WW2 Battleship Missouri Sailor tells Obama to Shape Up or

[Lonestar_logic]

While I honor his service, let's be honest here....the America he fought for and defended would have had a cow over that black female chief standing next to him.

Just because you're racist doesn't mean an entire generation was. Speak for yourself.

Ah....that Race Card Card again. You have a full pack of those, don't you?

Who brought race into the discussion?

 

[Navy1960]

Miller described firing the machine gun during the battle, a weapon which he had not been trained to operate: "It wasn't hard. I just pulled the trigger and she worked fine. I had watched the others with these guns. I guess I fired her for about fifteen minutes. I think I got one of those Jap planes. They were diving pretty close to us."



During the attack, Japanese aircraft dropped two armored piercing bombs through the deck of the battleship and launched five 18-inch aircraft torpedoes into her port side. Heavily damaged by the ensuing explosions, and suffering from severe flooding below decks, the crew abandoned ship while West Virginia slowly settled to the harbor bottom. Of the 1,541 men on West Virginia during the attack, 130 were killed and 52 wounded. Subsequently refloated, repaired, and modernized, the battleship served in the Pacific theater through to the end of the war in August 1945.
Doris "Dorie" Miller, African American Sailor

I have had the chance to read the letter from the sailor who was on the Missouri and many responses to it. one in particular that people like him represented a different America. The reason I put Dorrie Milliers story up there is to show that the men that sacrifice like those on WW2 knew no color and that sacrifice s on who's shouders we all stand on today. so YES the America they fought for is the same America we enjoy today. The sailor that wrote the letter is MORE than qualified to express such an opinion because the nation we all enjoy today is a direct result of the sarifice that men like him and Dorrie Millier and millions of others made during WW2 and the President would do well to listen.

I knew he died later in the war but i didn't know he was assigned to the Indy.

There has been a long time effort to petetion for awarding Dorrie Miller the Medal of Honor and one in which I support. If people really want to get some idea of the way these men felt about one another ask a B-17 pilot if he cared what color one of the men of the 99th were when they were protecting his aircraft. Again, these men and women are the giants on whose shoulders we all stand and I for one am and always will be grateful for their service and sacrifice to our nation.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Just because you're racist doesn't mean an entire generation was. Speak for yourself.

She's not racist, she was making an observant and accurate observation.

Blacks and Whites could not marry each other until 1967. Blacks and Whites could not eat at the same places, drink from the same fountains together, etc during World War II. In fact, they couldn't even fight together legally until Korea.

It wasn't even until Vietnam when they truly fought together.

Prove its an accurate observation.

 

[bodecea]

Just because you're racist doesn't mean an entire generation was. Speak for yourself.

She's not racist, she was making an observant and accurate observation.

Blacks and Whites could not marry each other until 1967. Blacks and Whites could not eat at the same places, drink from the same fountains together, etc during World War II. In fact, they couldn't even fight together legally until Korea.

It wasn't even until Vietnam when they truly fought together.

And let us not forget that women were not allowed on ships til the late 70s (my class at OCS was the first to pick women for SWOS School)....but pointing that out makes me Sexist, apparently.

 

[bodecea]

Just because you're racist doesn't mean an entire generation was. Speak for yourself.

She's not racist, she was making an observant and accurate observation.

Blacks and Whites could not marry each other until 1967. Blacks and Whites could not eat at the same places, drink from the same fountains together, etc during World War II. In fact, they couldn't even fight together legally until Korea.

It wasn't even until Vietnam when they truly fought together.

Prove its an accurate observation.

The US Navy in World War II - Google Books

But, we know that you don't accept evidence anyways. You have your own little world view and facts simply get in your way.

 

[Navy1960]

USS Mason, a 1140-ton Evarts class destroyer escort, was constructed at the Boston Navy Yard, Massachusetts. She was commissioned in March 1944 with a largely African-American enlisted complement. Mason was employed on convoy escort duties in the Atlantic and Mediterranean through the remainder of World War II. In the early post-war months, she served as a training and experimental ship. Mason decommissioned in October 1945 and was sold for scrapping in March 1947.


USS PC-1264, a 280-ton PC-461 class submarine chaser, was built at Morris Heights, New York. Commissioned in April 1944, she was one of two World War II Navy ships to be given a largely African-American enlisted complement. Decommissioned following the war, she was transferred to the Maritime Commission for final disposition in March 1948

African Americans - U.S. NAVY, World War II Shipboard Service


Leonard Roy Harmon was born at Cuero, Texas, on 21 January 1917. He enlisted in the Navy in June 1939 and was assigned to USS San Francisco (CA-38) following training. During the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, 13 November 1942, while serving aboard that ship, Mess Attendant Harmon assisted in evacuating and caring for the wounded. He deliberately exposed himself to enemy gunfire while attempting to protect a shipmate and was killed in action. For his heroism, Leonard Roy Harmon was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross.

US People--HARMON, LEONARD ROY

In February 1944, the Navy commissioned its first African-American officers. This long-hoped-for action represented a major step forward in the status of African-Americans in the Navy and in American society. The twelve commissioned officers, and a warrant officer who received his rank at the same time, came to be known as the "Golden Thirteen".
WWII--GOLDEN THIRTEEN - AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND THE U.S. NAVY

In November 1944, Harriet Ida Pickens and Frances Wills graduated from the Naval Reserve Midshipmen's School (Women's Reserve) at Northampton, Massachusetts. Commissioned as WAVES officers, they were the first female African-American U.S. Navy officers.
First Female Officers - African-Americans and the U.S. Navy

I already told you about Dorrie Miller in a previous post, yes the service was segregated and jobs were limited in the Navy to African Americans but that made them not less heros and their contribution no less than that of their peers. Further, here are a few more,,,,,

Citation: For extraordinary heroism in action on 5 and 6 April 1945, near Viareggio, Italy. Then Second Lieutenant Baker demonstrated outstanding courage and leadership in destroying enemy installations, personnel and equipment during his company's attack against a strongly entrenched enemy in mountainous terrain. When his company was stopped by the concentration of fire from several machine gun emplacements, he crawled to one position and destroyed it, killing three Germans. Continuing forward, he attacked and enemy observation post and killed two occupants. With the aid of one of his men, Lieutenant Baker attacked two more machine gun nests, killing or wounding the four enemy soldiers occupying these positions. He then covered the evacuation of the wounded personnel of his company by occupying an exposed position and drawing the enemy's fire. On the following night Lieutenant Baker voluntarily led a battalion advance through enemy mine fields and heavy fire toward the division objective. Second Lieutenant Baker's fighting spirit and daring leadership were an inspiration to his men and exemplify the highest traditions of the Armed Forces.

African American Medal of Honor Recipients WW2

We owe these men and women no less a debt for their service than we do any of the millions that served along with them. While many choose to focus on the social aspects of life at the time and try to measure that next to a standard of todays social norms they discount the fact the sacrifice these people made is the very reason in which we have those standards in the first place.

 

[bodecea]

USS Mason, a 1140-ton Evarts class destroyer escort, was constructed at the Boston Navy Yard, Massachusetts. She was commissioned in March 1944 with a largely African-American enlisted complement. Mason was employed on convoy escort duties in the Atlantic and Mediterranean through the remainder of World War II. In the early post-war months, she served as a training and experimental ship. Mason decommissioned in October 1945 and was sold for scrapping in March 1947.


USS PC-1264, a 280-ton PC-461 class submarine chaser, was built at Morris Heights, New York. Commissioned in April 1944, she was one of two World War II Navy ships to be given a largely African-American enlisted complement. Decommissioned following the war, she was transferred to the Maritime Commission for final disposition in March 1948

African Americans - U.S. NAVY, World War II Shipboard Service


Leonard Roy Harmon was born at Cuero, Texas, on 21 January 1917. He enlisted in the Navy in June 1939 and was assigned to USS San Francisco (CA-38) following training. During the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, 13 November 1942, while serving aboard that ship, Mess Attendant Harmon assisted in evacuating and caring for the wounded. He deliberately exposed himself to enemy gunfire while attempting to protect a shipmate and was killed in action. For his heroism, Leonard Roy Harmon was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross.

US People--HARMON, LEONARD ROY

In February 1944, the Navy commissioned its first African-American officers. This long-hoped-for action represented a major step forward in the status of African-Americans in the Navy and in American society. The twelve commissioned officers, and a warrant officer who received his rank at the same time, came to be known as the "Golden Thirteen".
WWII--GOLDEN THIRTEEN - AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND THE U.S. NAVY

In November 1944, Harriet Ida Pickens and Frances Wills graduated from the Naval Reserve Midshipmen's School (Women's Reserve) at Northampton, Massachusetts. Commissioned as WAVES officers, they were the first female African-American U.S. Navy officers.
First Female Officers - African-Americans and the U.S. Navy

I already told you about Dorrie Miller in a previous post, yes the service was segregated and jobs were limited in the Navy to African Americans but that made them not less heros and their contribution no less than that of their peers. Further, here are a few more,,,,,

Citation: For extraordinary heroism in action on 5 and 6 April 1945, near Viareggio, Italy. Then Second Lieutenant Baker demonstrated outstanding courage and leadership in destroying enemy installations, personnel and equipment during his company's attack against a strongly entrenched enemy in mountainous terrain. When his company was stopped by the concentration of fire from several machine gun emplacements, he crawled to one position and destroyed it, killing three Germans. Continuing forward, he attacked and enemy observation post and killed two occupants. With the aid of one of his men, Lieutenant Baker attacked two more machine gun nests, killing or wounding the four enemy soldiers occupying these positions. He then covered the evacuation of the wounded personnel of his company by occupying an exposed position and drawing the enemy's fire. On the following night Lieutenant Baker voluntarily led a battalion advance through enemy mine fields and heavy fire toward the division objective. Second Lieutenant Baker's fighting spirit and daring leadership were an inspiration to his men and exemplify the highest traditions of the Armed Forces.

African American Medal of Honor Recipients WW2

We owe these men and women no less a debt for their service than we do any of the millions that served along with them. While mant choose to focus on the social aspects of life at the time and try to measure that next to a standard of toadys social norms they discount the fact the sacrifice these people made is the very reason in which we have those standards in the frist place.

Bravo.....

 

[Lonestar_logic]

She's not racist, she was making an observant and accurate observation.

Blacks and Whites could not marry each other until 1967. Blacks and Whites could not eat at the same places, drink from the same fountains together, etc during World War II. In fact, they couldn't even fight together legally until Korea.

It wasn't even until Vietnam when they truly fought together.

Prove its an accurate observation.

The US Navy in World War II - Google Books

But, we know that you don't accept evidence anyways. You have your own little world view and facts simply get in your way.

Facts? Here's a fact for you, you stated "the America he fought for and defended would have had a cow over that black female chief standing next to him." that implies that the America he fought for would have not been happy to have a black female standing next to them. Which means that you believe America circa 1939 was a racist nation. You're only making yourself look foolish by trying to spin your way out of your comment.

 

[bodecea]

I can't figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like: " We're no longer a Christian nation" " America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world," America is mean- spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.) I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

This is such a sad comment and says so much about this guy and how he seems to have lost the ability to discern reality.

 

[bodecea]

Prove its an accurate observation.

The US Navy in World War II - Google Books

But, we know that you don't accept evidence anyways. You have your own little world view and facts simply get in your way.

Facts? Here's a fact for you, you stated "the America he fought for and defended would have had a cow over that black female chief standing next to him." that implies that the America he fought for would have not been happy to have a black female standing next to them. Which means that you believe America circa 1939 was a racist nation. You're only making yourself look foolish by trying to spin your way out of your comment.

Here, let me help you by highlighting the key elements. Maybe you are unfamiliar with what a "Chief" is in the Navy and how the U.S. of the 1940s had a HUGE problem with black people in positions of authority and would have had an even HUGER problem with women in a position of authority....on a ship, no less.

I am glad to have been of service pointing out some historical aspects of the military to you.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I can't figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like: " We're no longer a Christian nation" " America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world," America is mean- spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.) I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

This is such a sad comment and says so much about this guy and how he seems to have lost the ability to discern reality.

It maybe sad, but it's the truth. Obama and his wife did say those things about America. What's even more sad is idiots like you supporting Obama.

 

[bodecea]

I can't figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like: " We're no longer a Christian nation" " America is arrogant" - (Your wife even announced to the world," America is mean- spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.) I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

This is such a sad comment and says so much about this guy and how he seems to have lost the ability to discern reality.

It maybe sad, but it's the truth. Obama and his wife did say those things about America. What's even more sad is idiots like you supporting Obama.

Prove it. And remember, they are quotes, so they must be exact words.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The US Navy in World War II - Google Books

But, we know that you don't accept evidence anyways. You have your own little world view and facts simply get in your way.

Facts? Here's a fact for you, you stated "the America he fought for and defended would have had a cow over that black female chief standing next to him." that implies that the America he fought for would have not been happy to have a black female standing next to them. Which means that you believe America circa 1939 was a racist nation. You're only making yourself look foolish by trying to spin your way out of your comment.

Here, let me help you by highlighting the key elements. Maybe you are unfamiliar with what a "Chief" is in the Navy and how the U.S. of the 1940s had a HUGE problem with black people in positions of authority and would have had an even HUGER problem with women in a position of authority....on a ship, no less.

I am glad to have been of service pointing out some historical aspects of the military to you.

Nice try, but you stated America would have a cow not that the Navy would have a cow.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

This is such a sad comment and says so much about this guy and how he seems to have lost the ability to discern reality.

It maybe sad, but it's the truth. Obama and his wife did say those things about America. What's even more sad is idiots like you supporting Obama.

Prove it. And remember, they are quotes, so they must be exact words.

Now you want to argue over semantics? Well it may be the only way you can win an argument. But I'm not going to oblige you. Whether he quoted Obama exactly isn't the issue, the issue is that Obama and his wife did say things that a lot of Americans found disparaging.

 

[bodecea]

Facts? Here's a fact for you, you stated "the America he fought for and defended would have had a cow over that black female chief standing next to him." that implies that the America he fought for would have not been happy to have a black female standing next to them. Which means that you believe America circa 1939 was a racist nation. You're only making yourself look foolish by trying to spin your way out of your comment.

Here, let me help you by highlighting the key elements. Maybe you are unfamiliar with what a "Chief" is in the Navy and how the U.S. of the 1940s had a HUGE problem with black people in positions of authority and would have had an even HUGER problem with women in a position of authority....on a ship, no less.

I am glad to have been of service pointing out some historical aspects of the military to you.

Nice try, but you stated America would have a cow not that the Navy would have a cow.

Exactly....the country is reflected in it's military forces....The America of the 1940s was still Jim Crow. The America of the 1940s still did not allow women into positions of authority.

But, you go right ahead and pretend you don't know that. It amuses me that you play dumb like that......and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that it is just playing.

 

[bodecea]

It maybe sad, but it's the truth. Obama and his wife did say those things about America. What's even more sad is idiots like you supporting Obama.

Prove it. And remember, they are quotes, so they must be exact words.

Now you want to argue over semantics? Well it may be the only way you can win an argument. But I'm not going to oblige you. Whether he quoted Obama exactly isn't the issue, the issue is that Obama and his wife did say things that a lot of Americans found disparaging.

You just said that "Obama and his wife did say those things about America."


OK, put up, Secesh Boy.

 

[rayboyusmc]

To use a man like this who has actually served his country to push the Right Wingers points who have never served anything but their self interest, is too typical of those folks.

I admire his service, I don't his use of talking points.

When I post General Smedley Butler's comments (Twice Winner of the Medal of Honor) the right seems to ignore them since they don't agree with their point of view.

All fucking hypocrisy and using the troop/s to push their own agenda.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Prove it. And remember, they are quotes, so they must be exact words.

Now you want to argue over semantics? Well it may be the only way you can win an argument. But I'm not going to oblige you. Whether he quoted Obama exactly isn't the issue, the issue is that Obama and his wife did say things that a lot of Americans found disparaging.

You just said that "Obama and his wife did say those things about America."


OK, put up, Secesh Boy.

Yes I did and they did. Are you saying he didn't say any of those things? He never said "America's shown arrogance"? He never said that America "wasn't just a Christian nation"? That Michelle never said America was "just downright mean"? If that's what your saying then you've been living under a rock for the past year and a half.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

To use a man like this who has actually served his country to push the Right Wingers points who have never served anything but their self interest, is too typical of those folks.

I admire his service, I don't his use of talking points.

When I post General Smedley Butler's comments (Twice Winner of the Medal of Honor) the right seems to ignore them since they don't agree with their point of view.

All fucking hypocrisy and using the troop/s to push their own agenda.

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

 

[bodecea]

Now you want to argue over semantics? Well it may be the only way you can win an argument. But I'm not going to oblige you. Whether he quoted Obama exactly isn't the issue, the issue is that Obama and his wife did say things that a lot of Americans found disparaging.

You just said that "Obama and his wife did say those things about America."


OK, put up, Secesh Boy.

Yes I did and they did.

Then, prove it. Give us the quotes.

Are you saying he didn't say any of those things? He never said "America's shown arrogance"? He never said that America "wasn't just a Christian nation"? That Michelle never said America was "just downright mean"? If that's what your saying then you've been living under a rock for the past year and a half.

Prove it. Give us the quotes.