Wow: Daughter of two moms boldly speaks out AGAINST gay marriage

[koshergrl]

then why bother with marriage at all? just let everyone screw everyone, no limits, no rules. just one big screwfest.

Because the Christians took over.

nope, Christians, Jews, Muslims, hindus, shintos, wickens, druids, All religions support and condone man/woman marriage as the best way for humans to live and reproduce.

First off, it's Wiccans. Second off, you're flat wrong. You're talking out of your ass. In Paganism in general, there is no objection to homosexuality in any way. In Wicca, the Charge of the Goddess says:

Let my worship be within the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals. Therefore, let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility, mirth and reverence within you.

Secondly, who says that our laws are supposed to dictate to other people how to live and reproduce? You decide that for yourself. I'll decide it for myself. It's called freedom. It's a really cool concept that our country kinda prides itself on. Maybe you'd like some place where the government forces itself on people's decision on how to live and reproduce. I hear ISIS is looking for a few stupid men.

Well the pagan stance on homosexuality was rather arbitrary. And let's not forget, they also approved bestiality, pedophilia, and human sacrifice. So if you're holding them up as arbiters of a good healthy lifestyle, you're sadly mistaken.

 

[SwimExpert]

Well the pagan stance on homosexuality was rather arbitrary. And let's not forget, they also approved bestiality, pedophilia, and human sacrifice.

Are you seriously saying something this stupid?

Wait....it's KG. Yes, you really are that stupid.

 

[emilynghiem]

then why bother with marriage at all? just let everyone screw everyone, no limits, no rules. just one big screwfest.

Because the Christians took over.

nope, Christians, Jews, Muslims, hindus, shintos, wickens, druids, All religions support and condone man/woman marriage as the best way for humans to live and reproduce.

First off, it's Wiccans. Second off, you're flat wrong. You're talking out of your ass. In Paganism in general, there is no objection to homosexuality in any way. In Wicca, the Charge of the Goddess says:

Let my worship be within the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals. Therefore, let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility, mirth and reverence within you.

Secondly, who says that our laws are supposed to dictate to other people how to live and reproduce? You decide that for yourself. I'll decide it for myself. It's called freedom. It's a really cool concept that our country kinda prides itself on. Maybe you'd like some place where the government forces itself on people's decision on how to live and reproduce. I hear ISIS is looking for a few stupid men.

Well the pagan stance on homosexuality was rather arbitrary. And let's not forget, they also approved bestiality, pedophilia, and human sacrifice. So if you're holding them up as arbiters of a good healthy lifestyle, you're sadly mistaken.

Dear koshergrl
Why can't we take the best approaches from these systems
and use both, why this "either/or" businesses of pitting one against the other?

For example, if the pagan/naturalistic approach is NONjudgment, but equal and open INCLUSION of all people and ways as POSSIBILITIES that are NOT to be excluded -- isn't that the same as the opening step of the Scientific Method where you don't assume judgment and exclude or impose certain decisions, assumptions or conclusions in advance?
Isn't that a GOOD thing to be completely open and neutral, when this is used properly
(I AGREE with you not to "stop there" and let ANYTHING be true or go on and don't filter out or make any judgments
at all; I'm just saying it's okay to start at neutral and be perfectly open to any and all ways that might be proposed or possible)

Then the other ways involve filtering out and CHOOSING some ways over others.
So this is something everyone does, to avoid acting on harmful or conflicting/problematic choices.

Why can't we have both, and quit judging people for being open and forgiving of some POSSIBLE
choices while deciding which options to reject, object or dissent to AFTERWARDS.

As long as people don't IMPOSE their issues or preferences on others, that's what bothers others.

The cases that get conflicting are when the impact of decisions DOES AFFECT other people such as
* thinking you can control your drug or alcohol useage, but then endangering your children or harming others by driving drunk or buying drugs from people who use the money to harm others or support crime such as through forcing others into prostitution to pay for drug habits
* not believing in dangers of marijuana, or not believing in spiritual healing to cure addictions,
but SPREADING misperceptions and misinformation that cause OTHERS to make bad decisions based on your bias
* believing "ALL cases" of homosexuality/transgender orientation are unnatural, mental disorders, and need to change BEFORE such people can be healthy and mentally/legally competent to effect public policy vs. believing "ALL cases" are natural and none are mental issues and none should or and be changed so that laws are REQUIRED to protect such people

When beliefs start affecting the health, financial and legal impact and responsibilities, and policies of other people, that is crossing the line between one's personal beliefs and perceptions, and the public policy and social impact on OTHER people.

 

[Correll]

Daughter of Two Moms Comes Out Against Gay Marriage

As she grew up with her loving mom and stepmom, Barwick writes, her family taught her “how to be brave,” have “empathy,” “how to listen,” and “how to stand up for myself, even if that means I stand alone.” And for a while — into her 20s — that meant being an advocate for gay marriage. But now she’s had a change of heart.

“Same-sex marriage and parenting withholds either a mother or father from a child while telling him or her that it doesn’t matter. That it’s all the same. But it’s not,” she writes. “A lot of us, a lot of your kids, are hurting. My father’s absence created a huge hole in me, and I ached every day for a dad. I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.”

But while her argument is heartfelt, note some gay-parenting supporters, it’s also full of holes.

“There’s nothing wrong with her sharing her experience — it’s an important conversation, and one that we have, and should have, all the time,” Gabriel Blau, executive director of the Family Equality Council, tells Yahoo Parenting. “But denying a huge swath of American citizens our civil rights is not an answer.”

I feel bad for her mother. No doubt she made sacrifices being a single parent. She stood by her child and did her best. And her daughter berates good mother's that give their children the best and places her father's companionship above a step parent that took up the mantel he was too much of a dead beat to carry himself.

She seems like she is angry with the world and not the only person she should be angry with.

What a way to honor her mother.

Her mother married a man, had a child and then broke up the family.

The only information that we have on the father comes from his ex-wife, though her daughter, who was 2 and 3 at the time in question.

You are fabricating information. You don't know that it was the mother that broke up the family.

Also if I had a child I'd do everything in my power to see that child. If I couldn't while she was a youth, I Damn sure would when she was an adult. Didn't seem like that happened.

Her mother stayed with her, her father ran away. The father is the dirt bag in this story. The mother made sacrifices for her child.

Where I think she is justified feeling that she was slighted for not having her father in her life, it's her father's fault.

I'm sorry she comes of as an angry little child blaming the parent that did by her.

From the article,

"In her essay, she explains that when she was 2 or 3, her mother, who already knew that she was gay, left Barwick’s father to have a relationship with a woman."


The lesbian mommy married some poor guy, got the child she wanted, then booted him to the curb.

THe mother "sacrificed" the child's family so that she could have what she wanted, not what anyone else wanted.

It's still her father's fault for not being around

We have no information to that effect.

YOu are just reflexively assuming the man is the bad guy.

For all we know the mother did not let the father come around.

A 2 or 3 year old in not in a position to know what is going on between her parents. She knows nothing about what happened other than what her mother told her.

I do not consider ex-spouses to be reliable sources.

 

[Correll]

I'm shocked. Most lesbians I know have been with many men.

Why do I ask the question? Isn't it obvious?

You claim that lesbians don't want dick, yet you admit to having sex with a man, and I'm sure you know that most lesbians have done so more than once, a lot more.

Yes they have...and yet they gave it up. Most lesbians have been with men because social constructs require us too. I dated guys in High School...not because I wanted to, I would have much preferred to be able to be open, but because I had to. Also, gays in general are more willing to embrace their sexual fluidity than straights...again because of those social constructs.

Chickenfish's premise was that all lesbians are ugly and want dick but can't get it. You claimed don't believe that and yet you're defending his premise and asking if I've had sex with men.

I was with my first woman in 1983...tried a guy in 84, stuck with chicks since then. I'm now married with children and faithful to my wife of 20 years. We have sex frequently...no dicks needed.

I used to believe that when lesbians told me that. But I've seen to many of them change their minds.

Hell, one I knew in college ended up married to a man and had 4(?) kids.

Ask me how many men I have been with.

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

So you actually do prescribe to Chickenfish's bullshit notion, that lesbians are just ugly and really want dick all because you knew one person this one time that had sex with women in college?

No, you were the one that said that lesbians have no interest in dick. "No", thus you are the one that is making absolute statements about all the members of a group.

I specifically mentioned that I have seen gays, plural change back and forth.

The one I mentioned as an example, I mentioned by she was good for spouting lesbian talking points like you are doing.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes they have...and yet they gave it up. Most lesbians have been with men because social constructs require us too. I dated guys in High School...not because I wanted to, I would have much preferred to be able to be open, but because I had to. Also, gays in general are more willing to embrace their sexual fluidity than straights...again because of those social constructs.

Chickenfish's premise was that all lesbians are ugly and want dick but can't get it. You claimed don't believe that and yet you're defending his premise and asking if I've had sex with men.

I was with my first woman in 1983...tried a guy in 84, stuck with chicks since then. I'm now married with children and faithful to my wife of 20 years. We have sex frequently...no dicks needed.

I used to believe that when lesbians told me that. But I've seen to many of them change their minds.

Hell, one I knew in college ended up married to a man and had 4(?) kids.

Ask me how many men I have been with.

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

So you actually do prescribe to Chickenfish's bullshit notion, that lesbians are just ugly and really want dick all because you knew one person this one time that had sex with women in college?

No, you were the one that said that lesbians have no interest in dick. "No", thus you are the one that is making absolute statements about all the members of a group.

I specifically mentioned that I have seen gays, plural change back and forth.

The one I mentioned as an example, I mentioned by she was good for spouting lesbian talking points like you are doing.

B-I-S-E-X-U-A-L, sexual fluidity.

Lesbians STILL don't want chickenfich's dick.

 

[Correll]

I'm shocked. Most lesbians I know have been with many men.

Why do I ask the question? Isn't it obvious?

You claim that lesbians don't want dick, yet you admit to having sex with a man, and I'm sure you know that most lesbians have done so more than once, a lot more.

Yes they have...and yet they gave it up. Most lesbians have been with men because social constructs require us too. I dated guys in High School...not because I wanted to, I would have much preferred to be able to be open, but because I had to. Also, gays in general are more willing to embrace their sexual fluidity than straights...again because of those social constructs.

Chickenfish's premise was that all lesbians are ugly and want dick but can't get it. You claimed don't believe that and yet you're defending his premise and asking if I've had sex with men.

I was with my first woman in 1983...tried a guy in 84, stuck with chicks since then. I'm now married with children and faithful to my wife of 20 years. We have sex frequently...no dicks needed.

I used to believe that when lesbians told me that. But I've seen to many of them change their minds.

Hell, one I knew in college ended up married to a man and had 4(?) kids.

Ask me how many men I have been with.

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

Have you ever heard of a bisexual?

Mnay of the "gays" I have observed, they didn't self identify as Bi. They were "gay".

Then they weren't.

And often, they had to edit history to fit their new found sexuality.


I'm not completely sure what that was all about.

But I know what it was not.

They were not born gay. They did not suffer through their sexual relations with members of the opposite sex. Their previous relationships were not the fakes they suffered though due to social pressure.

 

[bendog]

I wish these gays and lesbians could figure which way they swing. It bothers me and I keep thinking about it.

 

[Correll]

Daughter of Two Moms Comes Out Against Gay Marriage

As she grew up with her loving mom and stepmom, Barwick writes, her family taught her “how to be brave,” have “empathy,” “how to listen,” and “how to stand up for myself, even if that means I stand alone.” And for a while — into her 20s — that meant being an advocate for gay marriage. But now she’s had a change of heart.

“Same-sex marriage and parenting withholds either a mother or father from a child while telling him or her that it doesn’t matter. That it’s all the same. But it’s not,” she writes. “A lot of us, a lot of your kids, are hurting. My father’s absence created a huge hole in me, and I ached every day for a dad. I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.”

But while her argument is heartfelt, note some gay-parenting supporters, it’s also full of holes.

“There’s nothing wrong with her sharing her experience — it’s an important conversation, and one that we have, and should have, all the time,” Gabriel Blau, executive director of the Family Equality Council, tells Yahoo Parenting. “But denying a huge swath of American citizens our civil rights is not an answer.”

I feel bad for her mother. No doubt she made sacrifices being a single parent. She stood by her child and did her best. And her daughter berates good mother's that give their children the best and places her father's companionship above a step parent that took up the mantel he was too much of a dead beat to carry himself.

She seems like she is angry with the world and not the only person she should be angry with.

What a way to honor her mother.

Her mother married a man, had a child and then broke up the family.

The only information that we have on the father comes from his ex-wife, though her daughter, who was 2 and 3 at the time in question.

You are fabricating information. You don't know that it was the mother that broke up the family.

Also if I had a child I'd do everything in my power to see that child. If I couldn't while she was a youth, I Damn sure would when she was an adult. Didn't seem like that happened.

Her mother stayed with her, her father ran away. The father is the dirt bag in this story. The mother made sacrifices for her child.

Where I think she is justified feeling that she was slighted for not having her father in her life, it's her father's fault.

I'm sorry she comes of as an angry little child blaming the parent that did by her.

From the article,

"In her essay, she explains that when she was 2 or 3, her mother, who already knew that she was gay, left Barwick’s father to have a relationship with a woman."


The lesbian mommy married some poor guy, got the child she wanted, then booted him to the curb.

THe mother "sacrificed" the child's family so that she could have what she wanted, not what anyone else wanted.

Thus we see that it isn't good for gay people to try to live a hetero lie. It doesn't work. But that "poor guy" abandoned his daughter.

Wait. What just happened to "bi-sexual?

Was this mom really fighting to keep her lunch down while she dated her husband, and they had sex for who knows how long?

Was she really a good enough liar that she was completely unattracted to him, but convinced him otherwise?

Or was she bi, and actually did love him, or at least liked, him, enjoyed the sex, over and over again, and then just decided to break up her family, not because it was the only way for her to find fulfillment, but just because she wanted to.

u
Either way, this woman does not deserve the pass you libs want to give her.

And as I keep pointing out, we have no evidence that the guy was not there on his own choice.

It is just as likely that the mom denied him his time with his daughter.

Want to take bets on whether she sued for child support?

 

[Correll]

Her mother married a man, had a child and then broke up the family.

The only information that we have on the father comes from his ex-wife, though her daughter, who was 2 and 3 at the time in question.

You are fabricating information. You don't know that it was the mother that broke up the family.

Also if I had a child I'd do everything in my power to see that child. If I couldn't while she was a youth, I Damn sure would when she was an adult. Didn't seem like that happened.

Her mother stayed with her, her father ran away. The father is the dirt bag in this story. The mother made sacrifices for her child.

Where I think she is justified feeling that she was slighted for not having her father in her life, it's her father's fault.

I'm sorry she comes of as an angry little child blaming the parent that did by her.

From the article,

"In her essay, she explains that when she was 2 or 3, her mother, who already knew that she was gay, left Barwick’s father to have a relationship with a woman."


The lesbian mommy married some poor guy, got the child she wanted, then booted him to the curb.

THe mother "sacrificed" the child's family so that she could have what she wanted, not what anyone else wanted.

It's still her father's fault for not being around

No. It's her mother's fault that they divorced, and we have NO information, except what came from the mother on why the dad isn't around.

Or do you think a 3 year old is in a position to judge what is going on in the divorce?

Yes, it is the mother's fault that they divorced. She wasn't in love with him. Happens in heterosexual relationships all the time, often with the man cheating on his wife and leaving her for another woman...and yet those kids aren't trying to take away the right of heterosexual parents to marry.

Do you think she should have stayed in her loveless marriage?

If she was bi, then how do you know it was a loveless marriage?

 

[Correll]

I used to believe that when lesbians told me that. But I've seen to many of them change their minds.

Hell, one I knew in college ended up married to a man and had 4(?) kids.

Ask me how many men I have been with.

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

So you actually do prescribe to Chickenfish's bullshit notion, that lesbians are just ugly and really want dick all because you knew one person this one time that had sex with women in college?

No, you were the one that said that lesbians have no interest in dick. "No", thus you are the one that is making absolute statements about all the members of a group.

I specifically mentioned that I have seen gays, plural change back and forth.

The one I mentioned as an example, I mentioned by she was good for spouting lesbian talking points like you are doing.

B-I-S-E-X-U-A-L, sexual fluidity.

Lesbians STILL don't want chickenfich's dick.

If their sexuality is so fluid, than you don't know that. For all you know, there could be plenty of "lesbians" who want Seafish.

Ever hear of Hate *******?

 

[Seawytch]

Yes they have...and yet they gave it up. Most lesbians have been with men because social constructs require us too. I dated guys in High School...not because I wanted to, I would have much preferred to be able to be open, but because I had to. Also, gays in general are more willing to embrace their sexual fluidity than straights...again because of those social constructs.

Chickenfish's premise was that all lesbians are ugly and want dick but can't get it. You claimed don't believe that and yet you're defending his premise and asking if I've had sex with men.

I was with my first woman in 1983...tried a guy in 84, stuck with chicks since then. I'm now married with children and faithful to my wife of 20 years. We have sex frequently...no dicks needed.

I used to believe that when lesbians told me that. But I've seen to many of them change their minds.

Hell, one I knew in college ended up married to a man and had 4(?) kids.

Ask me how many men I have been with.

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

Have you ever heard of a bisexual?

Mnay of the "gays" I have observed, they didn't self identify as Bi. They were "gay".

Then they weren't.

And often, they had to edit history to fit their new found sexuality.


I'm not completely sure what that was all about.

But I know what it was not.

They were not born gay. They did not suffer through their sexual relations with members of the opposite sex. Their previous relationships were not the fakes they suffered though due to social pressure.

They were born bisexual.

 

[Seawytch]

You are fabricating information. You don't know that it was the mother that broke up the family.

Also if I had a child I'd do everything in my power to see that child. If I couldn't while she was a youth, I Damn sure would when she was an adult. Didn't seem like that happened.

Her mother stayed with her, her father ran away. The father is the dirt bag in this story. The mother made sacrifices for her child.

Where I think she is justified feeling that she was slighted for not having her father in her life, it's her father's fault.

I'm sorry she comes of as an angry little child blaming the parent that did by her.

From the article,

"In her essay, she explains that when she was 2 or 3, her mother, who already knew that she was gay, left Barwick’s father to have a relationship with a woman."


The lesbian mommy married some poor guy, got the child she wanted, then booted him to the curb.

THe mother "sacrificed" the child's family so that she could have what she wanted, not what anyone else wanted.

It's still her father's fault for not being around

No. It's her mother's fault that they divorced, and we have NO information, except what came from the mother on why the dad isn't around.

Or do you think a 3 year old is in a position to judge what is going on in the divorce?

Yes, it is the mother's fault that they divorced. She wasn't in love with him. Happens in heterosexual relationships all the time, often with the man cheating on his wife and leaving her for another woman...and yet those kids aren't trying to take away the right of heterosexual parents to marry.

Do you think she should have stayed in her loveless marriage?

If she was bi, then how do you know it was a loveless marriage?

If she wanted to be with a woman, it's a safe assumption that it would have been a loveless marriage.

You dodged this: it happens in heterosexual relationships all the time, often with the man cheating on his wife and leaving her for another woman...and yet those kids aren't trying to take away the right of heterosexual parents to marry.

 

[koshergrl]

I used to believe that when lesbians told me that. But I've seen to many of them change their minds.

Hell, one I knew in college ended up married to a man and had 4(?) kids.

Ask me how many men I have been with.

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

Have you ever heard of a bisexual?

Mnay of the "gays" I have observed, they didn't self identify as Bi. They were "gay".

Then they weren't.

And often, they had to edit history to fit their new found sexuality.


I'm not completely sure what that was all about.

But I know what it was not.

They were not born gay. They did not suffer through their sexual relations with members of the opposite sex. Their previous relationships were not the fakes they suffered though due to social pressure.

They were born bisexual.

Only after being molested.

 

[Correll]

I used to believe that when lesbians told me that. But I've seen to many of them change their minds.

Hell, one I knew in college ended up married to a man and had 4(?) kids.

Ask me how many men I have been with.

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

Have you ever heard of a bisexual?

Mnay of the "gays" I have observed, they didn't self identify as Bi. They were "gay".

Then they weren't.

And often, they had to edit history to fit their new found sexuality.


I'm not completely sure what that was all about.

But I know what it was not.

They were not born gay. They did not suffer through their sexual relations with members of the opposite sex. Their previous relationships were not the fakes they suffered though due to social pressure.

They were born bisexual.

Funny. DId you just disagree with their own self identified sexuality?

Based on their actions and behaviors?

Because at certain times, they were happy to explain how they were born "gay" and that their previous relationships, were they THOUGHT they were in love with members of the opposite sex, were...(insert long nonsense)

This woman dated, married and bred with a man.

Does she get a pass for being "gay"?

 

[bodecea]

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

Have you ever heard of a bisexual?

Mnay of the "gays" I have observed, they didn't self identify as Bi. They were "gay".

Then they weren't.

And often, they had to edit history to fit their new found sexuality.


I'm not completely sure what that was all about.

But I know what it was not.

They were not born gay. They did not suffer through their sexual relations with members of the opposite sex. Their previous relationships were not the fakes they suffered though due to social pressure.

They were born bisexual.

Only after being molested.

This thread isn't about you.

 

[Correll]

From the article,

"In her essay, she explains that when she was 2 or 3, her mother, who already knew that she was gay, left Barwick’s father to have a relationship with a woman."


The lesbian mommy married some poor guy, got the child she wanted, then booted him to the curb.

THe mother "sacrificed" the child's family so that she could have what she wanted, not what anyone else wanted.

It's still her father's fault for not being around

No. It's her mother's fault that they divorced, and we have NO information, except what came from the mother on why the dad isn't around.

Or do you think a 3 year old is in a position to judge what is going on in the divorce?

Yes, it is the mother's fault that they divorced. She wasn't in love with him. Happens in heterosexual relationships all the time, often with the man cheating on his wife and leaving her for another woman...and yet those kids aren't trying to take away the right of heterosexual parents to marry.

Do you think she should have stayed in her loveless marriage?

If she was bi, then how do you know it was a loveless marriage?

If she wanted to be with a woman, it's a safe assumption that it would have been a loveless marriage.

You dodged this: it happens in heterosexual relationships all the time, often with the man cheating on his wife and leaving her for another woman...and yet those kids aren't trying to take away the right of heterosexual parents to marry.

NOt at all. It is completely normal to be love your spouse and to be attracted to other people.

Dodged it?

SUre. Men cheat on their wives and leave them.

Do you consider them the hero of the story?

 

[bendog]

Correll, what's unusual about a man or woman having sex with opposite sex partners, and even marrying, only to decide that relationship is not what best fits their physical and psychological needs, and then "choosing" to only have sexual relations with same sex partners, sometimes even entering into a monogamous same sex relationship? People don't choose in terms of shutting on or off sexual preferences, regardless of whether they come about through nature or nurture, but people do, with experience, sometimes learn what their preferences are. And if a preference doesn't involve opposite sex partners, they are neither straight nor bi, but just gay.

And if it's not your wife or husband, who gives a Swiffer?

 

[koshergrl]

I find the idea that people have no control over their desire offensive.

People can and do modify their carnality. But they have to choose to actually do it.

The lefty thing is they don't think anyone should ever have to fly in the face of what they WANT. It's because they have zero character.

 

[Seawytch]

So ******* what? And I've known dozens of women that were married to men because that is what society demanded of them who came out later, hurting their husbands, children, parents, etc. Do you have a point? I believe that sexuality is more fluid than our puritanical roots allow us to be.

Why do I care how many men you've been with? I still can't figure out why you wanted to know how many I've been with. You apparently think being gay is a choice and gays can just "give it up anytime". That's your opinion, one not supported by facts or evidence.

Just speaking the truth, it's something I do.

You told REdfish that lesbians don't want his Dick.

Now you admit that lesbians are "fluid" with their sexuality.

And I've seen gays change back and forth "anytime". So, not sure what you want to do with that.

The one from college who ended up married with 4(?) kids? She eventually divorced him. I asked her if she ever saw herself in another relationship, would it be male or female.

She said probably male.

And back in college, she was spouting the lesbian party line, just like you are now.

Time and time again, i see their actions not match their words.

Have you ever heard of a bisexual?

Mnay of the "gays" I have observed, they didn't self identify as Bi. They were "gay".

Then they weren't.

And often, they had to edit history to fit their new found sexuality.


I'm not completely sure what that was all about.

But I know what it was not.

They were not born gay. They did not suffer through their sexual relations with members of the opposite sex. Their previous relationships were not the fakes they suffered though due to social pressure.

They were born bisexual.

Only after being molested.

Ah...so we have another theory from chubby chaser, kosher...gays had to have been molested.

You bigots need new material.