the main engine of Nazism’s destruction," writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945." The Soviet Union paid the harshest price: though the numbers are not exact, an estimated 26 million Soviet citizens died during World War II, including as many as 11 million soldiers. At the same time, the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army".

Don t forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler - The Washington Post


 
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Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact' (Which they didn't)

Stalin then signed a nonaggression pact to gain time to further build up the Soviet forces as Stalin knew what was coming

Hitler’s contempt of the Slavic “race” and his strong belief that German expansion was to take place to the east was an integral part of his foreign policy. The theme of Slavic inferiority and the ideas of a Drang nach Osten, a term literally meaning “eastward push” and encapsulating Germany’s goal to settle Slavic lands, continually surfaced in pre-war Nazi party rallies.33 Nazi-Soviet relations met an all-time low when Hitler signed the Anti-Commintern Pact with Japan in 1936, which focused primarily on containing the perceived Communist threat

Stalin planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact - Telegraph
 
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By watching WWII movies and reading American history books they would have you think America defeated the Nazis


"The Red Army was "the main engine of Nazism’s destruction," writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945." The Soviet Union paid the harshest price: though the numbers are not exact, an estimated 26 million Soviet citizens died during World War II, including as many as 11 million soldiers. At the same time, the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army".

Don t forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler - The Washington Post




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With out doubt. On the other hand, think of the difference had the U.S. industrial base gotten involved. It is a good thing the industry bases of Great Britain and Russia were able to cope. The token forces we offered and involved had no effect either as we were involved in the Pacific Theater and could spare none for Europe. Americas negligence for Europe was a low point in our history. As Hemingway wrote guno, "i urinate in the milk of thy motors". Try harder, revisionist!
 
By watching WWII movies and reading American history books they would have you think America defeated the Nazis


"The Red Army was "the main engine of Nazism’s destruction," writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945." The Soviet Union paid the harshest price: though the numbers are not exact, an estimated 26 million Soviet citizens died during World War II, including as many as 11 million soldiers. At the same time, the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army".

Don t forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler - The Washington Post




Yeah. Why did Stalin have 3 million troops along the German border in June 1941?
 
The Soviet Union "paid the harshest price" because Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The Soviets weren't the best fighters in the world, they didn't have much more than peasants who were more afraid of their commanders than the enemy but they had the home court advantage. When the German supply lines were cut off by the harsh winter the Russians mopped up what was left. FDR used to call Stalin "uncle Joe" and when the Allies finally had Berlin surrounded, Ike was ordered to stop and wait for the Russian hoard to take the city. Thanks to the incoherent American strategy the Russians were able to murder Germans for the next forty years.
 
More stupidity from guano. When will he realize he is full of shit?

1) Soviet casualties were so high because of the incompetence and brutality of the Communist government. Example: The Soviet Army officer corps was decimated prior to the war by Communist purges.
2) The Soviets contributed little to the defeat of Japan.
3) The Soviets were propped up by billions of dollars in aid from the U.S.
4) The Soviets were allied with Hitler for a time. Hitler and Stalin together started the war.

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By watching WWII movies and reading American history books they would have you think America defeated the Nazis


"The Red Army was "the main engine of Nazism’s destruction," writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945." The Soviet Union paid the harshest price: though the numbers are not exact, an estimated 26 million Soviet citizens died during World War II, including as many as 11 million soldiers. At the same time, the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army".

Don t forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler - The Washington Post




I amso IR responds

With out doubt. On the other hand, think of the difference had the U.S. industrial base gotten involved. It is a good thing the industry bases of Great Britain and Russia were able to cope. The token forces we offered and involved had no effect either as we were involved in the Pacific Theater and could spare none for Europe. Americas negligence for Europe was a low point in our history. As Hemingway wrote guno, "i urinate in the milk of thy motors". Try harder, revisionist!


Wow, I had 3 Uncles and a Father that was in Europe and North Africa. Some token force. My Father was in NA, Cyprus, Italy and Southern France along with hundreds of thousands other Americans. One Uncle was lost in France to German Artillery (direct hit, no body found), 1 Uncle survived on the ground and another was a tail gunner in a B-25. I just love how the Brits try and rewrite history.
 
I wonder how Russian history books handle our failure to provide a real second front until 1944? I also wonder if they bit their tongues during the war needing our aid, but having to wait until we were ready.
 
I wonder how Russian history books handle our failure to provide a real second front until 1944? I also wonder if they bit their tongues during the war needing our aid, but having to wait until we were ready.

Considering the Soviets didn't launch any real offensives themselves until the summer of 1943, and wouldn't have been able to do that without U.S. and British aid, technical advisors as well as munitions, and as such were useless for the most part, should we care what they think? The whole notion that the 'Soviets won WW II' is just ludicrous on its face, but the old Soviet Cold War propaganda still serves a purpose for some I guess. The U.S. fought on three fronts, as did the Brits; Stalin only had one to worry about and couldn't do squat by himself on that one, except lose miserably and snivel until rescued. Germany went on the defensive around Feb. of '43, months before Stalin's first offensive.

Considering the British and U.S. bombing campaigns forced Germany to strip almost the entire eastern front of aircraft and anti-aircraft guns and concede almost total air superiority to the Soviets, they didn't do all that great, just threw human waves at Germans until the Germans ran out of ammo. Big deal.
 
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I wonder how Russian history books handle our failure to provide a real second front until 1944? I also wonder if they bit their tongues during the war needing our aid, but having to wait until we were ready.
That “failure” is Russian propaganda. The Brits opened a second Front in North Africa in June, 1940, a full year before Germany invaded its ally the USSR. The Anglo-Americans opened a third front with Operation Torch in November 1942. The Anglo-Americans opened a fourth front in June 1943 when they invaded Sicily eight months later. The Anglo-Americans opened a fifth front by invading the Italian mainland in September 1943. A sixth front in Normandy in June 1944 and finally a seventh front in Southern France in August 1944. All but the first were over-water invasions that the USSR was utterly incapable of doing. The USSR had to borrow enough landing craft from the USN for its tiny invasion of Sakhalin Island.
The WAllies made Germany pull millions of troops away from the Eastern Front to either directly fight, or garrison places against possible WAllied invasions ranging from Denmark and Norway to Greece and Yugoslavia. Every single one of those troops might as well have been dead as far as using them to fight the Soviets.

The WAllies soaked up the majority of the Luftwaffe, all of the Kriegsmarine, thousands of anti-aircraft guns and the millions of troops that were their crews and hundreds of million rounds of artillery ammunition. None of it could be used against the Soviets.
 
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The soviets lost (sacrificed) so many people because stalin was such a paranoid fucking idiot.
 
With out doubt. On the other hand, think of the difference had the U.S. industrial base gotten involved. It is a good thing the industry bases of Great Britain and Russia were able to cope. The token forces we offered and involved had no effect either as we were involved in the Pacific Theater and could spare none for Europe. Americas negligence for Europe was a low point in our history.
America's strategy was 'Europe first. The Pacific theater got the leftovers. You're the revisionist.
 
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With out doubt. On the other hand, think of the difference had the U.S. industrial base gotten involved. It is a good thing the industry bases of Great Britain and Russia were able to cope. The token forces we offered and involved had no effect either as we were involved in the Pacific Theater and could spare none for Europe. Americas negligence for Europe was a low point in our history. As Hemingway wrote guno, "i urinate in the milk of thy motors". Try harder, revisionist!
Token forces? HA. Neither the UK or USSR economies could have prosecuted the war without raw materials and finished products from the USA. The USA had 16,000,000 of its citizens in uniform and another 50,000,000 plus worked in DIRECTLY war-related jobs. There were 6,000,000 deadly or disabling industrial accidents between December 7th, 1941, and August 15th, 1945. The total Soviet combat losses during the entire war was 9,000,000 from all causes. So, the USA took TWO THIRDS as many casualties just in industrial accidents as the Red Army took in combat. That kind of puts the "massive" Soviet losses in a different perspective doesn't it.
 
The soviets lost (sacrificed) so many people because stalin was such a paranoid fucking idiot.
Most of the Soviet losses, both military and civilian were wastage directly caused by governmental ineptitude. For instance, the Soviets could easily have evacuated all the civilians of Leningrad over Lake Ladoga the first winter weeks after the siege began. Instead, the government required many of the citizens to stay for the full 872 days of the siege. Between the civilians evacuated and those left behind, there were nearly 2,000,000 dead from starvation and exposure plus 750,000 Red Army troops killed. The siege of Leningrad is said to be the costliest siege in history.
 
The Red Army
is wrong term. we´d use the traditional mongol term - RED HORDE ! PS AND YES, USA WON THE WW2 AND COLD WAR . MOSCOW SUCKS AT WAR

THE rED horde of rapist , looters, Asiatic barbarians
Germany:




Poland :








WHY A MONGOL TERM ?

 


"Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time - they rape them on a collective basis."

The Soviet armies advancing into East Prussia in January 1945, in huge, long columns, were an extraordinary mixture of modern and medieval: tank troops in padded black helmets, Cossack cavalrymen on shaggy mounts with loot strapped to the saddle, lend-lease Studebakers and Dodges towing light field guns, and then a second echelon in horse-drawn carts. The variety of character among the soldiers was almost as great as that of their military equipment. There were freebooters who drank and raped quite shamelessly, and there were idealistic, austere communists and members of the intelligentsia appalled by such behaviour.


 
More stupidity from guano. When will he realize he is full of shit?

1) Soviet casualties were so high because of the incompetence and brutality of the Communist government. Example: The Soviet Army officer corps was decimated prior to the war by Communist purges.
2) The Soviets contributed little to the defeat of Japan.
3) The Soviets were propped up by billions of dollars in aid from the U.S.
4) The Soviets were allied with Hitler for a time. Hitler and Stalin together started the war.

hitler_stalin.gif
Shithead, the Soviets crushed the million strong Kwantung Army in August 1945 in ten days. You were the ones who fought Japan prior to that, weren't you? FDR had persuaded Stalin to help him with Japan as soon as Germany was defeated, which Stalin subsequently did as he promised he would.
"Operation August Storm, the massive 1945 Soviet invasion of Manchuria, was Japan’s death blow, and brought an end to World War II."
We were propped up, we were, and are still grateful for that, but we paid it all back, in case you didn't know. Do you think you did that solely out of your innate goodness?
 
"Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time - they rape them on a collective basis."

The Soviet armies advancing into East Prussia in January 1945, in huge, long columns, were an extraordinary mixture of modern and medieval: tank troops in padded black helmets, Cossack cavalrymen on shaggy mounts with loot strapped to the saddle, lend-lease Studebakers and Dodges towing light field guns, and then a second echelon in horse-drawn carts. The variety of character among the soldiers was almost as great as that of their military equipment. There were freebooters who drank and raped quite shamelessly, and there were idealistic, austere communists and members of the intelligentsia appalled by such behaviour.


Eat some flowers, retard, or take a pill. Your jibberish is getting tiresome.
 

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